PizzaCat82 wrote: »James-Wayne wrote: »OMG!!!!
Please stop complaining about this awesome mod and any other mod that assist the huge grind component in this game.... I could never go back to the old way that takes me forever to craft my writs!
There is nothing wrong with helping players fight the grind!
I hate the grind as much as anyone. I could be fishing, farming antiquities, doing surveys, or doing PVP.
Instead I'm spending hours a day turning in writs that takes me hours to do.
Best case scenario is that The Devs(TM) take a look at the usage of that addon, see that its pretty neccessary for crafting, and look at ways to make the process easier for everyone, not just PC users.
And quit blaming Sony or Microsoft. Just because they make it hard to update consoles doesnt mean console users should be ignored while PC players get everything at a single click.
So while we're taking the auto writ crafting & rapids, why not also take away refining more that 10 raw mats at a time, or mounts. Why not turn crafting into the time it would take to whittle a staff in real time...
I don't get the sudden resentment by both players & the devs for things that save us from the endless grid.
This "community" has devolved into such a petty bunch...
PizzaCat82 wrote: »If you're going to argue with me on something I've made tens of millions of gold doing, I'm going to need a video. Because I'm tired of posts telling me how to craft.
I know how to craft. I have 18 crafters. I have 18 Master Crafters.
I can show you how long the PS4 loading screens take. I can show you how long the "crafting" takes when pre-crafting for the week.
But don't treat me like I don't know how to craft. I've been doing it since they had veteran levels in Wrothgar.
Also a friendly reminder that "You would be happier switching to PC" both neglects the millions of gold I've spent on crown items AND basically insinuates that PC players deserve easy crafting while console players dont.
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PizzaCat82 wrote: »So while we're taking the auto writ crafting & rapids, why not also take away refining more that 10 raw mats at a time, or mounts. Why not turn crafting into the time it would take to whittle a staff in real time...
I don't get the sudden resentment by both players & the devs for things that save us from the endless grid.
This "community" has devolved into such a petty bunch...
You realize a good portion of the community does not have any of these things, right? The resentment isn't that they exist, but rather that they will never come to us on console because they go against the vision of the game.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »So while we're taking the auto writ crafting & rapids, why not also take away refining more that 10 raw mats at a time, or mounts. Why not turn crafting into the time it would take to whittle a staff in real time...
I don't get the sudden resentment by both players & the devs for things that save us from the endless grid.
This "community" has devolved into such a petty bunch...
You realize a good portion of the community does not have any of these things, right? The resentment isn't that they exist, but rather that they will never come to us on console because they go against the vision of the game.
How can they "go against the vision of the game" if it's Sony or MS that's stopping mods? Otherwise mods wouldn't be allowed on PC & the devs would have stomped on LWC by now.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »
If it was something the devs wanted to have on the base game it would have been implemented by now.
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YandereGirlfriend wrote: »I wondered about this as well the first time I heard of Lazy Writ.
The comparison to pre-crafting is not a good one, as in pre-crafting you actually have to go through the steps of making the items by hand, which necessarily takes more time and, more importantly, your direct attention. They are qualitatively different exercises for the human involved, if not the underlying steps that are executed. To argue otherwise is a slippery slope that leads ultimately to botting.
I was under the impression that Macros were actually banned, especially in the PvP context. Is this not actually the case? Is everyone free to just Macro their favorite burst combo and go nuts with their resulting much lower skill ceiling? That would certainly explain some things.
In any case, it's clear that this strikes a nerve with the folks using the add-on. Just like when your favorite set or class ability is discussed in a thread, the defensiveness is clear (I am, of course, guilty of this behavior as well). Nobody wants the things that they use to catch the gaze of Sauron's (ZOS) Eye.
Where did I say pre-craftinng was an addon thing?especially if you think that precrafting is an addon only thing
PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »So while we're taking the auto writ crafting & rapids, why not also take away refining more that 10 raw mats at a time, or mounts. Why not turn crafting into the time it would take to whittle a staff in real time...
I don't get the sudden resentment by both players & the devs for things that save us from the endless grid.
This "community" has devolved into such a petty bunch...
You realize a good portion of the community does not have any of these things, right? The resentment isn't that they exist, but rather that they will never come to us on console because they go against the vision of the game.
How can they "go against the vision of the game" if it's Sony or MS that's stopping mods? Otherwise mods wouldn't be allowed on PC & the devs would have stomped on LWC by now.
If it was something the devs wanted to have on the base game it would have been implemented by now.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »So while we're taking the auto writ crafting & rapids, why not also take away refining more that 10 raw mats at a time, or mounts. Why not turn crafting into the time it would take to whittle a staff in real time...
I don't get the sudden resentment by both players & the devs for things that save us from the endless grid.
This "community" has devolved into such a petty bunch...
