The Perfected False God's nerf has got to be one of the most bizarre changes this patch.
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carlos424✭✭✭✭✭Because it was suuuper strong.
Compare live pFG with live pSiroria.
Until you have 5 stacks pFG does more dps.
Read that again and think about how OP FG is as the "sustain" set. You need 6+ stacks of siroria to start doing more dps, and if you lose them you should have just run FG.
Now on PTS siroria and false god have the same amount of stats. Getting any stacks at all means siroria will do more dps than FG.
FG is the sustain set from trials.
Siroria is the pure dps set from trials
Moondancer is half and half.
Master Arch is the group dps buff set
Infal is the bad dps set.
I have no idea what Roaring Opportunist is meant to be.Playboy_Shrek wrote: »you mean having 3, 5 item bonuses is okay? its way too much.
tho they really need to go back and update old trial sets and the old trials in general, craglorn ones needs big updates
Ya, so get rid of everything except the cost reduction. Then add the max mag for perfected. Problem solved.
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WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Playboy_Shrek wrote: »you mean having 3, 5 item bonuses is okay? its way too much.
tho they really need to go back and update old trial sets and the old trials in general, craglorn ones needs big updates
Each of the bonuses was weaker than a typical 5pc bonus. Comparing the number of different items on a list is meaningless without looking at their relative value.Because it was suuuper strong.
Compare live pFG with live pSiroria.
Until you have 5 stacks pFG does more dps.
Read that again and think about how OP FG is as the "sustain" set. You need 6+ stacks of siroria to start doing more dps, and if you lose them you should have just run FG.
Now on PTS siroria and false god have the same amount of stats. Getting any stacks at all means siroria will do more dps than FG.
FG is the sustain set from trials.
Siroria is the pure dps set from trials
Moondancer is half and half.
Master Arch is the group dps buff set
Infal is the bad dps set.
I have no idea what Roaring Opportunist is meant to be.
IMO it seems like a poor design choice to make Perfected False Gods weaker than normal Moondancer in damage, and often sustain (if kills are not happening frequently).
Normal False Gods should be balanced with Moondancer, as it was before this change. Hopefully they’ll create a Perfected Moondancer and VO at some point, and they can be equivalent to Perfected FGD, no reason to bring it down to their normal version now, while simultaneously making normal FGD extremely weak.
RIP vSS farm runs, everyone should just run nMoL now.
Edit: I’ll also add that the break even point between False Gods and Siroria for damage is now 2 stacks. That seems a little too easy to hit. Don’t get me wrong, I like the new Siroria, it seems tuned appropriately for the effort required (the old version was a little too difficult to maintain and punishing if stacks were lost). With the change to FGD though, it’s not even a choice anymore, Siroria will beat it every time on every fight, even if you walk out of the circle and let stacks fall off constantly.Edited by WrathOfInnos on July 22, 2020 9:58PM5 -
carlos424✭✭✭✭✭Because it was suuuper strong.
Compare live pFG with live pSiroria.
Until you have 5 stacks pFG does more dps.
Read that again and think about how OP FG is as the "sustain" set. You need 6+ stacks of siroria to start doing more dps, and if you lose them you should have just run FG.
Now on PTS siroria and false god have the same amount of stats. Getting any stacks at all means siroria will do more dps than FG.
FG is the sustain set from trials.
Siroria is the pure dps set from trials
Moondancer is half and half.
Master Arch is the group dps buff set
Infal is the bad dps set.
I have no idea what Roaring Opportunist is meant to be.
It might start off stronger because of the 2 crit bonuses (which many many other sets have) and the fact that sororia starts off with zero spell damage stacks. Plus the 5% minor slayer which, if not on false god’s, would make it decon material.
Edited by carlos424 on July 22, 2020 10:00PM1 -
MrBrownstone✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm against this nerf as well. It cannot ne compared to Vicious Ophidian at all.
