PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Where did I say pre-craftinng was an addon thing?especially if you think that precrafting is an addon only thing
I said in one of my first posts it takes me 6 hours (because I also turn in and sell things, while crafting 9 items for the week on each character)
Lets be honest here. How does the lazy writ addons NOT trivialize daily writs? How does any addon that does all the work for you not make writs insanely easy to complete for multiple characters?
Did the devs want this to be the case? Did they really want it to be that simple of a thing? I thought the whole point of a MMO was to prolongue the experience so that people don't burn through the content.
because you can trivialize it WITHOUT the addon. I have explained to you how. is it as convenient? no its not. its kinda like equivalent of playing with vs without ps plus. but that doesn't mean there are no ways to do it.
and if it takes you this long becasue you are doing other things? then stop blaming writs for doing other things taking extra time.
the point is to prolong the EXPERIENCE, not the tedium.
I'm not saying that console experience needs improvement. it does. in part because this game originally was NOT designed for consoles and only ported later - it creates some issues. but... you. are STILL. shifting the blame. where. it does NOT. BELONG.
Spare me. The only reason we ever got guild searching and multi-crafting was because people like me kept complaining on the forum.
We were met with the same arguments at that time as well. Ultimately there's only one group responsible for my gameplay experience and thats the ESO Devs.
I really doubt you were met with the same arguments if you were asking for a mod to be worked into the base game. You and others are all but arguing that lazy crafter is cheating. We are telling you it is not cheating and offers no advantage to game play. If you were arguing that the features should be added to the base game there would be no serious opposition. Players on PC were right there with you on the multi-crafting and guild searching being base game. It means less add-ons to worry about for us and not being monsters we are all for console players getting the same experience (as much as possible) as we get.
PizzaCat82, they are going to defend it until their fingers bleed and say it's ok but for the add-on but heaven forbid they include the function into the base game for console players. The only people I hear that 36-54 players are the ones who do for writs on PC. Never heard of anyone on console doing it because it just takes to much time.
It's not just one add-on but the combination of severalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xnj6TGFeZ4
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thread just in the last 2 months about this
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/526626/daily-writs-get-a-job-instead-consoles-vs-pc-vs-lazy-writ-crafter/p1
kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »
It’s a Marco banning Marcos in an mmorpg would kill most add-ons and drop Quality of life though the floor.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »If you're going to argue with me on something I've made tens of millions of gold doing, I'm going to need a video. Because I'm tired of posts telling me how to craft.
I know how to craft. I have 18 crafters. I have 18 Master Crafters.
I can show you how long the PS4 loading screens take. I can show you how long the "crafting" takes when pre-crafting for the week.
But don't treat me like I don't know how to craft. I've been doing it since they had veteran levels in Wrothgar.
Also a friendly reminder that "You would be happier switching to PC" both neglects the millions of gold I've spent on crown items AND basically insinuates that PC players deserve easy crafting while console players dont.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »Fur_like_snow wrote: »Ohh you’re on console. Well you chose the wrong platform for QoL that’s for certain. Why do you care what happens on other platforms?
I'm also on PC. I have multiple accounts. No Addons though.
Lazywrit is great, but I don't see how they allow it honestly. It basically turns the daily writs into daily turn ins for free stuff.
While I'd love that on console, I just can't get over how that sort of defeats the purpose of daily writs. Aren't they supposed to be tedious?
PizzaCat82 wrote: »
I posted a link earlier to me politely asking for LWC to be added to console. The replies were NOT in agreement (4 pages)
PizzaCat82 wrote: »Lets be honest here. How does the lazy writ addons NOT trivialize daily writs? How does any addon that does all the work for you not make writs insanely easy to complete for multiple characters?
Did the devs want this to be the case? Did they really want it to be that simple of a thing? I thought the whole point of a MMO was to prolongue the experience so that people don't burn through the content.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Where did I say pre-craftinng was an addon thing?especially if you think that precrafting is an addon only thing
I said in one of my first posts it takes me 6 hours (because I also turn in and sell things, while crafting 9 items for the week on each character)
Lets be honest here. How does the lazy writ addons NOT trivialize daily writs? How does any addon that does all the work for you not make writs insanely easy to complete for multiple characters?
Did the devs want this to be the case? Did they really want it to be that simple of a thing? I thought the whole point of a MMO was to prolongue the experience so that people don't burn through the content.
because you can trivialize it WITHOUT the addon. I have explained to you how. is it as convenient? no its not. its kinda like equivalent of playing with vs without ps plus. but that doesn't mean there are no ways to do it.
and if it takes you this long becasue you are doing other things? then stop blaming writs for doing other things taking extra time.
the point is to prolong the EXPERIENCE, not the tedium.
