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The Perfected False God's nerf has got to be one of the most bizarre changes this patch.
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As far as I know, literally no one was complaining about it.
It was kind of an "aspirational set" — if you complete this difficult content (impossible for some) you will get the best magicka DPS sustain set in the game. Now it's not much better (if indeed it is at all better) than a craftable set requiring only 6 traits.
I don't even play PVE much, (I avoid it at all costs, honestly) and I don't have or want this set, so the nerf doesn't affect me in the least. But I have a friend (she mostly does crafting and trading, overland content, with the occasional dungeon — more often than not, normals) who just spent 5 million gold for one vSS run, and was lucky enough to get all the pieces she needed to complete a set of PFG. Did she need it? Hell no — as far as I know, she doesn't even do vet DLC. But she sure was excited to show me her new gear. I don't have the heart to tell her what a waste that 5 mil was.
I know it was only a line of magicka (a line of spell damage on the normal version) but that's not the point — changes like this seem almost hostile. At the very least it shows that ZOS doesn't really care much about it's player base.
But, at least it raised the floor & lowered the ceiling! And that's all that matters, apparently.
Edited by Langeston on July 22, 2020 2:24PM It was kind of an "aspirational set" — if you complete this difficult content (impossible for some) you will get the best magicka DPS sustain set in the game. Now it's not much better (if indeed it is at all better) than a craftable set requiring only 6 traits.
I don't even play PVE much, (I avoid it at all costs, honestly) and I don't have or want this set, so the nerf doesn't affect me in the least. But I have a friend (she mostly does crafting and trading, overland content, with the occasional dungeon — more often than not, normals) who just spent 5 million gold for one vSS run, and was lucky enough to get all the pieces she needed to complete a set of PFG. Did she need it? Hell no — as far as I know, she doesn't even do vet DLC. But she sure was excited to show me her new gear. I don't have the heart to tell her what a waste that 5 mil was.
I know it was only a line of magicka (a line of spell damage on the normal version) but that's not the point — changes like this seem almost hostile. At the very least it shows that ZOS doesn't really care much about it's player base.
But, at least it raised the floor & lowered the ceiling! And that's all that matters, apparently.
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I agree with you 100% @Langeston , this change makes no sense in the slightest. They mean to tell us its to mirror Vicious Ophidian - Vicious Serpent. Vicious Ophidian - Vicious Serpent is easy to get but perfected fg will be harder.... No I don't think so.. the changes their thinking about implementing about False gods means that Players including myself have to REFARM and WASTE resources again . Why does the player base who spent time and resources to achieve getting this set spending transmutes to get the right trait and golding it out. as someone who works more than 40 hrs a week and others in the player base its really not fair. trying to get a group together in Craglorn or setting a date for the guild to do this it take to much time.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Please don't implement this change for this set. Vicious Serpent is easy to get where Perfected False Gods will be way harder to achieve. My suggestion just leave this set the way it is, all the other set changes players and myself are on board with except this one. Please don't...16 -
SerLoras✭✭✭This change makes absolutely no sense. The notes say it was done to "to better mirror the power Vicious Ophidian as the perfected version of Quick Serpent."
Here's the thing... Vicious Ophidian IS NOT a perfected set. It drops in Craglon trials on NORMAL! You can get a full set of
perfect trait Vicious Ophidian from normal Craglon trials and never even touch any veteran content!
You have to kill one of the dragons in vSS to have even a chance of getting one Perfected False Gods drop. Even killing the first boss in vSS requires a coordinated group of experienced players, and such group are often very difficult to find. It's takes most people several vSS runs to get a full set of Perfected False Gods. On the other hand, any random group of can clear a normal Craglorn trial.
There is no equivalence. One set is available to just about anyone. The other is locked behind some of the most difficult content in the game!
If you want the sets to match, you should add a perfect version of Vicious Ophidian that only drops in veteran Craglon trials from the bosses. That would be an exciting change that would bring people back to old content! But no... instead you are taking away hard earned gear from devoted players who spent countless hours farming these sets?
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Kittytravel✭✭✭✭✭The change is only okay if they also make Vicious Serpent only available through Vet Craglorn trials. It's not the favored solution as I personally don't care that magicka has a set with a slight edge to it but it would keep with their logic of "We are equalizing the two stam/magicka sets between each other."
Alternatively make Perfected False Gods available through normal SS.Edited by Kittytravel on July 22, 2020 1:14AM1 -
Wolf81✭✭✭Ya know false gods was fine...if they wanted to actually "nerf" its use then they should address the sustain issues regarding magicka...post bfb nerf as well. People would end up using different sets such as Siroria and whatnot a bit more.
