ESO Store - Please sell ingame currency to control/kill the external goldsellers invasion
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Cously✭✭✭✭✭
✭I had an arabian prince in a game called Wonderland Online, he spent more than you and I ever could in eternity, and is a *** *** *** game. Yes I'm confident these asian *** games make more than WOW. They treat their customer like crap, put in the most P2W cash shop in the world, don't update the game, the game is 2D for god's sake, and people still throw their fortunes in it.
And quote me right, I said WOW makes *** cash COMPARED to the asian cashs.
I work a lot and don't have the yatch I always wanted, *** happens. There's no balance in life, it won't have in game, even if you measure money/time, rich people will have more time anyways.2 -
Mauzi✭✭
This actually was a thought that grew in the back of my mind while reading...DukeofChutney wrote: »Dumbest thing I ever read. You are clearly a gold seller's target audience.
...yet, since the above is almost true (you obviously can buy bank/backpack space), I wonder what the point of all the thread is ?What point is there to the ESO gold anyhow? You can't buy anything with it.
The only thing to use plenty of gold that I can think of is to buy stuff from other players that they usually wouldn't share but trade with friends for other wares. Or, of course, buy boss loot gear from bot farmers - which gets us to the first point again.
People who demand ingame currency to be purchasable in a shop - no matter if the game is F2P or subscription based - clearly are what allow the game spoiling botters and gold-sellers a self-feeding double market. Firstly sell them botted ingame gold for RL money, then sell them botted gear for that ingame money. Rinse and repeat to make the cheaters rich while ruining this game - do you feel good when doing so ?
In my view, having the shop selling money will just enlargen the audience for buying illegally acquired ingame items. Which will lead to more botting of such items which is just shifting the emphasis of the double problem from gold-selling to more botting and thus is no solution at all since that would require to remove both from the game.
It'd be much more useful to track items and even individual amounts of gold back to their sources, allowing to connect them to botters and then delete them without compensation. Someone who payed RL money for something that he lost like this will surely finally think about his action and stop them - 'cause it's those buyers who are the real problem of all this !Edited by Mauzi on April 21, 2014 2:15PM0 -
Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭While you might spend a couple bucks here and there to get a little more extra cash in game, though I still think that's ridiculous, don't be so naive as to think that other people won't spend thousands so that they can be top dog in a virtual world. It happens. And it ruins games.
Case in point: I personally knew several people that shelled out between $1k and $2k in REAL CURRENCY for a stupid flower pooping "epic" bow in GW2 that didn't even increase your stats! Purely for the fap points.
There is a very real psychological disorder that causes people to NEED that ego stroke, whether it gives them any legitimate reason to or not. "I see it, I need it" post-modern consumer burnout syndrome.
Plenty of unscrupulous "capitalists" out there willing to sell them whatever worthless snake oil suits their fancy. Pick your poison, gold sellers or RMT, it is all the same, and caters to the same DISEASE of modern culture.
No and no means no!1 -
crush83✭✭✭✭And quote me right, I said WOW makes *** cash COMPARED to the asian cashs.
The only way they might possibly make more than WOW would be because the population of asia is so much greater than the rest of WOW's markets, and WOW isn't huge over there yet.
It has nothing to do with the pricing model of the game, though, you're right. Pay to win games usually make boatloads of cash upfront because players spend a ton more just to access the content that they'd get included in their subscription games.
Subscription: $15/mo. If you decide, after 6 months, you don't like the game, and you want to drop it, you've only paid a whopping $90 total.
In F2P (aka Pay-to-win) games, you'd drop $15 on a mount, $10x3 on extra inventory space, $5-10 per end-game dungeon, etc.. AKA they are getting that $90 out of you in your first month. That's precisely why they couldn't careless if you keep playing.
Yet, kids cry about subscription based games being oh so expensive. LOL. F2P will gouge you for 20x as much if you play the same time period.Edited by crush83 on April 21, 2014 2:18PM0 -
Eris✭✭✭✭I think a better solution would be to give someone the ability to right click the name in chat and a selection of report spam. Rather than the current system, this would immediately report this user as a spammer and add them to ignore.
