Another forced PvP Event So Soon?

L_Nici · August 2020

Every year the same. The 2 PvP Events in between the 20 PvE Event get hate by PvElers who think they own the game...

oregonrob · August 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

oregonrob wrote: »

When you have to game an event (do dailies and bank them) in order not to have to endure that event, there is a problem. Forcing people to go to Imperial City is not going to make them want to do PVP. The fact that PVP is all but dead except during these events, should be an indicator that this approach is not working.

This is not meant to be a bash PVP post. PVP needs their events like PVE does. Just stop trying to force PVE players from having to go to a PVP zone for PVE rewards. Conversely, offer PVP items and rewards only in PVP zones so that PVP players do not have to play PVE. For those who want to do both, make sure PVE and PVP events do not happen at the same time.

Gaming the system is a new one this year, due to the event tickets being tied to the dailies.

Last year, all we had to do was kill a boss in Imperial City, or finish the dungeons. Oh, the woes and lamentations from people who hated PVP but just wanted quick tickets from the Imperial City bosses!

Oh, right, no one was being forced to PVP. Not last year and not this year either.

If you don't want to PVP, run the dungeons! You'll get the same event rewards (minus double Tel Var). Don't whine when you come to a PVP-enabled zone for quick rewards and *gasp* PVP happens.

It always amazes me that a PVPer is always quick to use the whine taunt against PVEers, but have no qualms about complaining about having to do PVE. For the record, if I want the berries for the current Indrik, I have no choice but to do this PVP event in IC. As I said on another post, the loot in the IC dungeons does not interest me. I have no use for telvar stones because anything that I would want to buy using them, I can get cheaper and easier other ways. I currently have over 100,000 stones just sitting in the bank. If you want me to come to do IC events, then offer me something that I want besides event tickets. Frankly, I find Cyrodiil to be much more interesting.

PizzaCat82 · August 2020

Aside from PVP or PVE, does anyone just sigh when they hear another Imperial City event coming up? And then another costume with seige merits?

I've done everything there is to do in this zone. It's not that interesting.

VaranisArano · August 2020

oregonrob wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

oregonrob wrote: »

When you have to game an event (do dailies and bank them) in order not to have to endure that event, there is a problem. Forcing people to go to Imperial City is not going to make them want to do PVP. The fact that PVP is all but dead except during these events, should be an indicator that this approach is not working.

This is not meant to be a bash PVP post. PVP needs their events like PVE does. Just stop trying to force PVE players from having to go to a PVP zone for PVE rewards. Conversely, offer PVP items and rewards only in PVP zones so that PVP players do not have to play PVE. For those who want to do both, make sure PVE and PVP events do not happen at the same time.

Gaming the system is a new one this year, due to the event tickets being tied to the dailies.

Last year, all we had to do was kill a boss in Imperial City, or finish the dungeons. Oh, the woes and lamentations from people who hated PVP but just wanted quick tickets from the Imperial City bosses!

Oh, right, no one was being forced to PVP. Not last year and not this year either.

If you don't want to PVP, run the dungeons! You'll get the same event rewards (minus double Tel Var). Don't whine when you come to a PVP-enabled zone for quick rewards and *gasp* PVP happens.

It always amazes me that a PVPer is always quick to use the whine taunt against PVEers, but have no qualms about complaining about having to do PVE. For the record, if I want the berries for the current Indrik, I have no choice but to do this PVP event in IC. As I said on another post, the loot in the IC dungeons does not interest me. I have no use for telvar stones because anything that I would want to buy using them, I can get cheaper and easier other ways. I currently have over 100,000 stones just sitting in the bank. If you want me to come to do IC events, then offer me something that I want besides event tickets. Frankly, I find Cyrodiil to be much more interesting.

For the record, I tend to think the "We PVPers have to do loads of PVE" complaint is just as silly.

I'm like, well, YES, ZOS wants us to play ALL of the game if we want ALL of the rewards. After years of events, not to mention the recent implementation of Antiquities, this is not a mystery.

majulook · August 2020

Use this to get rapids back if you need it, should only take a hour.