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lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭Eventually raising the floor and lowering the ceiling will cause even the casual players to quit when they will be able to burn through stuff fast and run out of stuff to do.
I knew a lot of players who quit wow because it got to easy and this was about 7 years ago or soDC PC NA
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✭✭✭✭lucky_Sage wrote: »Eventually raising the floor and lowering the ceiling will cause even the casual players to quit when they will be able to burn through stuff fast and run out of stuff to do.
I knew a lot of players who quit wow because it got to easy and this was about 7 years ago or so
Remember when they got rid of veteran zones? PvE has been boring ever since. Although WGT and Prison was fun when it first came out until they nerfed it.6 -
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✭✭lucky_Sage wrote: »Eventually raising the floor and lowering the ceiling will cause even the casual players to quit when they will be able to burn through stuff fast and run out of stuff to do.
I knew a lot of players who quit wow because it got to easy and this was about 7 years ago or so
It doesn't achieve this though. False God's nerf hurts the floor more than the ceiling. Optimised groups will find a way of sustaining and achieving higher group dps despite nerfs. I'd say almost no matter what optimised groups filled with the best players don't ever feel too much pain from nerfs. It's the unoptimised groups that will feel it much more.7 -
Saubon✭✭✭I'm fine with nerfs, it won't make this set useless. Still I'm quite surprised they are comparing set from later veteran trial (and it drops only from boses) with a set that you can literally farm with 6 or so guildies (except AA).Edited by Saubon on July 22, 2020 4:45AM0 -
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✭To me, it never made sense that FGD has so many stats. Because, yes, VO is already a "perfected" version. The 5 piece effect already :
-gives weapon damage
-reduces the cost of abilities
-restores stamina on enemy death
-gives major expedition on enemy death
And then, they mirror it for magicka, except they add an extra effect, making this a set with 5 bonuses for the 5th piece bonus...
It's just absurd to mirror an existing stam set and to give it even more stats. VO is nice but not BiS, still my solo set by default to replace Lokke. I had the faint hope they would give perfected versions to old trial sets, like VO and Alkosh, looks like they just decided to nerf that one instead.
And then, it's a matter of perspective I guess, but having perfected gear on regular vet clear makes that set fairly easy to get, compared to vCR perfected sets.Edited by Elwendryll on July 22, 2020 8:22AMPC - EU - France - AD
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Stahlor✭✭✭✭✭Elwendryll wrote: »...And then, it's a matter of perspective I guess, but having perfected gear on regular vet clear makes that set fairly easy to get, compared to vCR perfected sets.
That's why there is something wrong with VCR, because all other content gives perfected gear from every boss.
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✭sad thing is, i paid 5M for carry for this set , and i wanted perfected false god just because it has some max magicka (sorc) . they removed max magicka from perfected and spell damage from normal. well, thank you.
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Vajrak✭✭✭Or can just look at other options and builds; PFG really isn't the end-all-be-all-bbq-khajit of life.sad thing is, i paid 5M for carry for this set , and i wanted perfected false god just because it has some max magicka (sorc) . they removed max magicka from perfected and spell damage from normal. well, thank you.
i regret that i just didnt farm normal version now.
I'm sad for you. It took all of 3 PUG runs to get a full set. 5M is a massive overpayment for something so easy to farm up.
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Stahlor✭✭✭✭✭Well, it always was a sustain set. You could have just race changed to Breton and used a full damage set instead. If we are lucky, they'll overthink these senseless changes anyway.0
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ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭Having the extra stat compared to VO made no sense, even if the content required is slightly harder.
What was the other option, add Perfected VO? Having to farm, upgrade, and possibly transmute a new set for an extra line of damage?
As with the Maelstrom and DSA weapons that, rightly, didn't go down too well.3 -
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✭...and again, we farm things in veteran and after some patch we have the normal version. [snip]
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✭part of it might be PVP balancing. This set was intended to be PVE progression, but with that 5th perfected trait it was easily onpar with any other sustain DPS sets with no downsides when used in PVP content.
That's just my guess anyway. I was considering it for my BG magplar, pump all my old sustain into spell damage and max mag to compensate, never run out of magicka. The non perfected version with a missing 4pce trait (5% bonus damage PVE) made it bad, but the perfected version compensated for that.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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✭✭✭That's why there is something wrong with VCR, because all other content gives perfected gear from every boss.
