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Suspended For Receiving Too Many Crown Gifts

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I purchased an "alt account" on Saturday, August 10, 2020 with the intention of developing a second account to do additional writs. My main account makes 2,000,000 gold per week doing writs for all 18 characters.
Utilizing gold from my main account, I paid gold and had the following gifted to me from other players within about 24 hours:
Summerset DLC: 3,500 crowns
Packrat: 1,200 crowns
War Boar: 1,200 crowns
Banker: 5,000 crowns (I noticed that this is currently discounted to 4,500 crowns)
Merchant: 5,000 crowns (I just noticed that this is currently discounted to 4,500 crowns)
10 extra character slots: 15,000 crowns

Shortly thereafter, my "alt account" was suspended. No reason was given. The "alt account" currently only has two level 3 characters that made it through the tutorial and fed their horse for the first time. I don't bot and I've never run bots. My main account (2517CP) is unaffected. My kids' accounts (400+CP) are unaffected. The other five accounts that I purchased to establish my personal guild bank are unaffected. The only possible explanation is that the "alt account" was suspended for receiving too many crown gifts.

So, what's the hidden cap on receiving crown gifts? I can assure you that it's not in the Terms of Service (which I've read in its entirety).

Support Ticket Reference #: 200810-006477 has not received an answer yet.


Edited by ZOS_Adrikoth on August 11, 2020 12:27PM
Stanko: Ebonheart Pact, CP 3600, Templar, Former Emperor on Azura's, Arena Gladiator, Flawless Conqueror, Spirit Slayer, Grand Overlord, Paragon, and of course Merciless.
  • Taleof2Cities
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    You should post this in the General Help forums, @Stanko.

    There’s usually a friendly forums mod that stops by once per day.

    (Maybe a forums mod is watching and can move this thread for you ...)
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  • Ackwalan
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    From ZOS's point of view, a new account with no real play time is suddenly moving millions in gold and crown gifts. You should just as well park an icecream truck outside a middle school. Sure you might being selling icecream, but any cop in the area should also knock on your door. Give time for the ticket and investigation to do its thing.
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  • redspecter23
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    Wouldn't it be just absolutely fantastic if every account banning came with an email with an explanation of what you did wrong?

    ZOS logic.
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  • TheRealPotoroo
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    Wouldn't it be just absolutely fantastic if every account banning came with an email with an explanation of what you did wrong?

    ZOS logic.

    It's simple decency to explain why someone got banned. It shouldn't even be a discussion point because it's so obviously the right thing to do.
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    Surprise bans, surprise server outages.
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  • Stanko
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    You should post this in the General Help forums, @Stanko.

    There’s usually a friendly forums mod that stops by once per day.

    (Maybe a forums mod is watching and can move this thread for you ...)

    I think that this belongs in general discussion, because I suspect that this is not an isolated case. I can't be the only person that wants to know what the "hidden cap" is for crown gifts. ZoS should at least give us some guidelines. Like, maybe if they actually stated that an account needs to be active for a period of time, or there is limit per week. There's simply no guidance that I'm aware of.

    So, this isn't about my support ticket. I expect that to get resolved. This is about letting us know what the guidelines are so that we can introduce a friend to the game (which I've done), and gift them some things (which I've done) without fear of getting them banned.

    What if this was actually a friend of mine that I was introducing to ESO, and he or she decided to never play again?
    Edited by Stanko on August 10, 2020 10:58PM
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  • Flaaklypa
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    Stanko wrote: »
    You should post this in the General Help forums, @Stanko.

    There’s usually a friendly forums mod that stops by once per day.

    (Maybe a forums mod is watching and can move this thread for you ...)

    I think that this belongs in general discussion, because I suspect that this is not an isolated case. I can't be the only person that wants to know what the "hidden cap" is for crown gifts. ZoS should at least give us some guidelines. Like, maybe if they actually stated that an account needs to be active for a period of time, or there is limit per week. There's simply no guidance that I'm aware of.

    So, this isn't about my support ticket. I expect that to get resolved. This is about letting us know what the guidelines are so that we can introduce a friend to the game (which I've done), and gift them some things (which I've done) without fear of getting them banned.

