ESO Store - Please sell ingame currency to control/kill the external goldsellers invasion

Series6
Series6
Soul Shriven
Devs can you please look at an option to buy ingame currency.

Follow the GW2 model if you will. (gems for currency and a corresponding share market. (GW2 did hire economists to work this out unlike your development)

The sheer volume of spamming and botting at present is getting beyond intrusive.

The only sure way to remove this is to make official channels to buy currency, your current method of prohibition is not working - and we all know how well prohibition works (use alcohol or drugs as an example).

Please discuss alternate methods you may think viable since the current methods do not work.

(by discuss - this means to provide a valid argument, please no moronic single sentence responses, botting and gold spamming/farming is now a valid and large and very intrusive annoyance - and needs a decent discussion and a valid response from the developers)

(edited-for spelling)
Edited by Series6 on April 21, 2014 1:21PM
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  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    No please no.
  • pontahultinb16_ESO
    pontahultinb16_ESO
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    No.
  • Iorail
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    A million times no, I rather have then hire 2-3 GM's to actually log in and play and manually ban spammers and bots.
  • Pintobean
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    So, just what is that little green 0 next to my gold amount anyway. I thought it was an alternate currency purchasable through the game with real money, but had not investigated. No?
  • kimika
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    First prove that the current way is not working?
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  • Iorail
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    Pvp currency
  • crush83
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    Oh yeah, let's give the rich snobs, who somehow find pleasure in buying everything instead of achieving it, an advantage over everyone else.

    Let me ask you this. If you buy everything, what is the point in playing the game? You achieve nothing. Congrats.
    Edited by crush83 on April 21, 2014 1:23PM
  • kimika
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    Pintobean wrote: »
    So, just what is that little green 0 next to my gold amount anyway. I thought it was an alternate currency purchasable through the game with real money, but had not investigated. No?
    That's Pvp points/ currency
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  • Mix
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    No.
  • Fina
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    No.

    This is the biggest Pay to Win model ever. What ever happened to hard work?

    This is just sanctioned RMT.

    Alternate method? In-game GMs that instantly ban gold sellers / buyers / botters etc.

    Put a couple in each shard, one in each starting zone, and one who patrols the dungeons.

    Number of gold sellers / buyers / bots should drop. Then ZeniMax can spend more time fixing quests and other bugs and less time researching "gold-seller!" reports.

  • Malediktus
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    No.
    This wont work anyway. There are still goldsellers in GW2, they just undercut the official conversion rate.
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  • Ketobbey
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    no!
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  • Cously
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    Ban the gold spammers. Permanently, quick. With in-game masters (judging he acts lawfully) there's no mistake. Now by the time you go through a whole trial to judge who is selling gold and who isn't, it's the time they spammed it in chat several times. We need quick action! Said in the chat "buy gold at www..." BAN! There's absolutely no excuse to mistake that for a player and if innocents are banned they will appeal. Now that would give work since you need people there 24/7, or you can copy the other games. But something must be done! It's a game which involves players which are people, you can't automate everything! We need a proper Zenimax GM to maintain the game in-game. Maybe one person is too few for the amount of players but the quality it would give the game would make it stand up! NOT EVERYTHING IN LIFE CAN BE AUTOMATED.
  • Mauzi
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    Next thing is to ask for drugs being handed out freely to everyone and allowing crimes and murder at will because the states cannot keep that under control. Or allow guns and their use - oh wait, that exists already...

    Sorry to say, but that's a rather silly suggestion, no matter if it was seen in other obviously desperate games. That's just like freely allowing private guns in a country, and it has proven to cause more harm than good.

    You know, having gold selling and other stuff like that disallowed has a reason: Balance - and it's for sure better try to handle the problem than give in to it. At least if the game is supposed to last for more than a year or so.
  • fatalslink
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    it'll turn into rift p2w, except in the first month
  • Aci
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    You buy GW2 once and youre done. In ESO you pay a monthly fee which is probably less than people spend for those "gems" in GW2, I dont know. Still I dont want a sub AND such a store. Uh, no.
  • Elsonso
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    Emphatic no.

    Other than a subscription, I do not want to feel that I must do outside transactions or buy privilege from the game company in order to succeed at the game.

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  • Skeln
    Skeln
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    No way.
    If you want to pay to win, you can go on *random f2p*.
  • crush83
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    "buy gold at www.insertgoldsellingwebsitehere.com"
    "hey guys, please don't buy gold, you just encourage the botters"

    How do you want them to automatically determine which gets banned, and which dosen't?

    It's great for people to suggest things like "automatically ban people advertising gold selling in chat", but these people seem not to think about how hard it is to avoid false positives. Especially when gold farmers are changing their spam to crap like:
    |3uy Go|d today at \vv/\vv/\vv/ dot |3uyG0|d dot com for thirty dollar per 200 thousand go|d.
  • Doowie
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    crush83 wrote: »
    Oh yeah, let's give the rich snobs, who somehow find pleasure in buying everything instead of achieving it, an advantage over everyone else.

    Let me ask you this. If you buy everything, what is the point in playing the game? You achieve nothing. Congrats.

    Because I work 5 days a week and have over 1,000euros extra a month to waste on crap, that makes me a snob? How about stop being jealous and being blind to the fact that even with a paid currency, pretty much 99% of us who have money wouldn't buy it anyway as I personally find the currency in ESO only useful for repairs!