Additionally, this selection should work that if 10 people do this to the same @username then that person is silenced in chat while the appropriate GMs investigate.
This would control gold spammers quickly and effectively. A simple rule that use of this feature for evil purposes (like silencing someone just to silence them) would get you suspended would keep this mostly for gold spammers.Side effects of reading messages on forums can cause nausea, head aches, spontaneous fits of rage, urination due to intense laughter, and sometimes the death of your monitor or other object in throwing range. If you find that you are reading forums more than 24 hours a day, please consult your nearest temporal physicist.2 -
JessieColt✭✭✭✭Oh Hell NO!!!! If purchasing gold through the ESO store were allowed, the prices on some of the very rare items would skyrocket out of the reach of the everyone else even worse than it is now because it would be far easier to get gold than by earning it.
This is a really, really bad idea.1 -
Please if there is a god, NO! Oh dear god why is this even a thread?! I didn't even read the OP to know this is just criminal and awful saw GW2 and just started rapidly shaking my head " NOOPPE!"Edited by Koltiros1005b14a_ESO on April 21, 2014 2:25PM|----Cometh' at me bro'eth.--- Aldmeri Dominion NA, Veteran,----|
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grendel1013ub17_ESOSoul ShrivenNext thing is to ask for drugs being handed out freely to everyone and allowing crimes and murder at will because the states cannot keep that under control. Or allow guns and their use - oh wait, that exists already...
Guns don't kill people, Criminals do, just like Gold does not create Gold Sellers and Botters, People buying their services do.
One way I think could stop this problem is by setting up a system that:
A: Monitors peoples Gold accumulation. If John Smith suddenly had a hundred thousand Gold increase in the matter of a second, flag that account.
B: Monitors peoples character progression. If John Smith's account suddenly receives a level 50 Rank 10 character when they had none and their highest level character was level 10, flag that account.
Start punishing people for buying these services. And when the risk out weighs the benefits, people would not risk buying services from Gold selling websites. Changing this game to have an option to buy gold with real money will turn this game into a cheap piece of crap MMO like GW2 loaded with immature kids, no thanks.
Edited by grendel1013ub17_ESO on April 21, 2014 2:28PM2 -
Good God Noooooooo!
I pay a subscription to avoid Pay for Power. That would see be go for sure as I'm still not happy about the the two tier Collectors Edition and Explorers Edition. (Essentially my sub fee should be lower to reflect this.). Yes I bought the lower one on principle.
Access by Gold sellers/farmers are entirely the fault of ZOS for *** poor security measures which they are still not addressing.
If they start selling gold, then they should make this game FTP instead with payment options at a store. A mix of the two is immoral and unfair.2 -
Rytfield✭✭✭
I read this with a Samuel L Jackson voiceUniscornScarebear wrote: »Oh hell no.
Edited by Rytfield on April 21, 2014 3:02PM2 -
I am kind of with this actually. It utterly blows my mind how many people are against this. Look. People WILL buy gold one way or another. NOTHING will stop this. Banning won't stop this, the bot spam will always be there. Diablo series is proof that this will always be current. When the AH went up a ton of bots were banned off and were never put back on the system because of the official purchase of gold. Yes you could ban the people buying the gold, but that really isn't much of a solution. The amount of people who pay for in-game purchases on any game is pretty sizable, you'd lose a lot of players this way over them being 'slightly better'.
Buying gold does not really put you ahead of anyone. If you want something you'd go and chase after it easy enough. In all honesty making an official channel may just be the only true way of killing off most of the bots.
And for all of those suggesting banning bots. That shows how little you actually understand on the matter. They can hire an entire 10 person section or even give honorable titled GMs so they can report back with these people so they can be banned, you'd still have a high ass bot count that will be a literally never ending challenge.2 -
MysticAura✭✭✭NO, just no. I personally wish that no-one even wanted to buy gold, and everyone was willing to make an effort for what they get. But as this will probably never happen, we at least shouldn't encourage it as something official.
