VoidCommander wrote: »2. 3. : I've tested advancing yokeda against relequens and the difference if any is small enough to be negligable. However, critical hit chance is going to mean a lot more when combined with the new elemental catalyst set. I imagine crit chance sets like advancing yokeda will be more highly favored for this reason.
I've been doing some testing myself, but my ping prevents me from getting definitive results, I assume some of you already tested this so i'll be happy if you'll share what you got so far:
1. Do Relequen and lokkestiiz still reign supreme? How is Selene doing?
2. Is Advancing Yokeda the new rising king?
4. Is advancing yokeda best paired with Relequen or Lokkestiiz?
5. While deadly strike remains BiS on templar, can it be the new BiS for StamDK and StamSorc (with Rapid Strikes as spam)?
5. Is Thief Mundus now better than Shadow on some classes? And if so, which ones?
6. What are the new BiS weapon and jewelry traits? Is it still Axe Nirn Dagger Sharp and all bloodthirsty jewelry?
7. Does War Machine worth the trouble?
8. Are there any new sets i might have missed that might contend for the top spot?
9. How noticeable is the buff StamBlade got? Can it compete with Necro and Templar yet? What sets best fit this class? Is Rapid strikes better than surprise attack?
10. And finally: is StamDK still ***? How OP is necro exactly compared to the rest?
Relequen got nerfed for parsing and static fights but buffed for most dynamic fights. Lokke will still be good but now as niche set. Especially not worth using with another Minor Slayer set anymore.1. Do Relequen and lokkestiiz still reign supreme? How is Selene doing?
It has never been truly out of the meta and the buff it got makes it BiS again.2. Is Advancing Yokeda the new rising king?
Relequen is still the stamina BiS set so....3. Is advancing yokeda best paired with Relequen or Lokkestiiz?
I don't think so, the new AY is really strong.4. While deadly strike remains BiS on templar, can it be the new BiS for StamDK and StamSorc (with Rapid Strikes as spam)?
Not better from I have seen but much closer because of the nerf, also due to the fact that we have another new 15% crit dmg support set. On classes like Stamblade and Stamplar, from my testing thief was giving me near identical results. For Stamcro though, Shadow is still better as we get max crit chance anyways in execute.5. Is Thief Mundus now better than Shadow on some classes? And if so, which ones?
Nirn+Precise seems to be the way to go. 1xInfused+2xBT is looking to be the BiS stat combo. For execute heavy classes though like stamblade, 3xBT is the way to go.6. What are the new BiS weapon and jewelry traits? Is it still Axe Nirn Dagger Sharp and all bloodthirsty jewelry?
It is worth it on cheaper ult classes like stamblade. But it like compete with Rele for usage so it depends on how dynanic the fight and how close your nearby DDs are.7. Does War Machine worth the trouble?
Well, Morag Tong is going to make a return. If a support does not use it, it will fall on a DD to use it.8. Are there any new sets i might have missed that might contend for the top spot?
Stamblade is virtually tied with Stamcro for parse DPS at nearly 93k. Every stamina DPS got nerfed by around 4k due to the overall changes this patch. But stamblade buffs essentially cancelled out the nerfs, resulting in them maintaining their Greymoor DPS.9. How noticeable is the buff StamBlade got? Can it compete with Necro and Templar yet? What sets best fit this class? Is Rapid strikes better than surprise attack?
Stamcro is still the parse boss with just above 93k, a hair ahead of stamblade. Keep in mind though that stamcro parses have Major Vulnerability in it but other classes don't so in real raid scenarios, stamblade will overtake stamcro by a decent margin. Stamplar is also very close to stamblade and stamcro and has easier rotations than either. Stamsorc is just behind at just over 90k DPS. StamDK and Stamden are lagging behind quite a bit. Like the previous Major Vuln example though, parses are a not true indicator of raid performance though. Sustain varies wildly across the classes, with stamblade having the best and stamdk probably the worst. Also Morag Tong usage will give stamcros and stamblades higher DPS in raids.10. And finally: is StamDK still ***? How OP is necro exactly compared to the rest?