I just would like the ability to have 2 setups and no cost swap between them 1 for PVE and 1 for PVP. If this was available IMHO more PVE only players would enjoy PVP as they could have setups that would work better in PVP.

VaranisArano · August 2020

majulook wrote: »

I just would like the ability to have 2 setups and no cost swap between them 1 for PVE and 1 for PVP. If this was available IMHO more PVE only players would enjoy PVP as they could have setups that would work better in PVP.

As someone who does both on the same character, yes, this would be amazing!

SeaGtGruff · August 2020

Pandorii wrote: »

Sorta unrelated but since there are so many knowledgeable people commenting on this thread, what would a person have to do to get the Indrik mount and a fancy variant of it while starting from scratch?

Edit: found a guide on the mount. It takes 40 tickets to make the mount and 40 to evolve. How many tickets will be available from this event? 12 days x 3? 36. So just sort of being able to get the base mount. Lame.

@Pandorii, you can get 39 tickets in the event due to the fact that the event begins and ends at 10 AM EDT, but daily rollover for daily jobs and earning tickets is at 2 AM EDT, so if you're able to squeeze in some play between 10 AM EDT and 2 AM EDT on the first day, and then between 2 AM EDT and 10 AM EDT on the last day, you'll be able to get 13 days of tickets.

This can either be easy or difficult to do, depending on your time zone-- especially on the last day, because often they schedule server maintenance to begin at 4 AM EDT, meaning you might only get to play from 2 AM EDT to 4 AM EDT, and then (if maintenance ends on time) from 8 AM EDT to 10 AM EDT.

Anyway, if you're able to earn 39 tickets in the event, you can buy 1 more from the Crown Store to get that 40th ticket, enough to buy all 4 feathers and summon a Nascent Indrik.

tmbrinks · August 2020

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

Sorta unrelated but since there are so many knowledgeable people commenting on this thread, what would a person have to do to get the Indrik mount and a fancy variant of it while starting from scratch?

Edit: found a guide on the mount. It takes 40 tickets to make the mount and 40 to evolve. How many tickets will be available from this event? 12 days x 3? 36. So just sort of being able to get the base mount. Lame.

@Pandorii, you can get 39 tickets in the event due to the fact that the event begins and ends at 10 AM EDT, but daily rollover for daily jobs and earning tickets is at 2 AM EDT, so if you're able to squeeze in some play between 10 AM EDT and 2 AM EDT on the first day, and then between 2 AM EDT and 10 AM EDT on the last day, you'll be able to get 13 days of tickets.

This can either be easy or difficult to do, depending on your time zone-- especially on the last day, because often they schedule server maintenance to begin at 4 AM EDT, meaning you might only get to play from 2 AM EDT to 4 AM EDT, and then (if maintenance ends on time) from 8 AM EDT to 10 AM EDT.

Anyway, if you're able to earn 39 tickets in the event, you can buy 1 more from the Crown Store to get that 40th ticket, enough to buy all 4 feathers and summon a Nascent Indrik.

Also, Indriks are designed to be multiple event goals. It's not a one event and done thing. They're done over the entire quarter's worth of events.

PizzaCat82 · August 2020

majulook wrote: »

Use this to get rapids back if you need it, should only take a hour.

I just would like the ability to have 2 setups and no cost swap between them 1 for PVE and 1 for PVP. If this was available IMHO more PVE only players would enjoy PVP as they could have setups that would work better in PVP.

Its probably 2x harder to farm AP in IC than in Cyro.

Pandorii · August 2020

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

Sorta unrelated but since there are so many knowledgeable people commenting on this thread, what would a person have to do to get the Indrik mount and a fancy variant of it while starting from scratch?

Edit: found a guide on the mount. It takes 40 tickets to make the mount and 40 to evolve. How many tickets will be available from this event? 12 days x 3? 36. So just sort of being able to get the base mount. Lame.

@Pandorii, you can get 39 tickets in the event due to the fact that the event begins and ends at 10 AM EDT, but daily rollover for daily jobs and earning tickets is at 2 AM EDT, so if you're able to squeeze in some play between 10 AM EDT and 2 AM EDT on the first day, and then between 2 AM EDT and 10 AM EDT on the last day, you'll be able to get 13 days of tickets.