You realize a good portion of the community does not have any of these things, right? The resentment isn't that they exist, but rather that they will never come to us on console because they go against the vision of the game.
How can they "go against the vision of the game" if it's Sony or MS that's stopping mods? Otherwise mods wouldn't be allowed on PC & the devs would have stomped on LWC by now.
If it was something the devs wanted to have on the base game it would have been implemented by now.
IIRC they said they want to dedicate their dev time to new game content & features & let the mods implement some of these smaller QoL features. That's why the mod system was created in the first place.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »So while we're taking the auto writ crafting & rapids, why not also take away refining more that 10 raw mats at a time, or mounts. Why not turn crafting into the time it would take to whittle a staff in real time...
I don't get the sudden resentment by both players & the devs for things that save us from the endless grid.
This "community" has devolved into such a petty bunch...
You realize a good portion of the community does not have any of these things, right? The resentment isn't that they exist, but rather that they will never come to us on console because they go against the vision of the game.
How can they "go against the vision of the game" if it's Sony or MS that's stopping mods? Otherwise mods wouldn't be allowed on PC & the devs would have stomped on LWC by now.
If it was something the devs wanted to have on the base game it would have been implemented by now.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »Where did I say pre-craftinng was an addon thing?especially if you think that precrafting is an addon only thing
I said in one of my first posts it takes me 6 hours (because I also turn in and sell things, while crafting 9 items for the week on each character)
Lets be honest here. How does the lazy writ addons NOT trivialize daily writs? How does any addon that does all the work for you not make writs insanely easy to complete for multiple characters?
Did the devs want this to be the case? Did they really want it to be that simple of a thing? I thought the whole point of a MMO was to prolongue the experience so that people don't burn through the content.
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And BTW I don't even know how people could handle daily writs on console. I'm only doing it on PC because of LWC. If we lost that, then I'd be done with this game.
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PizzaCat82 wrote: »Where did I say pre-craftinng was an addon thing?especially if you think that precrafting is an addon only thing
I said in one of my first posts it takes me 6 hours (because I also turn in and sell things, while crafting 9 items for the week on each character)
Lets be honest here. How does the lazy writ addons NOT trivialize daily writs? How does any addon that does all the work for you not make writs insanely easy to complete for multiple characters?
Did the devs want this to be the case? Did they really want it to be that simple of a thing? I thought the whole point of a MMO was to prolongue the experience so that people don't burn through the content.
because you can trivialize it WITHOUT the addon. I have explained to you how. is it as convenient? no its not. its kinda like equivalent of playing with vs without ps plus. but that doesn't mean there are no ways to do it.
and if it takes you this long becasue you are doing other things? then stop blaming writs for doing other things taking extra time.
the point is to prolong the EXPERIENCE, not the tedium.
I'm not saying that console experience needs improvement. it does. in part because this game originally was NOT designed for consoles and only ported later - it creates some issues. but... you. are STILL. shifting the blame. where. it does NOT. BELONG.
daemondamian wrote: »If what an add-on does isn't allowable according to the TOS then ZOS wouldnt allow people to use it in the game.
They are allowing players to use LWC: end of story.
Also PC players saying to console players that they would have a better experience of playing the game if they switched to PC isn't being PC elitist, it is merely a statement of a fact that a console player cant deny without ever having experienced it for themselves.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Where did I say pre-craftinng was an addon thing?especially if you think that precrafting is an addon only thing
I said in one of my first posts it takes me 6 hours (because I also turn in and sell things, while crafting 9 items for the week on each character)
Lets be honest here. How does the lazy writ addons NOT trivialize daily writs? How does any addon that does all the work for you not make writs insanely easy to complete for multiple characters?
Did the devs want this to be the case? Did they really want it to be that simple of a thing? I thought the whole point of a MMO was to prolongue the experience so that people don't burn through the content.
because you can trivialize it WITHOUT the addon. I have explained to you how. is it as convenient? no its not. its kinda like equivalent of playing with vs without ps plus. but that doesn't mean there are no ways to do it.
and if it takes you this long becasue you are doing other things? then stop blaming writs for doing other things taking extra time.
the point is to prolong the EXPERIENCE, not the tedium.
I'm not saying that console experience needs improvement. it does. in part because this game originally was NOT designed for consoles and only ported later - it creates some issues. but... you. are STILL. shifting the blame. where. it does NOT. BELONG.
Spare me. The only reason we ever got guild searching and multi-crafting was because people like me kept complaining on the forum.
We were met with the same arguments at that time as well. Ultimately there's only one group responsible for my gameplay experience and thats the ESO Devs.
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PizzaCat82 wrote: »daemondamian wrote: »If what an add-on does isn't allowable according to the TOS then ZOS wouldnt allow people to use it in the game.
They are allowing players to use LWC: end of story.