nesakinter wrote: »Relequen got nerfed for parsing and static fights but buffed for most dynamic fights. Lokke will still be good but now as niche set. Especially not worth using with another Minor Slayer set anymore.1. Do Relequen and lokkestiiz still reign supreme? How is Selene doing?It has never been truly out of the meta and the buff it got makes it BiS again.2. Is Advancing Yokeda the new rising king?Relequen is still the stamina BiS set so....3. Is advancing yokeda best paired with Relequen or Lokkestiiz?I don't think so, the new AY is really strong.4. While deadly strike remains BiS on templar, can it be the new BiS for StamDK and StamSorc (with Rapid Strikes as spam)?Not better from I have seen but much closer because of the nerf, also due to the fact that we have another new 15% crit dmg support set. On classes like Stamblade and Stamplar, from my testing thief was giving me near identical results. For Stamcro though, Shadow is still better as we get max crit chance anyways in execute.5. Is Thief Mundus now better than Shadow on some classes? And if so, which ones?Nirn+Precise seems to be the way to go. 1xInfused+2xBT is looking to be the BiS stat combo. For execute heavy classes though like stamblade, 3xBT is the way to go.6. What are the new BiS weapon and jewelry traits? Is it still Axe Nirn Dagger Sharp and all bloodthirsty jewelry?It is worth it on cheaper ult classes like stamblade. But it like compete with Rele for usage so it depends on how dynanic the fight and how close your nearby DDs are.7. Does War Machine worth the trouble?Well, Morag Tong is going to make a return. If a support does not use it, it will fall on a DD to use it.8. Are there any new sets i might have missed that might contend for the top spot?Stamblade is virtually tied with Stamcro for parse DPS at nearly 93k. Every stamina DPS got nerfed by around 4k due to the overall changes this patch. But stamblade buffs essentially cancelled out the nerfs, resulting in them maintaining their Greymoor DPS.9. How noticeable is the buff StamBlade got? Can it compete with Necro and Templar yet? What sets best fit this class? Is Rapid strikes better than surprise attack?
For sets on stamblade, you want max possible crit so definitely AY. Relequen or War Machine depending on how dynamic the fight is.Stamcro is still the parse boss with just above 93k, a hair ahead of stamblade. Keep in mind though that stamcro parses have Major Vulnerability in it but other classes don't so in real raid scenarios, stamblade will overtake stamcro by a decent margin. Stamplar is also very close to stamblade and stamcro and has easier rotations than either. Stamsorc is just behind at just over 90k DPS. StamDK and Stamden are lagging behind quite a bit. Like the previous Major Vuln example though, parses are a not true indicator of raid performance though. Sustain varies wildly across the classes, with stamblade having the best and stamdk probably the worst. Also Morag Tong usage will give stamcros and stamblades higher DPS in raids.10. And finally: is StamDK still ***? How OP is necro exactly compared to the rest?
Hope these help. Someone way more experienced in raiding like @WrathOfInnos could probably give more detailed info.
VoidCommander wrote: »6. : Again, because of elemental catalyst, having higher crit chance will become very important. I imagine axe and dagger will still be the go to, but you will want precise for both of the traits. Bloodthirsty as of this current pts patch still outperforms infused by a sizable margin. I believe with 3 bloodthirsty versus 3 infused with weapon damage the bloodthirsty averages about 100 something more weapon/spell damage throughout the course of the fight. I have a post somewhere in the forums that elaborates on that in much greater detail.
VoidCommander wrote: »6. : Again, because of elemental catalyst, having higher crit chance will become very important. I imagine axe and dagger will still be the go to, but you will want precise for both of the traits. Bloodthirsty as of this current pts patch still outperforms infused by a sizable margin. I believe with 3 bloodthirsty versus 3 infused with weapon damage the bloodthirsty averages about 100 something more weapon/spell damage throughout the course of the fight. I have a post somewhere in the forums that elaborates on that in much greater detail.
elemental catalyst is a magicka dps set... not stamina like he ask for
@VoidCommander @Skjaldbjorn @nesakinter @WrathOfInnos thanks for the help guys! Very informative.
I'll parse rele+lokke compared to rele+AY and see how it goes.
Also nice tip on Pillar of Nirn! I might try it out.
Thing is I'm still not sure about off hand being precise over sharpened on a crit heavy class. I hope that the difference is big enough for it to show in a parse.
VoidCommander wrote: »7. : No it is not. There are plenty of magicka dps classes that need to be able to branch out from something other than false gods. Stamina have over 4 FANTASTIC dps sets to choose from. Magicka have 1-2 including master architect (sirorias is not counted due to not being viable in most content). Let the magicka users like the magicka necromancer use the Master architect set since they are forced to use high cost ultimates anyways.
VoidCommander wrote: »7. : No it is not. There are plenty of magicka dps classes that need to be able to branch out from something other than false gods. Stamina have over 4 FANTASTIC dps sets to choose from. Magicka have 1-2 including master architect (sirorias is not counted due to not being viable in most content). Let the magicka users like the magicka necromancer use the Master architect set since they are forced to use high cost ultimates anyways.
From a PVE noob looking to set up a stamcro for PVE: what are these 4 sets I should look into?
Rele?
Lok?
Deadly?
Just trying to get smart on some PVE
8. Are there any new sets i might have missed that might contend for the top spot?
WrathOfInnos wrote: »
I haven’t been in any stam cores in the last few months, so can’t comment personally. I’ve been hearing that Rele is still powerful on PTS, and more versatile. I expect we’ll see Rele + AY on most DPS with 3 Stamcros in War Machine. Maybe Stamplars would still use Deadly? I think that will end up beating everyone in AY + Lokke (although that’s an option if you need more cleave than Rele), since WM on colossus achieves average 60% Major Slayer uptime across the group (some could see 80%, but it only buffs 6 people so group average is lower), and it’s always synchronized with Major Vuln. We’ll have to see how it plays out in raids, but I’m expecting good things from stam this patch.