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How should Cheaters be punished?

Zodiarkslayer
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Inspired by a recent thread, I remembered different methods of game devs punishing confirmed cheaters and exploiters in game. Specifically a video I saw on youtube. I cant find it anymore, so sorry no link.😑

I also remember playing a game about the solo adventures of lone a certain Wolf with really light hair. And how one time I stumbled across a quest that wanted me to pay taxes on Cow Hides and Oyster pearls. And I only found out later that the devs shamed and made fun of all the exploiters in game istead of deleting their accounts.
Another instance i recall was that the characters skins were overwritten so that the cheater in questions was always naked with a diper on his or her head.

So how do you think confirmed cheaters can be publicly and creatively punished?

I hope I don't violate any community rules by asking that question on a dedicated thread.

Kind regards and please be nice.
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  • doomette
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    I can’t remember the game, but I remember one way back in the day that would put your character in a bunny suit if you used a cheat program in single player then transferred your character to multiplayer. I was so confused when I saw all these people walking around in pink bunny suits at first.
  • essi2
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    Good old Perma-ban. People who have no shame, cannot be shamed.
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  • doomette
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    essi2 wrote: »
    Good old Perma-ban. People who have no shame, cannot be shamed.

    Bingo. Because bunny suits don’t actually work.
  • daemonios
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    In Guild Wars 2 a confirmed cheater had their account taken over by a GM, one of their characters stripped to his undies and made to jump to his death off a wall, then had their characters deleted and account removed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqfUi9DzBuo&rel=0

    I doubt something like this would happen in ESO. ZOS are and have always been absolutely spineless when it comes to cheating. At most the account will be banned, but there have been cases where confirmed cheaters have later been unbanned, so even that is not a guarantee of adequate response.

    If I could choose how to deal with cheaters in ESO, I'd put the account's most serious offender in stocks at a busy player hub, wearing the title "cheater", lock the account and throw away the key.
  • BigBragg
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    Put them in stocks around the map, until another cheater gets caught and must take their place. Then ban the account.
  • Zodiarkslayer
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    daemonios wrote: »
    If I could choose how to deal with cheaters in ESO, I'd put the account's most serious offender in stocks at a busy player hub, wearing the title "cheater", lock the account and throw away the key.

    Like the npc dialogue in Rawl'ka. "Until the time he shows proper repentance" 😅
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  • Tryxus
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    Public execution, followed by reincarnation as a skeever (or other vermin) in a delve which they can never leave...

    Getting guts, crawlers, etc... will become a rather enjoyable experience >:)
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  • zvavi
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    Step 1: remove anti cheat engines.
    Step 2: see that game works great.
    Step 3: perma-ban cheaters.
  • technohic
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    Just perma ban. Nothing fancy.

    Of course I'd be cautious of saying all cheaters. A lot of bugs come up in this game, and then I have also seen how their auto social ban kicks in and boots players from the server for purchasing siege too quickly, spamming the keep repair kits, or just trying desperately to activate abilities in lag.
    Edited by technohic on August 4, 2020 10:46AM
  • Bucky_13
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    Tarred and feathered, as is of course tradition.
  • Cactus_Back
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    doomette wrote: »
    I can’t remember the game, but I remember one way back in the day that would put your character in a bunny suit if you used a cheat program in single player then transferred your character to multiplayer. I was so confused when I saw all these people walking around in pink bunny suits at first.

    Sacred Underworld? Not sure how effective of a punishment that was but a great game though!
  • jecks33
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    So how do you think confirmed cheaters can be publicly and creatively punished?


    replacing all their characters with magplars
    PC-EU
  • Knootewoot
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    There are a lot of pillories in ESO's world. Cheaters loging in the next time must find their character stuck in one unable to move or use anyting (not even logging out).

    Then other players can throw mudballs, rotten eggs and perhaps doodoo on their faces

    roman-pillory.png



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  • daemonios
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    jecks33 wrote: »

    So how do you think confirmed cheaters can be publicly and creatively punished?


    replacing all their characters with magplars

    Some would call that a cruel and unusual punishment prohibited by several treaties and national laws. Let's let the cheaters be the bad guys here :p
  • TwinLamps
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    banned, ez as that
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  • Ectheliontnacil
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    They should be sentenced to the stocks until such time as they show proper repentance.
    Edited by Ectheliontnacil on August 4, 2020 12:12PM
  • DTStormfox
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    Put them all in a dedicated PvP server for cheaters (preferably a slow server), so the cheaters can fight each other instead of ruining the fun for all who play fair.
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  • vibeborn
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    I'm on the 'ban them' train. I'd hate for ESO to turn into something like GTA Online (which is cheat and modder galore)

    Luckily I haven't seen cheating in ESO personally, but from the looks at videos of cheating in the game, ZOS shouldn't play nice with them
  • BXR_Lonestar
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    Cheaters should be sentenced to death!....by snu snu....

    In all seriousness though, the punishment needs to fit the crime so to speak. For example, if someone habitually cheats in Cyrodil and Battlegrounds, they should receive scaling bans - first a 2 week ban, then a 1 month ban, and after the third time, we can assume they are not going to change course so the account should be banned and all characters deleted so if that person manages to get back online, they basically have to start from scratch.