However, i find it funny what your friend did. Why she needed that +1k max Magicka if she cannot do veteran content? Paying 5m gold for 1096 Max Magicka doesn't make sense2 -
Suna_Ye_Sunnabe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Agreed. There shouldn't be a comparison between perfected and normal gear in the first place, much less between a simple, normal Craglorn trial and something like a veteran dlc, in which you must successfully kill the bosses to obtain the loot at all. Furthermore, last time I checked, stamina and magicka are leagues apart in play style. Why are we standardizing apples and oranges against each other?? Beyond the mere insult of it all, that's my greatest gripe with this proposed rubbish. You simply cannot standardize classes and play types that aren't even remotely the same!Angua Anyammis Ae Sunna5 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
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She paid for the entire set, not just one line of magicka. As far as I know she's never even attempted a normal trial.MrBrownstone wrote: »I'm against this nerf as well. It cannot ne compared to Vicious Ophidian at all.
However, i find it funny what your friend did. Why she needed that +1k max Magicka if she cannot do veteran content? Paying 5m gold for 1096 Max Magicka doesn't make sense0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »part of it might be PVP balancing.
this is a big issue Eso have by years. Changes made for 5% (maybe less) of playerbase can afflict the whole game.
i really like pvp but it would be better if they got him out of the game
Always find a way to blame PvP regardless of the facts.1 -
pink_panther✭✭✭I Just hate the Pfg changes. Spent also hours in vSS with pugs and guilds.
Comparing normal sets with perfected makes no sense. If I have to farm another set and stupid Transmutation crystalls again I will quit this game.2 -
IonicKai✭✭✭✭Comparing VO to perfected false gods is nonsense. It's comical that VO (a set that drops from 3 different trials ) is some how the perfected version of quick serpent (a set that drops from a single trial). That justification doesn't make sense. Comparisons between VO and non perfected false gods make sense. Similar difficulty for similar gear utility.
Perfected false gods is a consequence of having perfected sets and the expectation at least from my point of view was that we would probably see a perfected version of VO, moon dancer, MA, etc (along with any other primary drop sets) that followed the same rules as perfected false gods (only drops from bosses on vet and you can get a double drop for hm). This would have been the logical direction and the one that didn't upset players as it made sense following prior changes.
Even if they had left the old sets alone that would have been better than the proposed change. PFG is significantly more difficult to get and far rarer since it doesn't drop in the chests for the trial. Teams literally don't loot the chests on vet sunspire because it's a waste of space. All you are doing with this change is annoying your veteran players by making gear slightly less useful in order to encourage some arbitrary vision without giving us the means to achieve it.
Changes like this take away options and hurt lower level players more than the nerf to veterans. It does the opposite of the supposedly desired goal of raising the floor and lowering the ceiling as you just made non perfected false gods (the easy set for low level/ new players to get) too weak. This pushes them further away from content and makes their lives harder.
Also pro tip. If the goal was to make it so that PFG isn't the set that almost every mag dps wears in all trials then maybe you should take a hard look at sustain and loosen that a bit so that sustain is more forgiving to normal players. In an ideal world i would think PFG should be near BiS but sustain should be in a place where it wasn't mandatory. If it was preferred in certain situations (vMA for example) where you are self reliant but only required for trials if you weren't an optimized player in an optimized group that would be the ideal position for the set.
Edit: TyposEdited by IonicKai on July 23, 2020 7:15AM8 -
Stahlor✭✭✭✭✭After this change, it might actually be worth running moondancer again on the front bar only - but hey - how suprising - moondancer gets a nerf, too...0
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭After this change, it might actually be worth running moondancer again on the front bar only - but hey - how suprising - moondancer gets a nerf, too...
I've actually been playing around with Moondancer on PTS; when the shadow blessing kicks in, it's like having Siroria without the movement restrictions, and when the lunar blessing kicks in, it's more or less on par with current PFG on live, but I wouldn't one bar it in case you get stuck trying to get the shadow blessing instead of dealing damage (5pc body worked best for me). The problem is that you can't control which blessing you get (even if you blessing-hunt with synergies), although my parses did seem to have a bias for shadow. The change to 20s instead of 30s is not that big (can easily change blessing with a new synergy also) and the increase value for each blessing is actually quite decent. I'd say with the loss of max magicka on PFG and the loss of spell damage on the normal FG, either set of player who used false god for sustain and has a hard time without it should be looking at Moondancer, whereas if sustain isn't an issue, Siroria with the reduced movement restrictions next patch is the way forward.