This can either be easy or difficult to do, depending on your time zone-- especially on the last day, because often they schedule server maintenance to begin at 4 AM EDT, meaning you might only get to play from 2 AM EDT to 4 AM EDT, and then (if maintenance ends on time) from 8 AM EDT to 10 AM EDT.

Anyway, if you're able to earn 39 tickets in the event, you can buy 1 more from the Crown Store to get that 40th ticket, enough to buy all 4 feathers and summon a Nascent Indrik.

This is super helpful advice! I am planning on having some of the dailies done before the event starts (as others suggested in the thread). I think this might help being able to get the 3 extra tickets on time to get all 39 in the event (hoping none of them bug out).

FlopsyPrince · August 2020

Pandorii wrote: »

Sorta unrelated but since there are so many knowledgeable people commenting on this thread, what would a person have to do to get the Indrik mount and a fancy variant of it while starting from scratch?

Edit: found a guide on the mount. It takes 40 tickets to make the mount and 40 to evolve. How many tickets will be available from this event? 12 days x 3? 36. So just sort of being able to get the base mount. Lame.

Aim at the berries (not the advanced tickets I said initially) first, especially if you like the mount. They go away when the next one comes. The base mount has always been there and can fill in the gaps once you have gotten the advanced tickets available each time.

FlopsyPrince · August 2020

Something that seems to have been missed from my OP was the fact that we just had a PvP event. IC is a horrid place to limit it to, but coming so close to the previous one is more of the problem than the existence of the PvP event.

Though having gankers win the day is quite annoying here, but that is a different issue. I am not sure how you stop that even though it makes the event suck for PvE players.

Hapexamendios · August 2020

It isn't forced by any means. Everything with event tickets is optional.

Take the quest in the Arena district if you're AD. You can shoot the Daedra guarding the prisoners from the tower to free the citizens. You'll have to wait for them to respawn a few times, but you won't have to fight another player either.

Sylvermynx · August 2020

@Pandorii -

Ignore the "advanced tickets" remark. The best thing to do is get the berries. So far, the feathers have been available in ALL events. Berries for a particular indrik are only available for a limited time (usually four berries in a quarter). And don't count on all of everything being available during New Life - yeah, it was last year, but who knows about this year....

VaranisArano · August 2020

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Something that seems to have been missed from my OP was the fact that we just had a PvP event. IC is a horrid place to limit it to, but coming so close to the previous one is more of the problem than the existence of the PvP event.

Yes, it's close. Well, kind of? Not really? Midyear Mayhem was from June 25-July 7. That's almost two months ago. We also had Summerset in between.

However, last year's Imperial City Event was also at the start of September. And it would have followed closeish on the heels of a Midyear Mayhem in July if ZOS had not cancelled it due to their failure to fix the Battleground queue.

2018 also saw the two events in very short succession, with MYM coming July 26-Aug 6 and IC running at the beginning of September again. Orsinium ran concurrently with the end of MYM that year.

So if it's a problem, take it up with ZOS' schedule. Having Midyear Mayhem somewhere in June/July/August and then Imperial City in September seems to be normal state of affairs. I suppose we could push it into October, but then we've got a MYM in January, plus the triumvirate of big festivals (Witches, Undaunted, New Life) that usually happens in Q4.

And as has been stated, this event isn't just a PVP event. Unlike MYM, there is a no risk, PVE-only option: running White Gold Tower or Imperial City Prison.

Here's a thought: I think it would be a reasonable request for ZOS to do one PVP-enabled event per Quarter. That way people who want to skip that event can plan accordingly for big-ticket items like mounts and pets.
Q1: MYM
Q2: Anniversary (lots of people do PVP dailies)
Q3: MYM2
Q4: Imperial City

Thoughts?

Pandorii · August 2020

@Sylvermynx

Do we know what versions of berries will be available in this next event?

Say I want to get the base mount and only one evolution, rather than trying to "catch em all", I'd really only get the berries this time around if I like that version of the mount, right?

Then comes the next question: which one is the most beautiful?