I'm not saying that console experience needs improvement. it does. in part because this game originally was NOT designed for consoles and only ported later - it creates some issues. but... you. are STILL. shifting the blame. where. it does NOT. BELONG.
Spare me. The only reason we ever got guild searching and multi-crafting was because people like me kept complaining on the forum.
We were met with the same arguments at that time as well. Ultimately there's only one group responsible for my gameplay experience and thats the ESO Devs.
I really doubt you were met with the same arguments if you were asking for a mod to be worked into the base game. You and others are all but arguing that lazy crafter is cheating. We are telling you it is not cheating and offers no advantage to game play. If you were arguing that the features should be added to the base game there would be no serious opposition. Players on PC were right there with you on the multi-crafting and guild searching being base game. It means less add-ons to worry about for us and not being monsters we are all for console players getting the same experience (as much as possible) as we get.
I posted a link earlier to me politely asking for LWC to be added to console. The replies were NOT in agreement (4 pages)
Hallothiel wrote: »As a console player, I agree. I think it is sort of cheating, as it is a faster way to get stuff you can then use or sell. This is especially true when it gives reward boxes during event.
And I know I’ll get shouted at, but part of playing the game is having to chose what you want/need to do, and how to allocate your time. And this just feels.....wrong.
(And don’t get me started on combat help ones. Bah.)
I also know that pc players will be wibbling about how it is impossible to play without these add ons but console players seem to manage just fine........
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User interface mods are supported in the api mods uses, stuff like dressing room who let you swap gear and bars with an click. Lazy writ and trading mods also use this api.PizzaCat82 wrote: »Fur_like_snow wrote: »Why the personal vendetta against LazyWrit PizzaCat82?
No vendetta. If its ok then its ok, I'm just trying to get an idea of what is "too automated" and what is ok to have done for you.
ZOS is already ok with having all the information, including how long the cast times are, at your fingertips. Thats fine! That makes you a better player. Guild info makes guild masters better! No fees because the addon did the work and you all sold enough this week.
Makes me wonder what kind of information ZOS would not be ok being shown to the player via add-ons.
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No idea how complicated that would be to add. Railing against add-ons that obviously ZoS has no problem with is not the way to achieve your goal.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »And doesn't the guild add-on collect information on users without permission, what they sell? Or Parse, if they're in a group with a damage parse add-on?
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PizzaCat82 wrote: »If I made an addon that ran through a zone and mined every resource but required me to click a specific wayshrine that would be against the TOS, right?
PizzaCat82 wrote: »I know this poster; left a guild because of this poster.
Sounds to me like you are simply annoyed that your console account has no access to the QoL features of PC.
Trolling is a way of life for some I guess.
I don't know you.
I can be both curious as to why some addons that do the work for you are allowed, and envious that there's no plans to bring them to everyone.
I don't see how that's trolling or asking for different things.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »If I made an addon that ran through a zone and mined every resource but required me to click a specific wayshrine that would be against the TOS, right?
A little fact. The API does not permit the creation of an add-on to automate going through a zone up to each resource. This point would be more akin to an addon that moved the character to the writ boards to pick up the writs, then moved the character to the various crafting stations to craft the writs. That is something that Zos does not permit so it is incorrect to try to draw a comparison between the lazy writ crafter and botts as what seems to be the attempt in the question above.
Sorry, but lazy writ crafter is legitimate and not a bannable offense as seems to be the drive OP is making here.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »I know this poster; left a guild because of this poster.
Sounds to me like you are simply annoyed that your console account has no access to the QoL features of PC.
Trolling is a way of life for some I guess.
I don't know you.
I can be both curious as to why some addons that do the work for you are allowed, and envious that there's no plans to bring them to everyone.
I don't see how that's trolling or asking for different things.PizzaCat82 wrote: »If I made an addon that ran through a zone and mined every resource but required me to click a specific wayshrine that would be against the TOS, right?
A little fact. The API does not permit the creation of an add-on to automate going through a zone up to each resource. This point would be more akin to an addon that moved the character to the writ boards to pick up the writs, then moved the character to the various crafting stations to craft the writs. That is something that Zos does not permit so it is incorrect to try to draw a comparison between the lazy writ crafter and botts as what seems to be the attempt in the question above.
Sorry, but lazy writ crafter is legitimate and not a bannable offense as seems to be the drive OP is making here.
Thats fine. I don't know what the API allows and what the API does not allow. If ESO Devs have a hard line "If you can do it with the API then its fine" then its fine.
They should probably clarify in their terms of use but I'm sure they keep that vague to catch edge cases.
Maybe they should allow some addons via console. other games do it, and it would greatly improve the QOL of all players.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »So automation is ok as long as it requires you to still be there?