Nothing wrong with vCR (or vAS) whatsoever, because there is just one boss whereas vSS has three bosses. Playing vCR is MUCH faster than vSS.Edited by thorwyn on July 22, 2020 10:32AMAnd if the dam breaks open many years too soon
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✭✭Elwendryll wrote: »...And then, it's a matter of perspective I guess, but having perfected gear on regular vet clear makes that set fairly easy to get, compared to vCR perfected sets.
That's why there is something wrong with VCR, because all other content gives perfected gear from every boss.
Perfected Asylum weapons want to have a word with you.2 -
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✭validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »part of it might be PVP balancing.
this is a big issue Eso have by years. Changes made for 5% (maybe less) of playerbase can afflict the whole game.
i really like pvp but it would be better if they got him out of the game
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ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭I forgot to mention, the other option is just buffing VO.
But VO is still used so clearly doesn't need a buff (/s), and probably aligns with their "power fantasy" spreadsheet, whereas Perfect FGD doesn't.
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✭✭I wish they'd stop making changes to stuff that people already have.
It's good practice to audit sets that have a low rate of use among the player base and maybe make changes to bring them into alignment with "better" sets, but dropping the nerf hammer on sets used by lots of people for no apparent reason is very frustrating.
ZoS committed not to change motifs and costumes that are already in circulation - why not existing sets?2 -
Stahlor✭✭✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »...Perfected Asylum weapons want to have a word with you.
That's something different, because it's a "set" only available from the final boss. You don't get that set from the "mini" bosses at all - more comparable with VBRP arena.
It does make sense, because the normal FGD set is equal to VO. So obviously the perfected one should have an additional bonus. Why should the non perfected VO be equal to the perfected FGD?Having the extra stat compared to VO made no sense, even if the content required is slightly harder...
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✭✭✭WardenOfTheExalted wrote: »I agree with you 100% @Langeston , this change makes no sense in the slightest. They mean to tell us its to mirror Vicious Ophidian - Vicious Serpent. Vicious Ophidian - Vicious Serpent is easy to get but perfected fg will be harder.... No I don't think so.. the changes their thinking about implementing about False gods means that Players including myself have to REFARM and WASTE resources again . Why does the player base who spent time and resources to achieve getting this set spending transmutes to get the right trait and golding it out. as someone who works more than 40 hrs a week and others in the player base its really not fair. trying to get a group together in Craglorn or setting a date for the guild to do this it take to much time.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Please don't implement this change for this set. Vicious Serpent is easy to get where Perfected False Gods will be way harder to achieve. My suggestion just leave this set the way it is, all the other set changes players and myself are on board with except this one. Please don't...
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ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »...Perfected Asylum weapons want to have a word with you.
That's something different, because it's a "set" only available from the final boss. You don't get that set from the "mini" bosses at all - more comparable with VBRP arena.
It does make sense, because the normal FGD set is equal to VO. So obviously the perfected one should have an additional bonus. Why should the non perfected VO be equal to the perfected FGD?Having the extra stat compared to VO made no sense, even if the content required is slightly harder...
Why only read half my post then ask a question I directly address in the second half.0 -
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lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭lucky_Sage wrote: »Eventually raising the floor and lowering the ceiling will cause even the casual players to quit when they will be able to burn through stuff fast and run out of stuff to do.
I knew a lot of players who quit wow because it got to easy and this was about 7 years ago or so
It doesn't achieve this though. False God's nerf hurts the floor more than the ceiling. Optimised groups will find a way of sustaining and achieving higher group dps despite nerfs. I'd say almost no matter what optimised groups filled with the best players don't ever feel too much pain from nerfs. It's the unoptimised groups that will feel it much more.
Yeah it does just in a very bad way. Now beginner players don’t have to do that hard content anymoreDC PC NA
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✭✭Why is the solution not to make a Perfected version of VO and have it drop only in vet trials?6 -
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✭✭Yet one more highly questionable nerf that makes sense only in the intellectual bubble these guys live in. I've deconned far more pieces of gold VO jewelry than my entire PFG set. If you actually played the game and compared the degree of skill required to get each, you'd understand why this makes no sense.
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✭furiouslog wrote: »Why is the solution not to make a Perfected version of VO and have it drop only in vet trials?
Because Stam doesn't need sustain. It needs damage. VO isn't meta in any context outside of maybe vma. Though I just slot consuming for trash pack instead.
They did not nerf it because they compared it to VO. That's just the excuse they gave. Really they saw how much it was used and they touched it.-Immortal Redeemer-
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