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VO is 2014/15 version of perfected set for Quick Serpent. Perfected False God is 2018/20 version of perfected set for regular False God.
That's ridiculous. You and ZOS can keep repeating that, but it's just plain wrong. It's not a perfected version... They just happen to be similar. They both drop on NORMAL. The whole idea of perfected sets was added after Craglorn to incentivize people to farm the harder content. VO doesn't incentivize anyone to do veteran because, again, it drops on NORMAL!
Personally I don't really care about the inconsistency in drop difficulty. Nerfing gear that people spent many many hours getting after the fact is just a slap in the face.
Quick Serpent literally share same purpose and loot droptable where quick serpent is common drop on normal and VO rare and opposite on veteran. You can keep crying about it but you dont change the fact current way perfected sets work is just reimagination of that concept from Craglorn trials.
Claiming whole idea was created after Craglorn is just BS. First after Craglorn attempt at this same set design happened with Asylum weapons in 2017 where set bonuses itself were different and drooped only from vAS+2 and after that Summerset 2018 where you needed at least vcr+1 for any kind of armor pieces to Murkmire where perfected weapons dropped just for doing veteran content which is current trend. Its literally the same idea that changed overtime.
Your and everyone elses in this thread ONLY nonsinking argument to stand on is to demand VO to not be at all dropable on normal. To put it to the same way perfected False God is dropping because they are CLEARLY the same sets.Edited by SodanTok on July 23, 2020 12:13PM3 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭VO is 2014/15 version of perfected set for Quick Serpent. Perfected False God is 2018/20 version of perfected set for regular False God.
That's ridiculous. You and ZOS can keep repeating that, but it's just plain wrong. It's not a perfected version... They just happen to be similar. They both drop on NORMAL. The whole idea of perfected sets was added after Craglorn to incentivize people to farm the harder content. VO doesn't incentivize anyone to do veteran because, again, it drops on NORMAL!
Personally I don't really care about the inconsistency in drop difficulty. Nerfing gear that people spent many many hours getting after the fact is just a slap in the face.
Quick Serpent literally share same purpose and loot droptable where quick serpent is common drop on normal and VO rare and opposite on veteran. You can keep crying about it but you dont change the fact current way perfected sets work is just reimagination of that concept from Craglorn trials.
Claiming whole idea was created after Craglorn is just BS. First after Craglorn attempt at this same set design happened with Asylum weapons in 2017 where set bonuses itself were different and drooped only from vAS+2 and after that Summerset 2018 where you needed at least vcr+1 for any kind of armor pieces to Murkmire where perfected weapons dropped just for doing veteran content which is current trend. Its literally the same idea that changed overtime.
Exactly, it's the same concept but manifest with better separation. That doesn't change the fact that PFG changes are bizarre though in the grand scheme of things. Set and power equivalence for stam vs mag is an awkward point of reference for me; when we consider the RoI on mag abilities compared to stamina, that extra line of resource most likely did provide better power equivalence than the set without it.
Edited by mairwen85 on July 23, 2020 12:15PM1 -
IonicKai✭✭✭✭VO is 2014/15 version of perfected set for Quick Serpent. Perfected False God is 2018/20 version of perfected set for regular False God.
That's ridiculous. You and ZOS can keep repeating that, but it's just plain wrong. It's not a perfected version... They just happen to be similar. They both drop on NORMAL. The whole idea of perfected sets was added after Craglorn to incentivize people to farm the harder content. VO doesn't incentivize anyone to do veteran because, again, it drops on NORMAL!
Personally I don't really care about the inconsistency in drop difficulty. Nerfing gear that people spent many many hours getting after the fact is just a slap in the face.
Quick Serpent literally share same purpose and loot droptable where quick serpent is common drop on normal and VO rare and opposite on veteran. You can keep crying about it but you dont change the fact current way perfected sets work is just reimagination of that concept from Craglorn trials.
Claiming whole idea was created after Craglorn is just BS. First after Craglorn attempt at this same set design happened with Asylum weapons in 2017 where set bonuses itself were different and drooped only from vAS+2 and after that Summerset 2018 where you needed at least vcr+1 for any kind of armor pieces to Murkmire where perfected weapons dropped just for doing veteran content which is current trend. Its literally the same idea that changed overtime.