Isn't all automation against the TOS? Or is it just depending on what ZOS considers "too automated" this week?
Users are forbidden from using any unapproved third party applications, programs, scripts or any other game modifying mechanic used to change the game play experience on a ZeniMax Game, Service, forum, or other games or services provided by ZeniMax, including the distribution of said programs via ZeniMax services, sites, forums, communities, etc. This would include but is not limited to using or distributing speed hacks, aim bots, mouse controllers, spam bots, automated game play devices, etc. Third party applications are defined as any program, application or script written by an individual, company, corporation, or private party not employed by or contracted to perform services by ZeniMax.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »So automation is ok as long as it requires you to still be there?
Isn't all automation against the TOS? Or is it just depending on what ZOS considers "too automated" this week?
Users are forbidden from using any unapproved third party applications, programs, scripts or any other game modifying mechanic used to change the game play experience on a ZeniMax Game, Service, forum, or other games or services provided by ZeniMax, including the distribution of said programs via ZeniMax services, sites, forums, communities, etc. This would include but is not limited to using or distributing speed hacks, aim bots, mouse controllers, spam bots, automated game play devices, etc. Third party applications are defined as any program, application or script written by an individual, company, corporation, or private party not employed by or contracted to perform services by ZeniMax.
I believe this doesn't apply in that way because ZOS allows the use of the public API to create addons. In essence, your not running an unapproved script/program/whatever to modify the game, the game is running the script for you in a manner governed (by the API) and approved by ZOS. This only applies to unapproved stuff such as cheat engine, bot programs, ect...
PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »There is no difference between using LazyWrit, and pre-crafting all the stuff that's usually required and just keeping it in your inventory. Some people do that. I do it for some writs, just not all. It's all time-saving in the end, only in one version you pre-craft and keep your inventory loaded, and in another you use LazyWrit, but the end result is the same.
There's nothing particularly abusive about it.
The 6 - 10 hours I spend pre-crafting would beg so hard to differ on that matter.
How pre-crafting take 5 seconds for each item you can craft in bulk now without add-one so you can make say 15 daggers in the same time it take to make 1
You have no idea the time it can take on console with 18 master crafting alts. The loading screens alone add up to probably an hour. There's at least 9 "processing" times each of the 5 (ench, jewelry, blacksmith, cloth, wood) that add up each character. Even with Multi-craft it takes forever.
Not to mention the 70 or 80 inventory spaces it takes up on every character. Craft bags dont help with gear.
Even using the app the loading screens still happen if you are running more than one character. The app only works to automate the actions at one crafting station. The player then has to manually go to the next station. The only time difference that matters in the difference when you access the crafting station until the time you close it. On 18 characters it might be an extra twenty minutes?
Yes, but then we just have to get the writs, run to the stations, and turn them in each day. You can't tell me this doesn't save time over crafting for 7 days worth of daily writs.
There a video, from @ BenevolentBowd (I believe). Where he showed that if you have the inventory space (and that is an IF), pre-crafting 6 days or 9 days worth of writs is FASTER than using LWC each day.
You can't count loading screens. That is a system limitation.
And then there's Master Writ crafter addon.. oof. That's at least 30 minutes a day on them. Imagine doing them in 5 minutes just by running back and forth in your guild hall.
kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Come join us on PC. You can use it to?
I am on PC already. But I craft on both accounts. I just don't see why its not automating when it literally does the work of crafting for you.
If its ok, why is it not on Console?
I get that addons help fill gaps in the game that improve quality of life. Like the mass construction and deconstruct, and guild trader searching..
But if this automates too much, they'll never port it to consoles and those users will never get those QOL updates.
Add-ons for consoles have to make it pass Microsoft and Sony and with a game like ESO it’s not worth their time to focus it. You take the number of add-on for the game and extra computer power and server lag that adds plus the fact that ESO is far from a console selling game it’s low on the Fs given for console list
You can't just dismiss something as "oh consoles good luck have fun" especially if having it disabled on the PC would cause a huge fit.
Console players are not second class citizens. We're more like Oregon, where we get things, just a few months after you guys.
This seems like something that the devs should take a real hard look at and give it some serious thought.
I’m not saying console players are an lesser. But this is not a ZoS problem that they can fix Sony and Microsoft make their own rules and move at their own speed. It’s why PC always has more add-ons / mods and release updates on PC faster then Consoles they have to go through a second round of testing and approval on console.
To me a lot of add-one should be in the base game.
That's part of the reason I don't like addons being allowed in games. They promote developer apathy and needed features that should be in the game aren't included because they rely instead on third parties to fill the gap.
This game has a lot of that - especially when it comes to making its economy work efficiently. Though at least they did finally add a search feature. It took a few years, but I have to give them credit for that.