People who work hard in rl have money to spend rl. People who work hard in the game have money to spend in game. The game shouldn't be in any way, p2w.
To the person who thought 1000 extra euros/mo made him/her the target 'snob':
While 1k extra is nice to have and could afford you some comfortable extras, it really isn't that much money and definitely wouldn't make you the target of the other posters comment. In some areas that amount of money would barely cover rent for a very small modest 2 bdrm condo. I seriously doubt you were the target.
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Cously✭✭✭✭✭
✭That's what I'm saying. Economically the game is ruined already. People duped, bought gold, shared account to be Emperor and they indeed got the Emperor in the AD side. At least would give everyone the "same" chance, but know there's no way they can balance it, there is no balance! Whilst help ban the gold spammers, what about the buyers? Because those people kept the gold that AHA! They bought! Tell me how is it balanced right now? And the dupes for rare materials? No matter if you keep paying sub to have same chance, you already lost that chance in the first month due all those problems. The cheaters are at the top, you paying sub or not.1 -
Fl0gSoul ShrivenTLDR synopsis : Move to the next post, I'm not enabling your short attention span.
As others have said "people with spend thousands so they can be top dog in a virtual world. ...And it ruins games." What this person is really saying is that the unemployed people instead of a people with a disposable income should be top dog. If you ever wondered how that top guild that holds all that (fill in whatever here) has a guild leader who appears to be a bit on the slow side, a poor leader, or doesn't seem particularly driven by anything but their own aggrandizement, this is how. They live in their grandmothers basement (just an true example but it might be their moms, fathers, brothers basements [more true examples]), cobbled together a machine from charity and or from money they made selling in game items or gold, (yes this might be shocking but the same people that make the most in games tend to sell that stuff) and lives in the game as much as possible. They dedicated thier lives to being entertained, and some people call it "work". As a reward we let them own MMOs. Yay.
They max their characters in marathon game sessions that would be impressive if it weren't so dysfunctional, whine on the forums about "lack of content" because they blew through content in a mad dash for the end game, and have even made such a fuss that they have actually changed the development cycle on some games to include more end game content before fixing bugs. This is not the type of customer anyone wants, or should endeavor to please. Yet company after company lets them rule the roost.
Why shouldn't someone who has a job, kids, and responsibilities, but with discretionary income, be allowed any type of balance with an unemployed gaming addict? Because they didn't "earn" it? The person that went to work all day, came home and helped their children with their homework, got dinner, put the dishes away, and tucked their kids aways to bed before thinking about entertaining themselves are the people that "earn" things.
The person that spent all day playing while yelling at their grandmother (another example) to bring them more ramen noodles, still own the majority power in MMO's regardless.
This is not balance.
I wouldn't suggest just selling gold though as it would destroy the economy but take the GW2 shop as an inspiration and sell and alternate currency that could be traded for gold. Love or hate GW2 it worked and the amount of gold sellers was minimal. Sell XP boosters so those with limited play time can catch up with addicts. Sell weapon and armor sets with good (but not the best) stats that allow people to play without having to quit their jobs and grind dungeons. Sell bank slots. Sell character slots. Sell character make over kits. Sell a way to change factions or races. Sell skill resets. Make them all only available with the alternate currency so they gaming addicts will have to sell their gold to buy the alternate currency not sell it to gold (re)sellers. (most gold sold by gold sellers is scammed, stolen, or made by gaming addicts so they can feed their addiction)
That would be a start to balance.
Alternatively make it so you can only earn gold, loot, XP/IP, etc. for two hours a day per account (not character)...like normal people have to play.