Sylvermynx · August 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Something that seems to have been missed from my OP was the fact that we just had a PvP event. IC is a horrid place to limit it to, but coming so close to the previous one is more of the problem than the existence of the PvP event.

Yes, it's close. Well, kind of? Not really? Midyear Mayhem was from June 25-July 7. That's almost two months ago. We also had Summerset in between.

However, last year's Imperial City Event was also at the start of September. And it would have followed closeish on the heels of a Midyear Mayhem in July if ZOS had not cancelled it due to their failure to fix the Battleground queue.

2018 also saw the two events in very short succession, with MYM coming July 26-Aug 6 and IC running at the beginning of September again. Orsinium ran concurrently with the end of MYM that year.

So if it's a problem, take it up with ZOS' schedule. Having Midyear Mayhem somewhere in June/July/August and then Imperial City in September seems to be normal state of affairs. I suppose we could push it into October, but then we've got a MYM in January, plus the triumvirate of big festivals (Witches, Undaunted, New Life) that usually happens in Q4.

And as has been stated, this event isn't just a PVP event. Unlike MYM, there is a no risk, PVE-only option: running White Gold Tower or Imperial City Prison.

Here's a thought: I think it would be a reasonable request for ZOS to do one PVP-enabled event per Quarter. That way people who want to skip that event can plan accordingly for big-ticket items like mounts and pets.
Q1: MYM
Q2: Anniversary (lots of people do PVP dailies)
Q3: MYM2
Q4: Imperial City

Thoughts?

I'd be fine with that, though obviously I'm not going to pvp. But still, it seems only fair.

ZaroktheImmortal · August 2020

I've already saved up enough quests on toons for imperial city so I can avoid the event except to hand in a quest each day.

lozq · August 2020

Why do so many people act like PVP and PVE are two separate games?

I spend way more time PVEing, but enjoy jumping into PVP occasionally. I'm not very good at it, which makes it MORE fun because I feel like I'm improving way faster. It's like being Level 10 and getting killed by cliffracers again - but you tweak your build, slot some different skills, approach things differently...and you start surviving for longer. And it's refreshing to use skills and gear that rarely get touched in PVE world.

I feel like a lot of people take PVP way too seriously, and make it out to be some giant troll fest of toxic players whispering death threats as they teabag your corpse. Personally I think there's a lot more potential for nastiness in PVE pugs, especially if you're doing something as egregious as learning how to tank or field testing a new build. Embrace the freedom of PVP! The freedom to die every ten minutes without letting down a group, the freedom to learn how to be a sneaky backstabber and the freedom to finally use heavy armour on a DPS build!

I also disagree with the 'forced' thing. It's event tickets for a mount, mere cosmetic frippery. I imagine most people already have a reasonable collection already. 'Forced' would be running Maelstrom/DSA for a bow to bring your DPS up to par. Or running a dungeon for a particularly good set. Or, you know, playing the game for hundreds of hours to get to CP810.

The game contains heaps of different content; if you want to unlock everything in it, you should be prepared to participate in all of it. Just as many skins and titles are locked behind difficult PVE content, some cosmetics are locked behind (not very challenging at all - this is the 'I ran in a race!' of challenge) PVP content.

Stop whinging and have some fun!

ZaroktheImmortal · August 2020

lozq wrote: »

Why do so many people act like PVP and PVE are two separate games?

I spend way more time PVEing, but enjoy jumping into PVP occasionally. I'm not very good at it, which makes it MORE fun because I feel like I'm improving way faster. It's like being Level 10 and getting killed by cliffracers again - but you tweak your build, slot some different skills, approach things differently...and you start surviving for longer. And it's refreshing to use skills and gear that rarely get touched in PVE world.

I feel like a lot of people take PVP way too seriously, and make it out to be some giant troll fest of toxic players whispering death threats as they teabag your corpse. Personally I think there's a lot more potential for nastiness in PVE pugs, especially if you're doing something as egregious as learning how to tank or field testing a new build. Embrace the freedom of PVP! The freedom to die every ten minutes without letting down a group, the freedom to learn how to be a sneaky backstabber and the freedom to finally use heavy armour on a DPS build!