Also PC players saying to console players that they would have a better experience of playing the game if they switched to PC isn't being PC elitist, it is merely a statement of a fact that a console player cant deny without ever having experienced it for themselves.
My PC experience lacks the hundreds of real dollars I've spent on expansions and crown store items, and 18 max level alts, 3 guilds, and millions of gold.. for the console, so no, for me it would not be better.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Where did I say pre-craftinng was an addon thing?especially if you think that precrafting is an addon only thing
I said in one of my first posts it takes me 6 hours (because I also turn in and sell things, while crafting 9 items for the week on each character)
Lets be honest here. How does the lazy writ addons NOT trivialize daily writs? How does any addon that does all the work for you not make writs insanely easy to complete for multiple characters?
Did the devs want this to be the case? Did they really want it to be that simple of a thing? I thought the whole point of a MMO was to prolongue the experience so that people don't burn through the content.
because you can trivialize it WITHOUT the addon. I have explained to you how. is it as convenient? no its not. its kinda like equivalent of playing with vs without ps plus. but that doesn't mean there are no ways to do it.
and if it takes you this long becasue you are doing other things? then stop blaming writs for doing other things taking extra time.
the point is to prolong the EXPERIENCE, not the tedium.
I'm not saying that console experience needs improvement. it does. in part because this game originally was NOT designed for consoles and only ported later - it creates some issues. but... you. are STILL. shifting the blame. where. it does NOT. BELONG.
Spare me. The only reason we ever got guild searching and multi-crafting was because people like me kept complaining on the forum.
We were met with the same arguments at that time as well. Ultimately there's only one group responsible for my gameplay experience and thats the ESO Devs.
sigh. whatever makes you sleep at night.
still goes against your point that if developers wanted it in game it would already be in game. developers add features. they add them slowly. I apologize that some PC players were jerks to you. that however is NOT excuse to escalate the circle of... jerk.
Doofus.PizzaCat82 wrote: »James-Wayne wrote: »OMG!!!!
Please stop complaining about this awesome mod and any other mod that assist the huge grind component in this game.... I could never go back to the old way that takes me forever to craft my writs!
There is nothing wrong with helping players fight the grind!
I hate the grind as much as anyone. I could be fishing, farming antiquities, doing surveys, or doing PVP.
Instead I'm spending hours a day turning in writs that takes me hours to do.
Best case scenario is that The Devs(TM) take a look at the usage of that addon, see that its pretty neccessary for crafting, and look at ways to make the process easier for everyone, not just PC users.
And quit blaming Sony or Microsoft. Just because they make it hard to update consoles doesnt mean console users should be ignored while PC players get everything at a single click.
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PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Where did I say pre-craftinng was an addon thing?especially if you think that precrafting is an addon only thing
I said in one of my first posts it takes me 6 hours (because I also turn in and sell things, while crafting 9 items for the week on each character)
Lets be honest here. How does the lazy writ addons NOT trivialize daily writs? How does any addon that does all the work for you not make writs insanely easy to complete for multiple characters?
Did the devs want this to be the case? Did they really want it to be that simple of a thing? I thought the whole point of a MMO was to prolongue the experience so that people don't burn through the content.
because you can trivialize it WITHOUT the addon. I have explained to you how. is it as convenient? no its not. its kinda like equivalent of playing with vs without ps plus. but that doesn't mean there are no ways to do it.
and if it takes you this long becasue you are doing other things? then stop blaming writs for doing other things taking extra time.
the point is to prolong the EXPERIENCE, not the tedium.
I'm not saying that console experience needs improvement. it does. in part because this game originally was NOT designed for consoles and only ported later - it creates some issues. but... you. are STILL. shifting the blame. where. it does NOT. BELONG.
Spare me. The only reason we ever got guild searching and multi-crafting was because people like me kept complaining on the forum.
We were met with the same arguments at that time as well. Ultimately there's only one group responsible for my gameplay experience and thats the ESO Devs.
sigh. whatever makes you sleep at night.
still goes against your point that if developers wanted it in game it would already be in game. developers add features. they add them slowly. I apologize that some PC players were jerks to you. that however is NOT excuse to escalate the circle of... jerk.
I'm sorry I sound like a jerk, arguing on the forum tends to take that tone when its late at night. I know features take time. I know Devs aren't gods who can just click a button and implement a feature instantly.
This thread is here to bring attention to the fact that some addons reduce the tedium of crafting a great deal, and for some of us the time it takes as well.
If its okay, and not against the spirit of daily crafting writs, then why not look to include it eventually? Why not make a post and say "Hey we'll look into some crafting improvements down the line" I know thats not how ZOS works but thats why we create these threads.
I'm not looking for validation from other players. Obviously those who use it can't live without it, and those who don't wish they had it.
Is it faster to make a bunch every weekend? Yes, but it also requires a large chunk one day of the week and me having to shuffle things around on my PS+ characters to make room for all the junk crafting they have to turn in.