    I'd rather use that extra cash for nights out, vacations and buy new computers/games and other random crap that I normally end up selling a few months later because I don't use it anymore xD

    However I agree with most people in this thread. Don't add ingame currency to be bought! You'll only end up with angry parents due to their kids getting hold of their credit card or PayPal information!
    Edited by Doowie on April 21, 2014 1:40PM
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  • crush83
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    Doowie wrote: »
    Because I work 5 days a week and have over 1,000euros extra a month to waste on crap, that makes me a snob? How about stop being jealous and being blind to the fact that even with a paid currency, pretty much 99% of us who have money wouldn't buy it anyway as I personally find the currency in ESO only useful for repairs!

    I'd rather use that extra cash for nights out, vacations and buy new computers/games and other random crap that I normally end up selling a few months later because I don't use it anymore xD

    However I agree with most people in this thread. Don't add ingame currency to be bought! You'll only end up with angry parents due to their kids getting hold of their credit card or PayPal information!

    Is this where you try to pretend like you are the only one who works a 5 day a week regular job, and making "omg 1000 extra euros/month!!!!!"

    Please. Spare me.

    No, you clearly aren't the person I'm addressing.

    I'm addressing little Johnny who doesn't attend school because his parents make more than enough money to set him up for life. He sits at home, buys everything in the game with real life money, and then proceeds to lord over the rest of the population until finally, we catch up months, maybe years later through hard work.

    Please. Try not to be so narrow-sighted. While you might spend a couple bucks here and there to get a little more extra cash in game, though I still think that's ridiculous, don't be so naive as to think that other people won't spend thousands so that they can be top dog in a virtual world. It happens. And it ruins games.
  • AlexDougherty
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    No to buying ingame currency, not only is it pointless, the gold builds up nicely any how, but it causes huge inflation, meaning the only way to get the money to buy stuff is to buy it with cash.
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  • DukeofChutney
    Dumbest thing I ever read. You are clearly a gold seller's target audience.

    Also tell me how current methods don't work? You report/ignore them, they get deleted.

    The only thing that doesn't work with that is they merely repurchase the game to do it again. People like you open to pay to win style playing are what propagates the issue. They can afford to do it because people are using the service. Your answer is to open a game store to starve them? That would push this to free 2 play and make the problem worse a million fold.
    Edited by DukeofChutney on April 21, 2014 2:00PM
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  • PaulD
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    What point is there to the ESO gold anyhow? You can't buy anything with it.
  • Cously
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    There's two situations you are addressing here:

    - People that work and play.
    - People that don't work and play.

    I most games, like LOTRO, you can speedup your actions in-game by using real life money. Say I work 6 days a week in an 8 hours shift, throw in the traffic time, family time, basic needs time and other obligations. Virtually I'd spare 2-4 hours a day to play ESO. So no matter how much I play, there will always be people with more advantages than me (it is cooperative but also a competitive game). This brings all kinds of trouble, to frustration to not being able to keep up with your friends/guild. Now if I work a lot I might as well spare money to buy let's see, an EXP accelerator. This would make up for the time. This is just the leveling situation. It's about being able to enjoy the game with few hours and put some extra money.

    Now you have people that don't work and play, kids, rich people, retired people, benefits people, does not matter. This people can put at least 12 hours in the game which I'm doing in my holidays. So I'm able to harvest more, level more, do more things and enjoy my game time.

    And the situation frustrating is the people that never work and can spend money. Is it the kids fault their parents worked hard or have money to him spare? Is the retired's oldie fault to have worked all his life and now spends his money in the game which makes him happy? Is wrong someone spends all their benefits and food stamp money in the game? The answer is, it doesn't matter. Some people have more time and/or money than others because they acquired legally/not legally or didn't acquire it.

    How much is a person willing to put in the game? Time? Money? Share their account to be Emperor? The one who gives more whatever currency they have should get more of the game. I'm up for a in-game cash store IF THE SUBSCRIPTION IS DROPPED! In my experience, WOW makes *** cash compared to games like Wonderland Online and Perfect World, even if they are more *** than WOW. Asian cash shops are absolutely mental when is about money, just like their counterparts in the world, who is making more and faster? US or China? You know the answer.

    The game will never have balance because no one will have same amount of money or same amount of time or same amount of people sharing their account as the other. It is impossible to keep pure balance!
  • Vorpedagel
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    No.
  • crush83
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    Joolio wrote: »
    How much is a person willing to put in the game? Time? Money? Share their account to be Emperor? The one who gives more whatever currency they have should get more of the game. I'm up for a in-game cash store IF THE SUBSCRIPTION IS DROPPED! In my experience, WOW makes *** cash compared to games like Wonderland Online and Perfect World, even if they are more *** than WOW. Asian cash shops are absolutely mental when is about money, just like their counterparts in the world, who is making more and faster? US or China? You know the answer.

    So what about the people who work hard 5-6 day weeks, and don't have enough extra money to buy their way to the top? They are just out of luck? You're right. That's balanced. "WOW makes *** cash" lol...ok

    Please. I really don't want to play a game where I get nickel and dimed to death.
    Edited by crush83 on April 21, 2014 2:08PM
  • neidzwiedzub17_ESO
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    So much nope!
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  • Ulvich
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    The only thing this will do is put ZOS in a price war with the gold spammers. And it wouldn't be long before the value of gold is worthless, and the economy (what there is) is ruined.
    The best we can do right now is just keep keep reporting and ignoring.
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  • Juponen
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    What is needed is a way to find gold buyers and ban them. Sellers can afford their accounts being banned as they probably use shifty methods like stolen cc info anyway, but even the richest buyers are another story because of the time involved with their chars.

    Gold transfers through mail logged and cleared before activation and controlled economy with price cap on items to prevent 10000 gold for a broomstick type moneylaundering?
    Yes, awkward and so forth, but if you have a better way please share.
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