That would be real balance, then see how many people really want balance, as opposed to wanting balance in their favor all the time.2 -
Juponen✭✭✭
Tongue in cheek, but why shouldn't an unemployed gaming addict, be allowed any type of balance IRL with someone who has a job, kids, and responsibilities, but with discretionary income?Why shouldn't someone who has a job, kids, and responsibilities, but with discretionary income, be allowed any type of balance with an unemployed gaming addict?
Game is game, rl is rl. You can't afford time to play, the unemployed can't afford Audi. Don't be jealous...2 -
Fl0gSoul ShrivenThis was a thread about game balance not real life balance. An unemployed game addict can in theory can go get a job. A person with a job and responsibilities can quit and become a game addict. That is real life balance.
Game balance currently rewards unemployed game addicts regardless.0 -
Devs can you please look at an option to buy ingame currency.
Follow the GW2 model if you will. (gems for currency and a corresponding share market. (GW2 did hire economists to work this out unlike your development)
The sheer volume of spamming and botting at present is getting beyond intrusive.
The only sure way to remove this is to make official channels to buy currency, your current method of prohibition is not working - and we all know how well prohibition works (use alcohol or drugs as an example).
Please discuss alternate methods you may think viable since the current methods do not work.
(by discuss - this means to provide a valid argument, please no moronic single sentence responses, botting and gold spamming/farming is now a valid and large and very intrusive annoyance - and needs a decent discussion and a valid response from the developers)
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if they do this, I will be done with ESO. Good night1 -
Pelerin2014✭✭✭That's a terrible idea IMO.Pelarius, Imperial Dragonknight of the Aldmeri Dominion.1 -
Rift has something like this where you buy game credits with cash and can sell them in-game for game currency. The game credits also allows people to buy subscription services, etc. for those that don't have or don't want to spend cash (either way tho.. the company still gets money in the end). And alot of the stuff purchasable from the in-game store was fluff items too with very little actually being pay-to-win. And Rift has minimal to nonexistent gold spam. Just food for thought.Name: Wolf-in-ShadowsHA HA.. made you look! Just my game vitals below ---
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JessieColt✭✭✭✭If people were allowed to buy gold, the gold sellers wouldn't go away, they would just start trying to hack accounts so that they could use your stored payment information to buy a ton of gold on your account then sell it in game to other players who do not buy gold through the ESO store.
BAD, BAD, BAD idea.1 -
Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Devs can you please look at an option to buy ingame currency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InsspuvAmBs 2 -
Juponen✭✭✭This was a thread about game balance not real life balance.//
Game balance currently rewards unemployed game addicts regardless.
Game balance today rewards giving it time and effort. Bringing out-of-game reasons as to why someone gives it time and effort is, well, bringing real life issues into a thread that IS about gamebalance..1 -
crush83✭✭✭✭Alternatively make it so you can only earn gold, loot, XP/IP, etc. for two hours a day per account (not character)...like normal people have to play.
That would be real balance, then see how many people really want balance, as opposed to wanting balance in their favor all the time.
Are you kidding me? This is EXACTLY balance in YOUR favor. Nice double standard.
"real balance" is limiting EVERYONE to only gain reward for 2 hours of play per night because that's how long you say YOU get to play. LOL.
PS I play even less than that most nights and I'm having absolutely no trouble acquiring gold or leveling.Edited by crush83 on April 21, 2014 3:49PM1 -
mikeyb4god123nub19_ESOSoul ShrivenFirst Of
Who are you to "Harass" Someone Else for trying, think of idea for a game You had no Part in making and or no governing council over, and for those of you that said, No. "because you don't want "Rich Spoiled Snob's" to get an Edge over you DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF?... MY GOD MAN, You sound Like a Child, talking about a board Game!... You feel no Shame at all for the level of Maturity lacking in your demeanor?
Most of these people Zenimax are not talking about the Games Legitimacy or fundamental principles, Their saying that, Since they choose to sit at home all day everyday, and have no real since of moral Judgement AT ALL Just a Overstimulated imagination and a understimulated mental capacity for "Logical" Compare and contrasting, In Regards to the "Fruit Loop" that referenced and some how wanted people to Take him Seriously when he "contrasted a Man murdering another, with ESO considering the application selling in game currency" and "Deemed them Equal in relevance...