Your and everyone elses in this thread ONLY nonsinking argument to stand on is to demand VO to not be at all dropable on normal. To put it to the same way perfected False God is dropping because they are CLEARLY the same sets.
But it's not the same. VO comes from 3 different trials. Quick serpent is in one. They aren't part of the same drop table they are separate....5 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VO is 2014/15 version of perfected set for Quick Serpent. Perfected False God is 2018/20 version of perfected set for regular False God.
That's ridiculous. You and ZOS can keep repeating that, but it's just plain wrong. It's not a perfected version... They just happen to be similar. They both drop on NORMAL. The whole idea of perfected sets was added after Craglorn to incentivize people to farm the harder content. VO doesn't incentivize anyone to do veteran because, again, it drops on NORMAL!
Personally I don't really care about the inconsistency in drop difficulty. Nerfing gear that people spent many many hours getting after the fact is just a slap in the face.
Quick Serpent literally share same purpose and loot droptable where quick serpent is common drop on normal and VO rare and opposite on veteran. You can keep crying about it but you dont change the fact current way perfected sets work is just reimagination of that concept from Craglorn trials.
Claiming whole idea was created after Craglorn is just BS. First after Craglorn attempt at this same set design happened with Asylum weapons in 2017 where set bonuses itself were different and drooped only from vAS+2 and after that Summerset 2018 where you needed at least vcr+1 for any kind of armor pieces to Murkmire where perfected weapons dropped just for doing veteran content which is current trend. Its literally the same idea that changed overtime.
Your and everyone elses in this thread ONLY nonsinking argument to stand on is to demand VO to not be at all dropable on normal. To put it to the same way perfected False God is dropping because they are CLEARLY the same sets.
But it's not the same. VO comes from 3 different trials. Quick serpent is in one. They aren't part of the same drop table they are separate....
[snip]
Craglorn trials have 3 sets and 3 improved versions of them. Quick Serpent with VO, Wise Mage with IA, Immortal Warrior with Eternal Yokeda. Their droprate is supressed on veteran difficulty in favor of the improved version.
[snip] 6 years ago the game worked differently. Lets be clear what the issue really is, some set people liked, farmed and golded out got nerfed and this is nothing but complaining about the loss not that reason doesnt make sense. [snip]
[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 27, 2020 10:34AM3 -
carlos424✭✭✭✭✭VO is 2014/15 version of perfected set for Quick Serpent. Perfected False God is 2018/20 version of perfected set for regular False God.
That's ridiculous. You and ZOS can keep repeating that, but it's just plain wrong. It's not a perfected version... They just happen to be similar. They both drop on NORMAL. The whole idea of perfected sets was added after Craglorn to incentivize people to farm the harder content. VO doesn't incentivize anyone to do veteran because, again, it drops on NORMAL!
Personally I don't really care about the inconsistency in drop difficulty. Nerfing gear that people spent many many hours getting after the fact is just a slap in the face.
Quick Serpent literally share same purpose and loot droptable where quick serpent is common drop on normal and VO rare and opposite on veteran. You can keep crying about it but you dont change the fact current way perfected sets work is just reimagination of that concept from Craglorn trials.
Claiming whole idea was created after Craglorn is just BS. First after Craglorn attempt at this same set design happened with Asylum weapons in 2017 where set bonuses itself were different and drooped only from vAS+2 and after that Summerset 2018 where you needed at least vcr+1 for any kind of armor pieces to Murkmire where perfected weapons dropped just for doing veteran content which is current trend. Its literally the same idea that changed overtime.
Your and everyone elses in this thread ONLY nonsinking argument to stand on is to demand VO to not be at all dropable on normal. To put it to the same way perfected False God is dropping because they are CLEARLY the same sets.
But it's not the same. VO comes from 3 different trials. Quick serpent is in one. They aren't part of the same drop table they are separate....
[snip]
Craglorn trials have 3 sets and 3 improved versions of them. Quick Serpent with VO, Wise Mage with IA, Immortal Warrior with Eternal Yokeda. Their droprate is supressed on veteran difficulty in favor of the improved version.