It would still be an improvement to have LCW. Or Master Crafter.. or Unboxer.. etc.
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PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Where did I say pre-craftinng was an addon thing?especially if you think that precrafting is an addon only thing
I said in one of my first posts it takes me 6 hours (because I also turn in and sell things, while crafting 9 items for the week on each character)
Lets be honest here. How does the lazy writ addons NOT trivialize daily writs? How does any addon that does all the work for you not make writs insanely easy to complete for multiple characters?
Did the devs want this to be the case? Did they really want it to be that simple of a thing? I thought the whole point of a MMO was to prolongue the experience so that people don't burn through the content.
because you can trivialize it WITHOUT the addon. I have explained to you how. is it as convenient? no its not. its kinda like equivalent of playing with vs without ps plus. but that doesn't mean there are no ways to do it.
and if it takes you this long becasue you are doing other things? then stop blaming writs for doing other things taking extra time.
the point is to prolong the EXPERIENCE, not the tedium.
I'm not saying that console experience needs improvement. it does. in part because this game originally was NOT designed for consoles and only ported later - it creates some issues. but... you. are STILL. shifting the blame. where. it does NOT. BELONG.
Spare me. The only reason we ever got guild searching and multi-crafting was because people like me kept complaining on the forum.
We were met with the same arguments at that time as well. Ultimately there's only one group responsible for my gameplay experience and thats the ESO Devs.
sigh. whatever makes you sleep at night.
still goes against your point that if developers wanted it in game it would already be in game. developers add features. they add them slowly. I apologize that some PC players were jerks to you. that however is NOT excuse to escalate the circle of... jerk.
I'm sorry I sound like a jerk, arguing on the forum tends to take that tone when its late at night. I know features take time. I know Devs aren't gods who can just click a button and implement a feature instantly.
This thread is here to bring attention to the fact that some addons reduce the tedium of crafting a great deal, and for some of us the time it takes as well.
If its okay, and not against the spirit of daily crafting writs, then why not look to include it eventually? Why not make a post and say "Hey we'll look into some crafting improvements down the line" I know thats not how ZOS works but thats why we create these threads.
I'm not looking for validation from other players. Obviously those who use it can't live without it, and those who don't wish they had it.
Is it faster to make a bunch every weekend? Yes, but it also requires a large chunk one day of the week and me having to shuffle things around on my PS+ characters to make room for all the junk crafting they have to turn in.
It would still be an improvement to have LCW. Or Master Crafter.. or Unboxer.. etc.
honestly? you should have lead with that instead of attacking LWC as breaking ToS, etc.
because adding features to the game that improve it for 2/3 of its population WITHOUT any detriment for anyone? can only be a GOOD thing. a POSITIVE thing. and the few that immediately lean into Schadenfreude of "should have played on pc? f them with a rusty spork, their opinion does NOT matter.
ask for features to be added, by all MEANS! don't attack those of us who have early acess so to speak for having early acess and calling it cheating. in a nutshell.
P.S. before I know about LWC (and as strange as it sounds -a LOT of people on pc play without it as well) I didn't precraft once a week. as soon as I figured out that writs repeat, every time I would craft writ items, I would craft 2 of each instead of one of each. it filled up my bags, not even going to lie, but then i didn't have to craft at all next time it comes around and because I'm only focusing on 3 items at a time, I didn't accidentally craft a wrong thing while dealing with bulk crafting. its probably not as efficient as bulk crafting, but I just found it to be less headache for me, and still faster then crafting each and every time.
PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Where did I say pre-craftinng was an addon thing?especially if you think that precrafting is an addon only thing
I said in one of my first posts it takes me 6 hours (because I also turn in and sell things, while crafting 9 items for the week on each character)
Lets be honest here. How does the lazy writ addons NOT trivialize daily writs? How does any addon that does all the work for you not make writs insanely easy to complete for multiple characters?
Did the devs want this to be the case? Did they really want it to be that simple of a thing? I thought the whole point of a MMO was to prolongue the experience so that people don't burn through the content.
because you can trivialize it WITHOUT the addon. I have explained to you how. is it as convenient? no its not. its kinda like equivalent of playing with vs without ps plus. but that doesn't mean there are no ways to do it.
and if it takes you this long becasue you are doing other things? then stop blaming writs for doing other things taking extra time.
the point is to prolong the EXPERIENCE, not the tedium.
I'm not saying that console experience needs improvement. it does. in part because this game originally was NOT designed for consoles and only ported later - it creates some issues. but... you. are STILL. shifting the blame. where. it does NOT. BELONG.
Spare me. The only reason we ever got guild searching and multi-crafting was because people like me kept complaining on the forum.
We were met with the same arguments at that time as well. Ultimately there's only one group responsible for my gameplay experience and thats the ESO Devs.