Most of them are belly aching because They Either work for/buy or have some stock in others people ability to possess Gold, and saying its not "fair" For you to sell Your own Products? No matter how may of you think this is your game... IT IS NOT. and you'll say "well I'll quit" I don't think Zenimax will miss a bunch of Crying, 23 to 30 year old Grow adult "Men" that are obsessed with a fiction based Video game, so much so that, they cut down, and revile a man's Idea's because To them it would not be "JUST"... to help out other players who do not possess a reasoning and Conscience that allows them to Set in front of a video game for 9 hours a day, while the rest of us "Non-Fictional men" Work 50 hour+ a week and make time for Foolish things such as "Working out" and you know those non-essential things like "Eating, drinking and sleeping and such, Or these people that are Whining about a beneficial idea for everyone, Not just the "Careerless, non-self-motivated" People who let their teeth Rot out of their head, In order to hold some sort of intrinsic since of accomplishment" in Letting one mans "Good" Idea for Zenimax and the Players to both make money, incite you to an emotion such as Anger, is not even funny to me Its sad... @ the guy who was talking about Value of "Hard work".... Bro, this is not hard work and if you consider this work. maybe you are Working while playing and part of the vary people this thread was posted in hope of stopping?... if not then you have not worked a hard days work in your life or have forgotten that THIS IS A GAME... But do not worry, At least you did say that murdering a man and buying Vural Gold are one in the same, Not even going to Comment On the Ignorance and Lack of understanding in his Uneducated comment about "Guns" haha you have to have been trolling on this frome because I don't think anybody took anything you said with one sheard of seriousness...
People like those of you who Bashed this guy for simply stated is thought on this big problem in this"Game" you who put such a allotment of Gratuitous efforts and "Hard work" Into a Game meant for the enjoyment for all,...
Now for my personal opinion on the matter "After Covering my face in shame at some of the responses and their Reasoning"
I think would be a great Idea! to add this feature, this is not "mine craft",,, the foundation of the game is not built off of making Gold, or even buying gear, and this would be a great addition to a extent, Maybe have a Max Amount" Allowed within a certain time frame that would stop people from solely relying on buying Gold, and since your markets do not already depend of Gold sale, You can set the bar so low that Gold farmer's would not find it worth their time, it would work or this game... and you make more money on the side for those of us who "Work for a living" and do not have the Large amount of free time, that these gets have. but I am Ashamed to see they way Grown men are acting over this, A right minded Rational individual would not let this mans Thoughts about "In-game Currency" Anger them to the point of insulting another man, and would not incite someone with real responsibilities.
I have never in my life seen, the kind of Pathetic opinionated childish banter that I'm reading here. this is "not just you all that Play Every single day 4 to 8 hours a day...
All I hear are Grown men Cry and Screaming "Its not Fair"0 -
crush83✭✭✭✭mikeyb4god123nub19_ESO wrote: »Some unintelligible drivelmikeyb4god123nub19_ESO wrote: »I have never in my life seen, the kind of Pathetic opinionated childish banter that I'm reading here.
Come again? Try reading your own post. I mean, most of it is complete garbage that can't even be comprehended, but it is fairly clear that you are just another player who doesn't want to earn things in game, and would rather buy your way to the top.
No, you shouldn't just be handed things in game because you have some disposable income in real life. You should work towards achieving those goals by your actions in game.
Should you be able to buy a new car in real life because you grinded out 500k gold in-game?
So, why should you be able to buy things in game simply because you have money out of game.
It doesn't work that way. Earn your way, or don't play. People like you spoil the game for the masses.
"Waaaaah give me the easy way out. I just want to buy everything and look like I earned it."Edited by crush83 on April 21, 2014 4:09PM2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg2u_De8j5o