[snip] 6 years ago the game worked differently. Lets be clear what the issue really is, some set people liked, farmed and golded out got nerfed and this is nothing but complaining about the loss not that reason doesnt make sense. [snip]
Yes, the nerf makes these sets identical? Can you get VO on normal? How about the false god’s equivalent? Therein lies the rub. To be on par with each other the equivalent should drop on the normal difficulty, and should also drop from chests just like Craglorn trials. I know, lets just take away the normal version of Sunspire, and make everybody have to run vet. Thats what you will now have to do to get the equivalent of a VO set you can get by running a normal craglorn trial. Makes perfect sense.
Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 27, 2020 10:36AM7 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VO is 2014/15 version of perfected set for Quick Serpent. Perfected False God is 2018/20 version of perfected set for regular False God.
That's ridiculous. You and ZOS can keep repeating that, but it's just plain wrong. It's not a perfected version... They just happen to be similar. They both drop on NORMAL. The whole idea of perfected sets was added after Craglorn to incentivize people to farm the harder content. VO doesn't incentivize anyone to do veteran because, again, it drops on NORMAL!
Personally I don't really care about the inconsistency in drop difficulty. Nerfing gear that people spent many many hours getting after the fact is just a slap in the face.
Quick Serpent literally share same purpose and loot droptable where quick serpent is common drop on normal and VO rare and opposite on veteran. You can keep crying about it but you dont change the fact current way perfected sets work is just reimagination of that concept from Craglorn trials.
Claiming whole idea was created after Craglorn is just BS. First after Craglorn attempt at this same set design happened with Asylum weapons in 2017 where set bonuses itself were different and drooped only from vAS+2 and after that Summerset 2018 where you needed at least vcr+1 for any kind of armor pieces to Murkmire where perfected weapons dropped just for doing veteran content which is current trend. Its literally the same idea that changed overtime.
Your and everyone elses in this thread ONLY nonsinking argument to stand on is to demand VO to not be at all dropable on normal. To put it to the same way perfected False God is dropping because they are CLEARLY the same sets.
But it's not the same. VO comes from 3 different trials. Quick serpent is in one. They aren't part of the same drop table they are separate....
[snip]
Craglorn trials have 3 sets and 3 improved versions of them. Quick Serpent with VO, Wise Mage with IA, Immortal Warrior with Eternal Yokeda. Their droprate is supressed on veteran difficulty in favor of the improved version.
[snip] 6 years ago the game worked differently. Lets be clear what the issue really is, some set people liked, farmed and golded out got nerfed and this is nothing but complaining about the loss not that reason doesnt make sense. [snip]
It’s not really that simple though. It’s not one vet medium Craglorn trial set (VO) and one normal medium Craglorn trial set (QS).
It’s one set (VO) that mostly comes from vet (80% drop rate) spread across 3 trials, that can also be obtained on normal (with a 20% drop rate). And accompanying that are 3 other medium sets: Quick Serpent, Poisonous Serpent, and Twice Fanged Serpent. Each of these drops from one of the 3 Craglorn trials, and has an 80% drop rate on normal and 20% on vet. There’s no pattern of relative power between these, and you couldn’t make the argument that VO is the perfected version of TFS if running Sanctum, the stats are completely different and TFS is often stronger than VO in any context where Physical Pen is needed.
To further complicate things, none of the 4 sets mentioned above are even the meta stamina DPS set from Craglorn trials. That role falls to the “normal” heavy set from HRC, Advancing Yokeda. Would anyone claim that Eternal Yokeda (the “vet” heavy set from HRC) is the Perfected version of AY? I don’t think so because that would be nonsense. Additionally, can you imagine how nice it would be if there was a Perfected version of AY that could drop from vHRC and contained an additional stat bonus? That would certainly better than VO or EY, but the perfected system didn’t exist at the time and does not apply to Craglorn trials loot.
There’s just not any sort of 1 to 1 comparison between the old loot structuring and what we seen in more recent trials, and forcing one to justify an unjustifiable change to False Gods doesn’t really help the argument.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 27, 2020 10:37AM4 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »VO is 2014/15 version of perfected set for Quick Serpent. Perfected False God is 2018/20 version of perfected set for regular False God.