    What if this was actually a friend of mine that I was introducing to ESO, and he or she decided to never play again?

    Absolutely agree. (Snip) has a tendency to act like a forum mod, even though he really is not
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  • Taleof2Cities
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    Stanko wrote: »

    I think that this belongs in general discussion, because I suspect that this is not an isolated case.

    *** shrugs ***

    If you want a longer wait time that’s certainly your choice.
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  • Intha1313
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    It's about 35k a week per toon for daily writs ...... where does the 2 million come in? Sorry for derail, genuinely curious.
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    Intha1313 wrote: »
    It's about 35k a week per toon for daily writs ...... where does the 2 million come in? Sorry for derail, genuinely curious.

    Selling the gold/purple upgrade mats, master writs, intricates/recipes and other things you get doing the writs, I make a bit over a million in sales in addition to the gold I get from doing the writs themselves, then again I don't sell absolutely everything. Could probably get close to the 2 million mark if I bothered to do my surveys each week and sell the raw mats.
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    • 18 x 4,600g x 7 = 579,600 gold per week
    • Imperial race x 18 x 4,646g x 7 = 585,396 gold per week.
    • Imperial race w. ESO plus x 18 x 5,111g x 7 = 643,986 gold per week.

    2,000,000 - 643,986 = 1,356,014 gold from gold tempers, rosin, master writs etc???

    You get that much sellable items? lucky RNG
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    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
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  • VaranisArano
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    They aren't likely to explain the limits on gifting that let them flag accounts for the same reason ZOS doesn't explain their discipline policies: if you tell people exactly where the line is drawn, some people are going to skate right up to the line. Its much easier to okay a few legitimate new accounts after the fact than open up the floodgates for bots.

    There are always people like that, whether its a sibling waving their hand right in front of your face going "I'm not touching you!" or a student going "Three strikes and I'm out? Well, Then I'm gonna make strikes 1 and 2 really good ones!"
    Edited by VaranisArano on August 10, 2020 11:39PM
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  • TineaCruris
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    Stanko wrote: »
    I purchased an "alt account" on Saturday, August 10, 2020 with the intention of developing a second account to do additional writs. My main account makes 2,000,000 gold per week doing writs for all 18 characters.
    Utilizing gold from my main account, I paid gold and had the following gifted to me from other players within about 24 hours:
    Summerset DLC: 3,500 crowns
    Packrat: 1,200 crowns
    War Boar: 1,200 crowns
    Banker: 5,000 crowns (I noticed that this is currently discounted to 4,500 crowns)
    Merchant: 5,000 crowns (I just noticed that this is currently discounted to 4,500 crowns)
    10 extra character slots: 15,000 crowns

    Shortly thereafter, my "alt account" was suspended. No reason was given. The "alt account" currently only has two level 3 characters that made it through the tutorial and fed their horse for the first time. I don't bot and I've never run bots. My main account (2517CP) is unaffected. My kids' accounts (400+CP) are unaffected. The other five accounts that I purchased to establish my personal guild bank are unaffected. The only possible explanation is that the "alt account" was suspended for receiving too many crown gifts.

    So, what's the hidden cap on receiving crown gifts? I can assure you that it's not in the Terms of Service (which I've read in its entirety).

    Support Ticket Reference #: 200810-006477 has not received an answer yet.


    Be sure to follow up when you get emailed the automated resonse from filing the ticket to let them know the issue is not "automatically" resolved. They are going to have to do something to fix you up.

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    Kalik_Gold wrote: »
    • 18 x 4,600g x 7 = 579,600 gold per week
    • Imperial race x 18 x 4,646g x 7 = 585,396 gold per week.
    • Imperial race w. ESO plus x 18 x 5,111g x 7 = 643,986 gold per week.

    2,000,000 - 643,986 = 1,356,014 gold from gold tempers, rosin, master writs etc???

    You get that much sellable items? lucky RNG

    If you include selling all the intricate and ornate items, you usually earn over 5k per CP character. If you obtain various crafting achievements and complete motif chapters, you can increase your drop rate for sealed writs. You can sell the intricates for much more on the traders if you have the slots available.

