Arkasis set, no limit?

Firstmep · July 2020

Erm, yellow?

This set has no range as long as you and the group members are in the same zone.

Me and a friend just tested this in Reapers March and he was literally on the other end of the zone.

d3adpain · July 2020

saw it on the stream that thing need to be changed before it hit live
and people abuse it to ult dump every 2-3 sec in big or organized groups

RatchetKaar · July 2020

Seems balanced,

Who thought having no universal cooldown or range for that set would be a good idea on any type of content...

Knowing ZoS, they will probably nerf it to give 10 ulti in 5 meters radius and for 1 other teammate.

Instead of properly balance it to ahve 20m range and having a universal cooldown.

Imagine this set going on live and ppl sitting in cyro on spawn, keep inviting and kicking ppl to supply ultimate to their zerg...

Yeah, this set has infinite possibilities.. Pls nerf it with a proper hammer, not sledgehammer.

d3adpain · July 2020

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Nemesis7884 · July 2020

the cooldown is defined by the potion cooldown

and who cares about the range...why would you be in a group with someone on the other side of the map

red_emu · July 2020

It seems totally balanced. Now ball groups can use ultimates as spmmables, pair it with the new VD and you won't even need a healer. Just delete people.

With server performance as it is, it will be a 2 button gameplay, as long as you can coordinate on discord 😊

Shame, that this is the end of solo/small scale gameplay. I liked ESO a lot but with the proc/ulti dump meta incoming, there is no point even trying PvP unless you have time to run with ball groups.

bharathitman · July 2020

This set will definitely be used as a prebuff set in score pushing and achievement groups to delete trash packs and get an insane burst

satanio · July 2020

Was the following question answered? Can you somehow say who’ll get the ulti? The person with lowest current ulti? Is it completely random? Is it dependent on the order of group invitations?

Hope that there will be no nerf
Anyways,
With base CD - Tava is stronger.
With min pot CD arkasis(in group) is 1,3 u/s stronger.

Not that great if you consider you have to invest into potion speed...
As for the OP, the range thingy may need a bit of a change.

Arkangeloski · July 2020

Infused jewelry with pot cooldown enchantments 😋

Firstmep · July 2020

satanio wrote: »

Was the following question answered? Can you somehow say who’ll get the ulti? The person with lowest current ulti? Is it completely random? Is it dependent on the order of group invitations?

Hope that there will be no nerf
Anyways,
With base CD - Tava is stronger.
With min pot CD arkasis(in group) is 1,3 u/s stronger.

Not that great if you consider you have to invest into potion speed...
As for the OP, the range thingy may need a bit of a change.

Well this set doesnt require you to actually be in combat to get the ult.

And tavas gives you the user ulti, this set gives you AND 3 other groupmates that, so its already stronger that way.

And yeah the no limit on the range needs to be toned back.

Didnt have more ppl to test it with on pts, but if you are in a 4 man grp, all 4 ppl will get it.

Nemesis7884 · July 2020

well then give it a 30m range... this seems like such a non issue and easy fix

satanio · July 2020

Firstmep wrote: »

satanio wrote: »

Was the following question answered? Can you somehow say who’ll get the ulti? The person with lowest current ulti? Is it completely random? Is it dependent on the order of group invitations?

Hope that there will be no nerf
Anyways,
With base CD - Tava is stronger.
With min pot CD arkasis(in group) is 1,3 u/s stronger.

Not that great if you consider you have to invest into potion speed...
As for the OP, the range thingy may need a bit of a change.

Well this set doesnt require you to actually be in combat to get the ult.

And tavas gives you the user ulti, this set gives you AND 3 other groupmates that, so its already stronger that way.

And yeah the no limit on the range needs to be toned back.

Didnt have more ppl to test it with on pts, but if you are in a 4 man grp, all 4 ppl will get it.

I mean, with tava, you exactly know who'll get the ulti. With Arkasis's... not so much. Unless you are in a 4 man group as you have said.
It is a very nice new group support tool coming from a new DLC dungeon after some time and I hope that it will remain very nice.

Firstmep · July 2020

satanio wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

satanio wrote: »

Was the following question answered? Can you somehow say who’ll get the ulti? The person with lowest current ulti? Is it completely random? Is it dependent on the order of group invitations?

Hope that there will be no nerf
Anyways,
With base CD - Tava is stronger.
With min pot CD arkasis(in group) is 1,3 u/s stronger.