That's ridiculous. You and ZOS can keep repeating that, but it's just plain wrong. It's not a perfected version... They just happen to be similar. They both drop on NORMAL. The whole idea of perfected sets was added after Craglorn to incentivize people to farm the harder content. VO doesn't incentivize anyone to do veteran because, again, it drops on NORMAL!
Personally I don't really care about the inconsistency in drop difficulty. Nerfing gear that people spent many many hours getting after the fact is just a slap in the face.
Quick Serpent literally share same purpose and loot droptable where quick serpent is common drop on normal and VO rare and opposite on veteran. You can keep crying about it but you dont change the fact current way perfected sets work is just reimagination of that concept from Craglorn trials.
Claiming whole idea was created after Craglorn is just BS. First after Craglorn attempt at this same set design happened with Asylum weapons in 2017 where set bonuses itself were different and drooped only from vAS+2 and after that Summerset 2018 where you needed at least vcr+1 for any kind of armor pieces to Murkmire where perfected weapons dropped just for doing veteran content which is current trend. Its literally the same idea that changed overtime.
Your and everyone elses in this thread ONLY nonsinking argument to stand on is to demand VO to not be at all dropable on normal. To put it to the same way perfected False God is dropping because they are CLEARLY the same sets.
But it's not the same. VO comes from 3 different trials. Quick serpent is in one. They aren't part of the same drop table they are separate....
[snip]
Craglorn trials have 3 sets and 3 improved versions of them. Quick Serpent with VO, Wise Mage with IA, Immortal Warrior with Eternal Yokeda. Their droprate is supressed on veteran difficulty in favor of the improved version.
[snip] 6 years ago the game worked differently. Lets be clear what the issue really is, some set people liked, farmed and golded out got nerfed and this is nothing but complaining about the loss not that reason doesnt make sense. [snip]
It’s not really that simple though. It’s not one vet medium Craglorn trial set (VO) and one normal medium Craglorn trial set (QS).
It’s one set (VO) that mostly comes from vet (80% drop rate) spread across 3 trials, that can also be obtained on normal (with a 20% drop rate). And accompanying that are 3 other medium sets: Quick Serpent, Poisonous Serpent, and Twice Fanged Serpent. Each of these drops from one of the 3 Craglorn trials, and has an 80% drop rate on normal and 20% on vet. There’s no pattern of relative power between these, and you couldn’t make the argument that VO is the perfected version of TFS if running Sanctum, the stats are completely different and TFS is often stronger than VO in any context where Physical Pen is needed.
To further complicate things, none of the 4 sets mentioned above are even the meta stamina DPS set from Craglorn trials. That role falls to the “normal” heavy set from HRC, Advancing Yokeda. Would anyone claim that Eternal Yokeda (the “vet” heavy set from HRC) is the Perfected version of AY? I don’t think so because that would be nonsense. Additionally, can you imagine how nice it would be if there was a Perfected version of AY that could drop from vHRC and contained an additional stat bonus? That would certainly better than VO or EY, but the perfected system didn’t exist at the time and does not apply to Craglorn trials loot.
There’s just not any sort of 1 to 1 comparison between the old loot structuring and what we seen in more recent trials, and forcing one to justify an unjustifiable change to False Gods doesn’t really help the argument.
Don't forget how incredibly easy Craglorn trials are. Sunspire is quite the commitment in comparison.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 27, 2020 10:38AM6 -
IonicKai✭✭✭✭VO is 2014/15 version of perfected set for Quick Serpent. Perfected False God is 2018/20 version of perfected set for regular False God.
That's ridiculous. You and ZOS can keep repeating that, but it's just plain wrong. It's not a perfected version... They just happen to be similar. They both drop on NORMAL. The whole idea of perfected sets was added after Craglorn to incentivize people to farm the harder content. VO doesn't incentivize anyone to do veteran because, again, it drops on NORMAL!
Personally I don't really care about the inconsistency in drop difficulty. Nerfing gear that people spent many many hours getting after the fact is just a slap in the face.
Quick Serpent literally share same purpose and loot droptable where quick serpent is common drop on normal and VO rare and opposite on veteran. You can keep crying about it but you dont change the fact current way perfected sets work is just reimagination of that concept from Craglorn trials.