    Also, jewelry crafting writ rewards have a scaling upgrade mat drop rate so higher tiers provide higher quantities of gold and purple upgrade mats.

    If you collect your surveys, you can refine for lots of improvement items. You can then sell the refine mats or use them to do sealed writs and use the vouchers to sell items like attunable crafting stations for lots of gold.

    If you use lazywritcrafter, you can use the /outputwritstats command to see what your drop rates are based on the writs you have done. Unless, you do so many writs like me that you break the report. :smile:
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  • volkeswagon
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    Bans without an explanation is just plain wrong. As I mentioned before if they can't send you an explanation for any kind of ban then they shouldn't ban in the first place unless you're a bot. It's like being arrest without informing you of the charge.
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    wow. Gonna start doing writs again
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    Have you checked your Junk mail folder for an email from ZOS? Everyone who complains about a ban actually had or eventually found an email with at least a vague explanation.
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  • volkeswagon
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    i think transfering that much gold between accounts can flag it as a possible gold buying situation which is a bannable offence. Where you pay real money to have someone mail you gold.
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    There are always people like that, whether its a sibling waving their hand right in front of your face going "I'm not touching you!" or a student going "Three strikes and I'm out? Well, Then I'm gonna make strikes 1 and 2 really good ones!"

    Well written... and all the more so since most of the above will pretend astonishment when they are called on it.
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
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  • Salvas_Aren
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    They aren't likely to explain the limits on gifting that let them flag accounts for the same reason ZOS doesn't explain their discipline policies: if you tell people exactly where the line is drawn, some people are going to skate right up to the line. Its much easier to okay a few legitimate new accounts after the fact than open up the floodgates for bots.

    There are always people like that, whether its a sibling waving their hand right in front of your face going "I'm not touching you!" or a student going "Three strikes and I'm out? Well, Then I'm gonna make strikes 1 and 2 really good ones!"

    Well, that there is even such a thing as crown gift limits is disturbing, no?

    I mean, getting gifts by themselves is not a bad or forbidden thing, imagine, you have an old account full of ESO+ crowns and gift to your own alt account and get banned, even that seems possible now.
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    Well, that there is even such a thing as crown gift limits is disturbing, no?

    I mean, getting gifts by themselves is not a bad or forbidden thing, imagine, you have an old account full of ESO+ crowns and gift to your own alt account and get banned, even that seems possible now.

    I don't think it is the gifting. I think it is the gold moving around that attracted attention.

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  • Stanko
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    tmbrinks estimated the following in July 2019 (467k per month per character). It's about 5% more than the 2,000,000 per week per account that I quoted. Note that I have 18 toons with full research, all provisioning recipes except for a couple that cost more than 20k, and membership in two trading guilds located in Mournhold. So, I understated the amount of gold that I make.
    tmbrinks wrote: »
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    Oh btw, you should update the main post with the new 570k per month figure, it still says 400k from your earlier spreadsheet.

    It's not quite that high.. there was a math error, as I was "double counting" Jewelry, since when I initially set it up, half of my characters were not doing jewelry writs since my alt account didn't have access to it.

    It's at 467k per month per character now

    But yeah, the lucrative nature of writs is not the purpose of this post. I'd like to get back to the topic at hand, instead of quibbling.

    Any guesses on what ZoS' limits to gifting crowns may be?
    Edited by Stanko on August 11, 2020 1:53AM
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    Well, that there is even such a thing as crown gift limits is disturbing, no?

    I mean, getting gifts by themselves is not a bad or forbidden thing, imagine, you have an old account full of ESO+ crowns and gift to your own alt account and get banned, even that seems possible now.

    I don't think it is the gifting. I think it is the gold moving around that attracted attention.
    It'll be the combination.

