I have a suggestion about the matter:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/435998/arenas-and-trials-finder#latest

There should be a group finder for people that wish to use one for ALL group content, why does it concern anyone who groups with their guilds, they will never use it so I fail to understand the objection, I do concede that ZO$ need to sort the group finder.

put it in.

most of us wont use it anyways. we get friends to fill guild spots and not some random john who cant stay out of the red.

Only for normal wouldn't hurt ?

It would be useful for people who are not as social as some, but I would not expect a high rate of completion from this tool in vet trials, but hey if it was added people would use it....why not...

...like most things if you don't want to use it...don't.

ThePlayer wrote: »

I think it could be a fantastic addition to the game, what do you think?
Of course with the right system, i mean, controlling the class and maybe even the CP for some trials, those outside Craglorn for example.
The only problem not to be underestimated would be due to the ZOS programmers, they have already took 3 years to fix the GF for the dungeons and is still buged and potentially improvable.
Hopefully, however, it is still an MMO game, players have to play in group; and all these commercial guilds have ruined in my opinion all the pve/pvp guilds that looking for a bit of seriousness in the game; all for random group, fast and easy, there are more people in the trade guilds than in the pve/pvp guilds....
Better to bring then a GF for the trials, at least i avoid being in Craglorn, and some less brain players can understand that it is an MMO game and have to be played in a group.

Yes please, for all trials, normal and vet...and no, aside from a cp restriction for vet trials(and maybe a 2nd one for vet DLC trials) they should not try to control race, class, or role. Just as long as people understand a pug is a pug and not to expect to always be able to finish.

The people who dont want it are being ridiculous. No one is forcing you to use it. I want it because I am sick of tired of trial elitists that want to tell me what build to use if I want to join their trial. No offense, but with enough skill just about any build will clear any trial in the game...not talking about leaderboard runs, but if it does the job, its fine, if not, that person can be vote-kicked and replaced. Obviously when a pug trial finder first opens, the completion rate for vet trials will be low...but JUST LIKE HAPPENS WHEN PUGGING VET DLC DUNGEONS< AS TIME GOES ON THE COMPLETION RATE GOES UP. Many people dont like trials because of the elitist attitude in trials guilds....but in a pug no one is elitist. People will join a pug to get more practice without dragging down a real group...pugs will wipe and wipe often...but wiping is how you learn. If you are looking for a smooth run, DONT USE IT, but if you want to practice, or try out a build some elitist group wont take...then group finder will work wonders for you. As long as people understand that a pug will be more of a practice group and has a good chance of failing, everything is good. Dont expect to clear everytime you pug, or even 75%, because that wont happen, but the option to pug being there HARMS NO ONE. Most people wont use it, and those of us who enjoy pugging will, and great things will come of it...new, unusual builds...and more skilled players in general(pugging forces you to be a better player to make up for bad or inexperienced players). The trial role default should simply be 2 tanks, 2 healers, 8 DPS, and those tanks who pug should just realize they need to be able to swap gear and skills to an off-tank role instead when needed.

ThePlayer wrote: »

I think it could be a fantastic addition to the game, what do you think?
Of course with the right system, i mean, controlling the class and maybe even the CP for some trials, those outside Craglorn for example.
The only problem not to be underestimated would be due to the ZOS programmers, they have already took 3 years to fix the GF for the dungeons and is still buged and potentially improvable.
Hopefully, however, it is still an MMO game, players have to play in group; and all these commercial guilds have ruined in my opinion all the pve/pvp guilds that looking for a bit of seriousness in the game; all for random group, fast and easy, there are more people in the trade guilds than in the pve/pvp guilds....
Better to bring then a GF for the trials, at least i avoid being in Craglorn, and some less brain players can understand that it is an MMO game and have to be played in a group.

This should have been done years ago. I'm not sure why they still haven't added them because there isn't a good reason not to.

idk wrote: »

Waynerx8 wrote: »

There should be a group finder for people that wish to use one for ALL group content, why does it concern anyone who groups with their guilds, they will never use it so I fail to understand the objection, I do concede that ZO$ need to sort the group finder.

It would concern Zos for starters. Zos has a responsibility with the GF to first and foremost not add to it content they feel would be a train wreck most a large portion of the time.