Claiming whole idea was created after Craglorn is just BS. First after Craglorn attempt at this same set design happened with Asylum weapons in 2017 where set bonuses itself were different and drooped only from vAS+2 and after that Summerset 2018 where you needed at least vcr+1 for any kind of armor pieces to Murkmire where perfected weapons dropped just for doing veteran content which is current trend. Its literally the same idea that changed overtime.
Your and everyone elses in this thread ONLY nonsinking argument to stand on is to demand VO to not be at all dropable on normal. To put it to the same way perfected False God is dropping because they are CLEARLY the same sets.
But it's not the same. VO comes from 3 different trials. Quick serpent is in one. They aren't part of the same drop table they are separate....
[snip]
Craglorn trials have 3 sets and 3 improved versions of them. Quick Serpent with VO, Wise Mage with IA, Immortal Warrior with Eternal Yokeda. Their droprate is supressed on veteran difficulty in favor of the improved version.
[snip] 6 years ago the game worked differently. Lets be clear what the issue really is, some set people liked, farmed and golded out got nerfed and this is nothing but complaining about the loss not that reason doesnt make sense. [snip]
It's not though. One of the three possible unique stam sets is somewhat similar to VO. That doesn't make VO the perfected version of it. By that logic where does twice fang fit? Also perhaps try not using insults and instead just explain your logic. It's rude and unnecessary.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 27, 2020 10:39AM5 -
miawmiaw1337✭✭✭really zos i spent weeks farming vss and now you nerf false god ? Sustain is so terrible i cant wear any other sets. When i see changes like this it makes me wonder why do i even play this game anymore ? Perfected false god should never be compared to vicious ophidian since it drops in normal. I farmed vss to get perfected false god jewelry until my eyes bleed.1
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FinrodMacBeorn✭✭✭miawmiaw1337 wrote: »really zos i spent weeks farming vss and now you nerf false god ? Sustain is so terrible i cant wear any other sets. When i see changes like this it makes me wonder why do i even play this game anymore ? Perfected false god should never be compared to vicious ophidian since it drops in normal. I farmed vss to get perfected false god jewelry until my eyes bleed.
Not to forget, that VO - in particular jewelry and weapons - drops not only from bosses, but from an ample number of chests, whereas in vSS you have exactly 3 chances for PFG. So, if this change goes through, than at least it would be only fair if chests in vSS drop perfected gear, too.6 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FinrodMacBeorn wrote: »miawmiaw1337 wrote: »really zos i spent weeks farming vss and now you nerf false god ? Sustain is so terrible i cant wear any other sets. When i see changes like this it makes me wonder why do i even play this game anymore ? Perfected false god should never be compared to vicious ophidian since it drops in normal. I farmed vss to get perfected false god jewelry until my eyes bleed.
Not to forget, that VO - in particular jewelry and weapons - drops not only from bosses, but from an ample number of chests, whereas in vSS you have exactly 3 chances for PFG. So, if this change goes through, than at least it would be only fair if chests in vSS drop perfected gear, too.
Agreed, farming the pfg inferno is a pain in the rear. It’s not an engaging trial on normal vet either, just a lot of dummy dragon [snip] unless you’re in the Navi portal group.
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AinSoph✭✭✭✭✭Why on earth would you downgrade a DLC Trial set to work as a base game trial set instead of the other way around?4 -
mattaeus01b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭This change is absolute GARBAGE.
My question is, are they making Vicious Ophidian only obtainable on Vet bosses now? you know, to bring it in line with the crap they are doing to Perfected False gods? Or can we now farm PERFECTED out vetSS out of CHESTS?
HELL NO!
Here is a fix. STOP PUTTING IN NEW SETS WITH CRAPPY MECHANICS!
No one wants to swing a dead chicken over head while hopping on one foot and chanting their mantra backwards before they tap their left foot 3 times and cast a spell.
.... Just saying.Player 1 "You all suck, dont you know how to play this game?"
Player 2 "Huh?"
Player 1 "just run passed everything!"
Player 3 "We could just kill them on the way"
Player 4 "Why am I 89% of total DPS, one of the only ones that Qued as DPS, and yet in a group with 3 other DPS that cant seem to kill the basic mobs in a normal dungeon, and being told I suck?"