    Think about what this looks like:
    Person A pays persons B, C, D, E, F, and G to give things to person H.
    I can tell you that IRL in the banking world when you see things like that you suspect money laundering or something else shady is going on, and you file a suspicious transaction report with the relevant authorities. In MMOs that's going to look equally suspicious and make them think that something like gold selling is going on.
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    Stanko wrote: »
    tmbrinks estimated the following in July 2019 (467k per month per character). It's about 5% more than the 2,000,000 per week per account that I quoted. Note that I have 18 toons with full research, all provisioning recipes except for a couple that cost more than 20k, and membership in two trading guilds located in Mournhold. So, I understated the amount of gold that I make.
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    AONomad wrote: »
    Oh btw, you should update the main post with the new 570k per month figure, it still says 400k from your earlier spreadsheet.

    It's not quite that high.. there was a math error, as I was "double counting" Jewelry, since when I initially set it up, half of my characters were not doing jewelry writs since my alt account didn't have access to it.

    It's at 467k per month per character now

    But yeah, the lucrative nature of writs is not the purpose of this post. I'd like to get back to the topic at hand, instead of quibbling.

    Any guesses on what ZoS limits to gifting crowns may be?

    I think that it's just an assumption that there is a limit to crown gifts. Since you received no information on why that account was banned, that might be where you'd need to start. It was mentioned earlier, but it might be far more likely that a large transfer of gold caused a ban.

    Did you transfer gold from one account to the other to purchase the gifts? Or was the gold sent to the seller from the main account?

    Did you have both accounts logged in simultaneously at any point? I've had guildmates receive temporary or social bans for this in the past.

    Even if there is a limit on gifts, it likely has more to do with the low level/play time on the alt account as numerous players receive multiple millions in gifts every day without issue. If the gifting triggered a ban, the newness of the account would be what I would focus on.
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    Well, that there is even such a thing as crown gift limits is disturbing, no?

    I mean, getting gifts by themselves is not a bad or forbidden thing, imagine, you have an old account full of ESO+ crowns and gift to your own alt account and get banned, even that seems possible now.

    I don't think it is the gifting. I think it is the gold moving around that attracted attention.

    I paid 8,000,000 gold to get in vBRP for my first run and earn a perfected BRP lightning staff (wild impulse). I then used the staff (in conjunction with Malacath's Band, Valkyn's monster set, and Vicious Death) to earn "The Merciless" achievement. The spontaneous combustion was a sight to behold.

    So, I don't think that it's the gold. I've tossed around millions at a time. I've never heard of that many crowns gifted in a 24 hour period though. Maybe I stumbled upon a way to break the game.

    Any guesses on what the crown limit is before you get banned?
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    I hope you get it sorted out with CS. Just keep replying to any response to the original ticket. Copy/pasta is your friend.
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    It is expected that an established account can toss around millions and be legit. If a new account does this, it is highly suspicious. But just like with the algorithms that look for bank fraud in the real world, the people looking for that stuff are never going to tell you exactly what patterns they’re looking for. Once ZOS knows it is your alt account, they will likely see all the transactions a little differently.

    I do think it kind of sucks that they suspended the account first, before investigating. In the real world, they investigate first. And people at banks are trained to never reveal to a customer if they have concerns, exactly what tipped off those concerns, or whether the bank and/or authorities are investigating.
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    Pevey wrote: »
    I do think it kind of sucks that they suspended the account first, before investigating. In the real world, they investigate first. And people at banks are trained to never reveal to a customer if they have concerns, exactly what tipped off those concerns, or whether the bank and/or authorities are investigating.
    Not only that, but (in Canada, at least) it's actually a crime for people who work in a bank to let someone know that you're filing a suspicious transaction report on them.
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    Another possible explanation would be if you bought the game through a 3rd party keystore like G2A. While many codes from those sites are legit there are some illegal codes among them too - meaning codes obtained by the seller using stolen credit cards. Those codes get invalidated if the original owner of the credit card manages to get a refund.

    So if you bought the game through a keystore, that might explain it too and would explain why no other accounts are affected.
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    Another possibility is that one of the people your main account bought crowns from to have them sent to your alt is under investigation as a gold seller. I know something similar happened to several players in a guild I was in a while back. They had to just wait until zos sorted it all out. In that case, eventually zos did come out and make some sort of vague statement about investigating “black market activity” and that the investigation was complete and some accounts had been returned to good standing.
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