After seeing how raids in GF work in other games, total pugs being able to clear the easier content but struggling in major ways with content with actual mechanics I can understand Zos being reluctant to add trials to the GF. That was in games that require less skill to play well than ESO does.

Granted, anyone who chose to use the GF for that purpose and ended up with a train wreck got what they deserved. However, we have seen the toxicity of GF related threads in the forums from players that were probably just as much the issue as the ones they complain about and trials would just add to that several fold.

Do not reply asking me why I have an issue with this as I do not. I could care less outside of getting a good laugh out of watching streams of the train wreck. I am merely stating what a responsible company would consider before making changes like this.

Ok, so let’s see: ZOS spends all this money and time making content that a large portion of casual players will never experience because they cant practice running it with pugs through a group finder. Whereas so many more people would experience the content, even if just in normal mode, if there was a group finder.

People are going to “train wreck” as you put it because, guess what, this is how you learn. Some will even rage quit, but instead of then having to run all over Tamriel looking for a replacement or replacements, guess what? Someone from the queue would be asked if they wanted to join a group already in session and you fill your slots again like that. Those who are patient and willing to learn will stick to it and success rate of everyone goes up and a good time is (eventually) had by all.

People who run bitching about the pug group they joined just need to be told to stfu about it by everyone. If you dont like it, don’t use it and join a raid guild instead, yeah? Some of us don’t have time to join raid guilds and build up entire relationships with guild members and then have to work on the guild’s raid schedules.. We have families and careers and responsibilities and other games to play and sometimes just want to jump in ESO and run some more quests or run a group dungeon (or in my case, as I am tired of group dungeons: trials). We want to experience the content of trials and try to get better gear but the setup for that content takes far, FAR too long and is a boring waste of our time getting a group together through yelling in zones.

Give is a group finder for it. Let us practice with pugs so everyone gets good at at least the normal version of the trials. Many people, like myself, feel “locked” out of this content because it takes so long to organize and actually do the fun stuff.

normal trial YES.vet no.

Yes PLEASE. I have been playing since launch and have only done maybe 3-4 trials. I don't want to have to join a guild and schedule time on a calendar like a doctor's appointment just to do the end game content. I've been trying to get into one the last 2 weeks and have had absolutely no luck.

redgreensunset wrote: »

Why people are against it? Because we already have so many threads about Fake X, people getting kicked from dungeons, people not knowing the mechanics of a fight causing their group to wipe again and again. Those threads would increase exponentially if this was put in the game.

So okay, fine. But if they do there should be a complete ban of those threads here and on the eso subreddit.

Edit. I forgot about threads from DDs complaining about the queue times which would also be gargantuan as no tank or healer worth that title and who prize their sanity would touch this.

Who cares? Do you run pug groups in GF for vet DLC dungeons? My guess is no....quite a few people avoid that content. I tank pug runs ALL THE TIME in vet DLC dungeons with 70%+ success rate and have ever since the first DLC dungeons came out. When a new DLC dungeon drops, the completion rate is fairly abysmal...around 20% or so...then over the next few weeks in consistently rises....and a month or two later its back to 70%. This is because people slowly learn the mechanics needed. Are they occasionally carried to later bosses? Sure they are, but that is a GOOD thing, it allows them to experience the mechs of later bosses, and eventually they learn the mechs of the whole dungeon.

I say this because regardless of all the people whining about DLC dungeons in GF, IT DOES NOT STOP THEM FROM USING IT. Those people continue to use it because the groups they get paired with continue to improve, pugs or not. This will be no different for trials, what ZOS needs to stop doing is nerfing content because people whine...either they can do the content or they cant, and that is how it should be.

I guess what the nay-sayers are really worried about is that ZOS will nerf the content because of whiners...and while that is a valid enough concern...who really cares? ZOS will continue to pump out new challenging content to replace it on a regular basis like they always have done.

This should definitely be implemented...but it should be done in stages over several months, first releasing normal craglorn trials, then a couple months later, vet versions of those trials, then a couple months later normal DLC trials, and then finally vet DLC trials, start the easiest trials with a CP requirement of 300CP, then 500cp for vet craglorn, 600CP for normal DLC, and max CP for vet DLC trials....implementing it in this fashion would smooth things out, allowing people to learn mechanics, and require at least some time in the game(aside from those CP grinders)