    For botters? They just need a permanent console/PC ban or IP ban. Deleting characters won't solve the issue because the accounts that they're doing the botting on are just newb accounts with newb characters. This should be a zero tolerance policy. If Zos can trace where the farmed materials are going to - because they're most certainly going to an alternate account with a higher level character - then Zos should ban BOTH accounts and delete the high level characters.

  • Dusk_Coven
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    At this point, I would settle for just

    (1) action by ZOS
    (2) summary of action results -- number of accounts that were banned/suspended

    Like they did once up on a time -- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/396731/suspensions-for-update-17-xp-exploit

    @ZOS_GinaBruno - why don't we get reports about action taken anymore?
    Edited by Dusk_Coven on August 4, 2020 3:27PM
  • DigitalHype
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    Death penalty for cheaters. But, I'm no monster. I'll let their friends and families watch.
  • Enemy-of-Coldharbour
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    Perma-ban!

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  • JamuThatsWho
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    Permanent IP ban.
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  • Ascarl
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    Free Findrin sand olace the cheaters there!
  • Tandor
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    You can't ban an IP because it may affect others who currently use or may in the future be allocated that IP, and the offending player may simply switch IP anyway. All you can do is permanently ban the player, and whilst you can't prevent him creating a new account you can take action elsewhere such as reporting your decision to Steam or the console provider where appropriate with a view to those accounts being banned too. I've always fancied the idea of game developers sharing a list of permanently banned players but I dare say that isn't practical or legal these days.

    I used to play a MUD where they didn't favour deleting established characters as they had become part of the history of the gameworld, so if a permanent ban was necessary the admin simply changed the account password and locked it.

    There are several problems with publicly naming and shaming offending players. First, it's probably illegal in some jurisdictions as it may be held to contravene an individual's human rights. Second, if a player is running around with a label then he's still in the game, and you want him out of it. Third, it would make a nonsense of the EULA ban on players naming and shaming if the company was seen to be doing it, so the forums would be open to all manner of personal attacks, most probably unwarranted. Finally, there are enough idiots in the world that will see it as a challenge in a game they've become bored with and they'll just set out to "earn" that particular achievement. We see them from time to time here on the forum, challenging the Mods to ban them permanently. We don't want to pander to those sorts of players, we just want to be rid of them. Forever, and not by way of calling it a ban when it's only a suspension for a few hours or days.
  • Sanctum74
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    Just ban them, same goes for people that spam fake cheater reports. Both ends of the spectrum are toxic to the community.
  • Zodiarkslayer
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    Tandor wrote: »
    You can't ban an IP because it may affect others who currently use or may in the future be allocated that IP, and the offending player may simply switch IP anyway. All you can do is permanently ban the player, and whilst you can't prevent him creating a new account you can take action elsewhere such as reporting your decision to Steam or the console provider where appropriate with a view to those accounts being banned too. I've always fancied the idea of game developers sharing a list of permanently banned players but I dare say that isn't practical or legal these days.

    I used to play a MUD where they didn't favour deleting established characters as they had become part of the history of the gameworld, so if a permanent ban was necessary the admin simply changed the account password and locked it.

    There are several problems with publicly naming and shaming offending players. First, it's probably illegal in some jurisdictions as it may be held to contravene an individual's human rights. Second, if a player is running around with a label then he's still in the game, and you want him out of it. Third, it would make a nonsense of the EULA ban on players naming and shaming if the company was seen to be doing it, so the forums would be open to all manner of personal attacks, most probably unwarranted. Finally, there are enough idiots in the world that will see it as a challenge in a game they've become bored with and they'll just set out to "earn" that particular achievement. We see them from time to time here on the forum, challenging the Mods to ban them permanently. We don't want to pander to those sorts of players, we just want to be rid of them. Forever, and not by way of calling it a ban when it's only a suspension for a few hours or days.

    I think @Tandor nails it here. Esssentially you can only perma ban the account and not the person. Even if you could, the person still holds rights you simply can't infringe as a company.

    So I always thought the soft power approach would make sense. Not punishing to the extreme (deletion), but rather make the person feel that everybody is disappointed in the person (the offender). And maybe over time cheating behavior drops, and eventually stops. You know, like a little behavioral therapy.

    It also kind of reminds me how I taught my Kids not to beat other kids about a toy in the sandbox. >:)o:)
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  • daemonios
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    Lol @ the mention of human rights in the context of a service agreement, which is what ESO is. Even the dreaded EU general data protection regulation allows the use of personal data for legitimate uses, more so with the data subject's consent, which we give when we accept the ToS.
    Edited by daemonios on August 4, 2020 6:38PM
  • kargen27
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    First time cheaters remove CP and delete character that was being used for cheating. 2nd time caught say bye-bye to the account.
    and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."
  • redspecter23
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    If anything is done to a cheater other than completely ignoring them, at least some percentage of the population would seek out this "punishment" viewing it as a reward, achievement or status symbol.

    Temp bans for smaller offences.

    Long term bans for repeat offenders or serious exploits.

    Perma bans for extreme cases.

    In any situation, it's probably best if ZOS never acknowledges the offenders in any way or they risk people looking for notoriety through these means.
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