Player 1 "Whatever, GFL"
Player 1 has left the group...2 -
They even spell stragetist, new moon acolyte and siroria.this patch is just *** and all over the place1 -
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✭✭✭Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »furiouslog wrote: »Why is the solution not to make a Perfected version of VO and have it drop only in vet trials?
Because Stam doesn't need sustain. It needs damage. VO isn't meta in any context outside of maybe vma. Though I just slot consuming for trash pack instead.
They did not nerf it because they compared it to VO. That's just the excuse they gave. Really they saw how much it was used and they touched it.
Not to make a stab at him but if the set appears in an alcast guide you bet your ass zos gonna nerf it. Because 80% of the population will swarm to that bis as god spoken law. Then zos like welp this invalidates our other patch sets so they sledge hammer the decent sets.1 -
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✭This has been one of my biggest problems with the whole concept of gap closing between end game and non end game.
Craglorn trials are not hard, Veteran Hardmodes were being wiped in 30-40 minutes in 2016, the sets aren't perfected, and so seeing a set like PFG get screwed over to balance with sets that literally anyone can get, feels...cheap.
The point of having perfected versions is that they're ahead of their counterparts. There is no Perfect V/O and comparing it to FG is just poor thinking when you look at the gaps between skills necessary to acquire them.5 -
IonicKai✭✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »furiouslog wrote: »Why is the solution not to make a Perfected version of VO and have it drop only in vet trials?
Because Stam doesn't need sustain. It needs damage. VO isn't meta in any context outside of maybe vma. Though I just slot consuming for trash pack instead.
They did not nerf it because they compared it to VO. That's just the excuse they gave. Really they saw how much it was used and they touched it.
Not to make a stab at him but if the set appears in an alcast guide you bet your ass zos gonna nerf it. Because 80% of the population will swarm to that bis as god spoken law. Then zos like welp this invalidates our other patch sets so they sledge hammer the decent sets.
80% of the ESO population is getting the bigger nerf here with the removal of a line item from normal false gods.... Which is the appropriate set to measure VO against. On live regular false gods is better than a fair number of sets though It is weaker than PFG. With this change regular false gods may as well be non-set gear because you are better off with julianos which is not even crafted BiS anymore.....2 -
Shadesofkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mettaricana wrote: »Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »furiouslog wrote: »Why is the solution not to make a Perfected version of VO and have it drop only in vet trials?
Because Stam doesn't need sustain. It needs damage. VO isn't meta in any context outside of maybe vma. Though I just slot consuming for trash pack instead.
They did not nerf it because they compared it to VO. That's just the excuse they gave. Really they saw how much it was used and they touched it.
Not to make a stab at him but if the set appears in an alcast guide you bet your ass zos gonna nerf it. Because 80% of the population will swarm to that bis as god spoken law. Then zos like welp this invalidates our other patch sets so they sledge hammer the decent sets.
80% of the ESO population is getting the bigger nerf here with the removal of a line item from normal false gods.... Which is the appropriate set to measure VO against. On live regular false gods is better than a fair number of sets though It is weaker than PFG. With this change regular false gods may as well be non-set gear because you are better off with julianos which is not even crafted BiS anymore.....
This is exactly the problem
Normal False Gods, a set that any lower to mid tier player can get with some effort and time, is now trash in comparison to Julianos a set that takes almost no effort to get4 -
ol_BANK_lo✭✭✭✭✭I mean, considering this set was used in almost 100% of optimal mag dps setups and also was probably the best solo mag set... is it really that surprising that it got nerfed? It was clearly overloaded.
Relequen got nerfed as well.
This was already pointed out a year ago to ZOS. As always, they ignored player feedback and are now surprised that people are mad for having their time wasted.
Same goes for the Stranglers and BfB.
PFG is literally the mag version of Viscious Ophidian with 1 more max piece, and VO has never been changed. A perfected set should have at least one more bonus to it than a non-perfected set. VO can be acquired on normal in an easy trial. PFG can only be acquired on vet in a tougher DLC trial. What in the world do the devs smoke over there???
It literally is them just being butt hurt that one set gets used a lot. VO gets used situationally and never gets changed. PFG has the one extra bonus it should have for being PFG (and they knew that when they made the set), and but since it is used by all mag classes, they have to nerf it.
Hitting my head against the wall at these devs. Like seriously.3