Hallothiel wrote: »As a console player, I agree. I think it is sort of cheating, as it is a faster way to get stuff you can then use or sell. This is especially true when it gives reward boxes during event.
And I know I’ll get shouted at, but part of playing the game is having to chose what you want/need to do, and how to allocate your time. And this just feels.....wrong.
(And don’t get me started on combat help ones. Bah.)
I also know that pc players will be wibbling about how it is impossible to play without these add ons but console players seem to manage just fine........
we are not saying its impossible. we are saying its more fun. and the reasonable ones of us - would be MORE THEN HAPPY if some or all of the functionality of lazy writ crafter was made part of base game. because having fewer addons to run and keep updated is a pretty nice.
Hallothiel wrote: »As a console player, I agree. I think it is sort of cheating, as it is a faster way to get stuff you can then use or sell. This is especially true when it gives reward boxes during event.
And I know I’ll get shouted at, but part of playing the game is having to chose what you want/need to do, and how to allocate your time. And this just feels.....wrong.
(And don’t get me started on combat help ones. Bah.)
I also know that pc players will be wibbling about how it is impossible to play without these add ons but console players seem to manage just fine........
The lazy writ crafter is no different than the add-ons that save skill and gear sets and allow us to change to them with a press of the button. They do not impact combat in any manner so they do not have any effect on competitiveness in the game.
It is really that simple and no grey area to speak of.
Hallothiel wrote: »As a console player, I agree. I think it is sort of cheating, as it is a faster way to get stuff you can then use or sell. This is especially true when it gives reward boxes during event.
And I know I’ll get shouted at, but part of playing the game is having to chose what you want/need to do, and how to allocate your time. And this just feels.....wrong.
(And don’t get me started on combat help ones. Bah.)
I also know that pc players will be wibbling about how it is impossible to play without these add ons but console players seem to manage just fine........
we are not saying its impossible. we are saying its more fun. and the reasonable ones of us - would be MORE THEN HAPPY if some or all of the functionality of lazy writ crafter was made part of base game. because having fewer addons to run and keep updated is a pretty nice.
Absolutely agree. I've been an advocate for a long time for things that are available on PC through addons (Kyoma's Global Achievements, Crafted Potions, Advanced Filters, etc) to be added to base game functionality. These are all just quality of life improvements to make playing less of a chore.
As @SidraWillowsky said, railing against addons because "if console can't have it, no one should" is just petty, childish behavior.
Kalik_Gold wrote: »The lazy writ crafter is no different than the add-ons that save skill and gear sets and allow us to change to them with a press of the button. They do not impact combat in any manner so they do not have any effect on competitiveness in the game.
It is really that simple and no grey area to speak of.
Those combat layouts of gear makes running dungeons/trials way easier. Not much console players I have known swap gear between bosses. Run what you brung thru the entire trial. I’m sure the high end guilds most likely do this though.

PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »I know this poster; left a guild because of this poster.
Sounds to me like you are simply annoyed that your console account has no access to the QoL features of PC.
Trolling is a way of life for some I guess.
I don't know you.
I can be both curious as to why some addons that do the work for you are allowed, and envious that there's no plans to bring them to everyone.
I don't see how that's trolling or asking for different things.PizzaCat82 wrote: »If I made an addon that ran through a zone and mined every resource but required me to click a specific wayshrine that would be against the TOS, right?
A little fact. The API does not permit the creation of an add-on to automate going through a zone up to each resource. This point would be more akin to an addon that moved the character to the writ boards to pick up the writs, then moved the character to the various crafting stations to craft the writs. That is something that Zos does not permit so it is incorrect to try to draw a comparison between the lazy writ crafter and botts as what seems to be the attempt in the question above.
Sorry, but lazy writ crafter is legitimate and not a bannable offense as seems to be the drive OP is making here.
Thats fine. I don't know what the API allows and what the API does not allow. If ESO Devs have a hard line "If you can do it with the API then its fine" then its fine.
They should probably clarify in their terms of use but I'm sure they keep that vague to catch edge cases.
Maybe they should allow some addons via console. other games do it, and it would greatly improve the QOL of all players.
Zos has clarified many times starting with when the API was first added to the game in early 2014, pre-launch, and every time they have made changes to the API. Every single major update has changed the API.
Further, Zos really has no reason to not permit add-ons for consoles so it would stand to reason that something else is in play such as MS or Sony not permitting them. You suggest other console games do have add-ons yet I am only aware of mods, not add-ons that can affect how the game actually plays or they are single-player games. Maybe you can name an MMORPG that has actual add-ons like what we have on PC.
edit https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/add-on-terms
So Zos has actually clarified something with a specific Addon ToU