I also disagree with the 'forced' thing. It's event tickets for a mount, mere cosmetic frippery. I imagine most people already have a reasonable collection already. 'Forced' would be running Maelstrom/DSA for a bow to bring your DPS up to par. Or running a dungeon for a particularly good set. Or, you know, playing the game for hundreds of hours to get to CP810.

The game contains heaps of different content; if you want to unlock everything in it, you should be prepared to participate in all of it. Just as many skins and titles are locked behind difficult PVE content, some cosmetics are locked behind (not very challenging at all - this is the 'I ran in a race!' of challenge) PVP content.

Stop whinging and have some fun!

Yeah see the second section is one of many reasons I'm not a fan of zone based pvp. That it does become a giant troll fest of toxicity that's what happened last pvp event a lot of pvp players were even admitting on forums they had every intention to target pvers. And then when they do die to pvers they hate whisper them...then it got to the point of pvpers getting sick of losing to pvers that they brought in entire zergs to attack the alliance which had the most for that server which was mostly pvers and doing entire ball zergs just to take out any pvers around and taking away all the spawn points then spawn camping to kill off any who would dare try to get into the zone.

Personally only real pvp I enjoy is battlegrounds. Zone PVP is just kind of meh for me.

Sylvermynx · August 2020

Eh, I pvp'd in WoW and RIFT. I wasn't fun (though I did "git gud" with help from guildies). I don't find pvp fun at all. I'm not ever doing it again.

*shrug* Don't like it? Sue me. I ONLY do what's fun for me in any game I play; pvp is NOT fun for me.

Nomadic_Atmoran · August 2020

Do you guys have a list of the things you want to start complain threads about? Just go down the list until its time to start from the top again?

Gythral · August 2020

The real question is will ZOS remember to open new 'campaigns' before the event kills the existing 2 this time around or will they need to relearn past events ???

HalvarIronfist · August 2020

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Yeah, we can get double Tel Var stones that others can steal when they gank us!

What a great idea!

We don't even have the Cyrodil dailies to give other chances for a daily quest.

I am sure this will make many PvP players happy as the have lots of targets. Why fix the bugs in PvP whe. You can generate lots of easy targets instead?

1. Does this mean I get to cry about every PVE event ever if every time there's a PVP event (Or even partially PVP event) it garners whining every time?

2. Seriously, do the dungeons. On normal, they're not very difficult and very forgiving if you ignore veteran mode mechs.

3.Sure, easy targets.. but with the state of PVP performance.. especially with a bolstered amount of players.. I fear the word "performance" will become a prominent issue.

FlopsyPrince · August 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Something that seems to have been missed from my OP was the fact that we just had a PvP event. IC is a horrid place to limit it to, but coming so close to the previous one is more of the problem than the existence of the PvP event.

Yes, it's close. Well, kind of? Not really? Midyear Mayhem was from June 25-July 7. That's almost two months ago. We also had Summerset in between.

However, last year's Imperial City Event was also at the start of September. And it would have followed closeish on the heels of a Midyear Mayhem in July if ZOS had not cancelled it due to their failure to fix the Battleground queue.

2018 also saw the two events in very short succession, with MYM coming July 26-Aug 6 and IC running at the beginning of September again. Orsinium ran concurrently with the end of MYM that year.

So if it's a problem, take it up with ZOS' schedule. Having Midyear Mayhem somewhere in June/July/August and then Imperial City in September seems to be normal state of affairs. I suppose we could push it into October, but then we've got a MYM in January, plus the triumvirate of big festivals (Witches, Undaunted, New Life) that usually happens in Q4.

And as has been stated, this event isn't just a PVP event. Unlike MYM, there is a no risk, PVE-only option: running White Gold Tower or Imperial City Prison.

Here's a thought: I think it would be a reasonable request for ZOS to do one PVP-enabled event per Quarter. That way people who want to skip that event can plan accordingly for big-ticket items like mounts and pets.
Q1: MYM
Q2: Anniversary (lots of people do PVP dailies)
Q3: MYM2
Q4: Imperial City

Thoughts?

It wasn't that crowded together last year, which is my point. I don't know how much I paid attention to these in 2018.