Not that great if you consider you have to invest into potion speed...
As for the OP, the range thingy may need a bit of a change.

Well this set doesnt require you to actually be in combat to get the ult.

And tavas gives you the user ulti, this set gives you AND 3 other groupmates that, so its already stronger that way.

And yeah the no limit on the range needs to be toned back.

Didnt have more ppl to test it with on pts, but if you are in a 4 man grp, all 4 ppl will get it.

I mean, with tava, you exactly know who'll get the ulti. With Arkasis's... not so much. Unless you are in a 4 man group as you have said.
It is a very nice new group support tool coming from a new DLC dungeon after some time and I hope that it will remain very nice.

Same with Arkasis, youll know who gets the ulti, EVERYONE XD.

bharathitman · July 2020

Can you have multiple arkasis procs on you? Let's say in a trial all 12 people switch to this set before a fight and drink potions, will arkasis proc on you multiple times? Or does the cooldown work in such a way that you can have only one arkasis (44 ulti) proc on you once every 30 seconds?

As I understand it currently, you can make use of arkasis set on yourself once every 30 seconds (with pot cooldowns), but the effect that you get from multiple group members using it is not yet clear. If it has no limits then this will be one of those must have prebuff sets

Rianai · July 2020

bharathitman wrote: »

Can you have multiple arkasis procs on you? Let's say in a trial all 12 people switch to this set before a fight and drink potions, will arkasis proc on you multiple times? Or does the cooldown work in such a way that you can have only one arkasis (44 ulti) proc on you once every 30 seconds?

As I understand it currently, you can make use of arkasis set on yourself once every 30 seconds (with pot cooldowns), but the effect that you get from multiple group members using it is not yet clear. If it has no limits then this will be one of those must have prebuff sets

The cd only applies to the activation of the proc, but not on the receiving end. So multiple players can proc the set multiple times on each other.

robpr · July 2020

Great for server performance, you dont have to check for allies in range if range is unlimited

Firstmep · July 2020

bharathitman wrote: »

Can you have multiple arkasis procs on you? Let's say in a trial all 12 people switch to this set before a fight and drink potions, will arkasis proc on you multiple times? Or does the cooldown work in such a way that you can have only one arkasis (44 ulti) proc on you once every 30 seconds?

As I understand it currently, you can make use of arkasis set on yourself once every 30 seconds (with pot cooldowns), but the effect that you get from multiple group members using it is not yet clear. If it has no limits then this will be one of those must have prebuff sets

I will try to get a large group on pts to test it, but no promises.
Mutiple ppl using does what the set says, the user and 3 other group members get the 44 ult.
Don't know if we can control who gets it, but on PC you can just put this on with 1 keybind and get at least 44 ult yourself.

Ratzkifal · July 2020

A global range is probably easier for the server to handle than another set that asks the server "is everyone in range?"
Besides, it only applies to 3 people and is tied to potion cooldowns, it doesn't seem all that abusable.

They could change it to only being able to affect the same target once every 30 seconds so a group of 4 can't run multiples of that set for permanent ult spam (although that would still take some coordination on their part for them to not mess it up).

jaws343 · July 2020

Ratzkifal wrote: »

A global range is probably easier for the server to handle than another set that asks the server "is everyone in range?"
Besides, it only applies to 3 people and is tied to potion cooldowns, it doesn't seem all that abusable.

They could change it to only being able to affect the same target once every 30 seconds so a group of 4 can't run multiples of that set for permanent ult spam (although that would still take some coordination on their part for them to not mess it up).

I can see it being abused in cyrodil though. Players could sit up on the keep wall and feed ultimate to their teammate brawling down below without being anywhere near them. It really should be limited within healing range.

Cinbri · July 2020

jaws343 wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

A global range is probably easier for the server to handle than another set that asks the server "is everyone in range?"
Besides, it only applies to 3 people and is tied to potion cooldowns, it doesn't seem all that abusable.

They could change it to only being able to affect the same target once every 30 seconds so a group of 4 can't run multiples of that set for permanent ult spam (although that would still take some coordination on their part for them to not mess it up).

I can see it being abused in cyrodil though. Players could sit up on the keep wall and feed ultimate to their teammate brawling down below without being anywhere near them. It really should be limited within healing range.

Ye, it will be abused hard but on other side in pvp with range limit set will fully benefit only ball-groups, and thats pretty annoying that every utility set always benefit most brainless gameplay simply coz "stack harder" mechanics.