It looks like it'll be a good pressure set. I don't think gap closers needed more burst.

How is it pointless? Venomous Smite is king in PvP atm. Unleashed terror got that potential to do 50% more dps than Venomous Smite. This set can be extremely strong with Stampede.

Lol they didn't ruin it, they just brought it from Moon down to the stratosphere.

Good change. I wanted to use a nice dot set with my VMA 2H build, Venomous Smite had a small CD and I kinda avoid sets that have downtime like that, even if it wasn't very much.

This fulfills what I was looking for and it beautifully comes as physical bleed damage while proccing PER target. It could honestly be nerfed a lot more, I'm glad it's still useable, but I bet it will be nerfed again.

notes say the damage is reduced as well. by how much???

Davadin wrote: »

notes say the damage is reduced as well. by how much???

Yeah honestly, not very clear... It says "damage reduced to keep dps the same"

Those are 2 conflicting statements because the duration was increased to 10s from 5s.

Damage would need to be doubled to "keep dps the same".

If they wanted to keep the total damage the same, dps would be halved.

I'll go on PTS and figure it out. Edit in bound.

@Kttytravel ahh thank you, saved me the trouble lol. Gina and the combat team need to work on their communication skills.

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ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Once again, interesting set, ruined before it comes out - I really dislike this change
Any other set that I would combine this set with has a 5-6 second duration
A 10 second duration for a charge set in pvp is imo pointless

You were looking forward to trying to out-heal a 30k bleed over 5 seconds (Unleashed + Maelstrom 2h) just from getting hit with a gap closer?

again if you must reduce the damage but keep the duration

now you have a complete missmatch on the duration with other sets people are most likely going to use and way too long of one for a charge ability

besides this just once again shows that zos as no plan no clue no template

how can it happen that a new set is "too powerful" and needs to be nerfed so drastically when they have all their amazing power balancing templates and calculations huh? yea it can't and they do not have anything they just throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks thats their combat team

This is really what is making me SO angry about zos - they basically nerfed it 50%

they always do that show a promising set, people get excited and then nerf it into the ground (im talking about relatives not absoultes)

HOW CAN IT BE if you say you have power budgets that you need to nerf sets 50% - they have NO plan and this is once again a clear example of that and this is why nothing will ever improve with the combat and the balancing

Chill. Set isn't dead, not yet anyway, thats what the PTS is for. It would of been broken over powered if it was left unchanged, you may not agree, but the previous iteration was way too bursty.

The standards they use almost ALWAYS seem to revolve around 1 thing. This is a pretty big problem, which is why it may take them several try's.

They rely on one major factor first:

Total DPS:

Their version of Total DPS is a combination of (duration/cool down) * total damage = DPS. This equation is very useful for longer fights that you typically find in PVE. You can easily see they used this formula when you consider all of the monster sets from the previous patch, you'll find they're all around the same total dps, if they fit very similar basic functions.

Sets usually do less total dps if they're aoe. More if they're single target. Even more if the proc condition, telegraph or range is a major factor.

This is where standards will never fully provide "absolute" balance, but only provide a foundation, they need to address things accordingly. This is why I give them a free pass on some things like this set, but they've been at it long enough that they should of seen the issue with this set to begin with..

The problem with their reliance on this formuala is in pvp.. the equation for (duration/cool down) * total damage is not very useful when burst is king. Fights don't last 20+ seconds. They're usually small windows of opportunity to kill your opponent, maybe 5 seconds.. which is exaclty why this set needed to change.

So on a spreadsheet, when they designed the set, they probably found it averaged 2k dps which is easy to say when the proc condition is absolute. Thats pretty fair, but it was actually 4k dps within that 5s window which is WAY too much from 1 set, especially since it can be added per target.

Monster sets on average do around 1350-1800 from what I've found (Kragh/Velidreth/Stormfist/Selene(harder proc, unless using flurry/jabs)). So 2k within a 5 piece seems to line up. I'm sure you can look at other sets this patch for a similar result.

This actually illustrates the issue with Venomous Smite. On paper, it does about 1500 dps. It's under the estimated standard of around 2k single target, because it's aoe, it's less.. Sounds fair... except it's actually 2241 dps within a 10s window, aoe and only 5s downtime. So here, their equation said. YEP checks out, but in pvp, this thing does more single target dps than a typical single target dot set, except it does it in aoe. The downtime means absolutely nothing, but ZOS used it to justify the higher dps.

So total dps remains at 2k for this set, but burst window changed from 4k dps to 2k dps. 100% fine.