I would have no problem adding a PvP option to almost any event. I just hate being squished into IC so soon (yes 2 months is soon) after MYM.

I am still not sure how you prevent quest ganking. It only takes a few to completely ruin the zone.

FlopsyPrince · August 2020

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

2. Seriously, do the dungeons. On normal, they're not very difficult and very forgiving if you ignore veteran mode mechs.

I noted earlier that I thought these had at least one dungeon that I kept dying (on my pet sorc) in normal. I would be quite glad to learn I was wrong about that.

WhyMustItBe · August 2020

I am actually surprised and grateful that ZOS has added an ability to skip the PVP content for this PVP event and still get tickets, by simply running normal mode White Gold Tower or IC Prison.

Just run normal White Gold Tower. The place is small and fast compared to prison, and except for the flame atronach boss it is basically easy mode. With the number of vet players that will be running it for the event, you will more likely than not have plenty of DPS to ignore her mechanics and just burn her down with no trouble.

If you are worried about your own DPS, make a temporary healer build to run with. You only need to do it once per day. Just buy the style pages on a guild store.

thorwyn · August 2020

People are complaining about a PvP event.

Other people are pointing out that it is not really a PvP event since you can get the rewards via PvE as well.

People are complaining that this particular part of PvE is too difficult on normal (Well.. probably, possibly.. if it's the part of PvE they were thinking about. Not sure though).

I mean... what the..

First off, it is VERY hard to die in WGT normal if you're running with a healer that has a heal spell slotted and if you're group DPS exceeds 40k/s. Then, if you are not sure about mechanics, ask someone or look them up on the internet. There are tons of written guides out there waiting to be studied.

SamanthaCarter · August 2020

PvE players killed the game so many times

VaranisArano · August 2020

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Something that seems to have been missed from my OP was the fact that we just had a PvP event. IC is a horrid place to limit it to, but coming so close to the previous one is more of the problem than the existence of the PvP event.

Yes, it's close. Well, kind of? Not really? Midyear Mayhem was from June 25-July 7. That's almost two months ago. We also had Summerset in between.

However, last year's Imperial City Event was also at the start of September. And it would have followed closeish on the heels of a Midyear Mayhem in July if ZOS had not cancelled it due to their failure to fix the Battleground queue.

2018 also saw the two events in very short succession, with MYM coming July 26-Aug 6 and IC running at the beginning of September again. Orsinium ran concurrently with the end of MYM that year.

So if it's a problem, take it up with ZOS' schedule. Having Midyear Mayhem somewhere in June/July/August and then Imperial City in September seems to be normal state of affairs. I suppose we could push it into October, but then we've got a MYM in January, plus the triumvirate of big festivals (Witches, Undaunted, New Life) that usually happens in Q4.

And as has been stated, this event isn't just a PVP event. Unlike MYM, there is a no risk, PVE-only option: running White Gold Tower or Imperial City Prison.

Here's a thought: I think it would be a reasonable request for ZOS to do one PVP-enabled event per Quarter. That way people who want to skip that event can plan accordingly for big-ticket items like mounts and pets.
Q1: MYM
Q2: Anniversary (lots of people do PVP dailies)
Q3: MYM2
Q4: Imperial City

Thoughts?

It wasn't that crowded together last year, which is my point. I don't know how much I paid attention to these in 2018.

I would have no problem adding a PvP option to almost any event. I just hate being squished into IC so soon (yes 2 months is soon) after MYM.

I am still not sure how you prevent quest ganking. It only takes a few to completely ruin the zone.

As I stated, it only wasn't that crowded last year because the July Midyear Mayhem had to be cancelled due to the broken Battlegrounds queue and was replaced with a 2nd TG/DB event. The break was only due to ZOS' failure to fix Groupfinder. Having it be that crowded appears to be ZOS' intent.

I don't think its possible to prevent quest ganking in a zone where quest ganking is by design of the Devs. Just look at the Arena questline and the achievement for killing enemy players in the Arena. Quest ganking is a feature, not a bug in Imperial City. If that's not to someone's taste, this event does have a PVE-only option: do White Gold Tower or Imperial City Prison.