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Does Zenimax listen to the community?
Wilddog73
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Does Zenimax listen to the community? 287 votes
Yes, I'm really spiritually and emotionally satisfied by the amount of developer interaction and resultant change we've seen. My parents aren't even divorcing anymore!
17%
51 votes
Never. Whenever I see this "game", my eyes sink into their sockets and I ironically find myself relating to the soulless husk of my character. Zenimax is dead inside and so is my hope for this game.
73%
212 votes
Iunno, I'm new here.
2%
7 votes
ESO VR!!1!1!1!
5%
17 votes
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The commentary does bias the poll. Just saying.
We know for a fact Zos does listen to players' feedback as there are many examples where Zos has made adjustments based on our feedback. Granted, that does not mean Zos changes everything where a player provides feedback and that would be a poor way to run any business since we often do not agree amongst ourselves so Zos would be chasing a moving target to no end.48 -
Wilddog73✭✭ESO VR!!1!1!1!The commentary does bias the poll. Just saying.
We know for a fact Zos does listen to players' feedback as there are many examples where Zos has made adjustments based on our feedback. Granted, that does not mean Zos changes everything where a player provides feedback and that would be a poor way to run any business since we often do not agree amongst ourselves so Zos would be chasing a moving target to no end.
Have they commented on whether VR would be possible?0 -
BRCOURTN✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I'm really spiritually and emotionally satisfied by the amount of developer interaction and resultant change we've seen. My parents aren't even divorcing anymore!Sarcastic poll option aside, I fully believe that ZOS is listening to a lot of the opinions and ideas that the community has. They have my praise for not implementing a vast majority of them. And the obvious ideas like fixing lag... they either don't have the knowledge or funds to fix at the moment. Its not like they're ignoring the fact their games performance is lacking, they're just ignoring the whining about it because there are no good solutions to the problem.9 -
Wilddog73✭✭ESO VR!!1!1!1!Whenever people seem to talk about the problems, they usually talk about possible fixes though.
[Edit to remove discussing disciplinary actions]Edited by [Deleted User] on July 20, 2020 1:43AM0 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Honestly I believe the community management team, and a good portion of the devs do hear what we have to say. And boy do we say a lot at times... The hangups come with capability, priority, and most importantly what Zenimax Media allocates for budgeting in tandem with what they expect in returns from ZOS.5 -
BRCOURTN✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I'm really spiritually and emotionally satisfied by the amount of developer interaction and resultant change we've seen. My parents aren't even divorcing anymore!Whenever people seem to talk about the problems, they usually talk about possible fixes though.
its probably because usually when people get really *** off, they create posts a bit like this one.Edited by [Deleted User] on July 20, 2020 1:44AM4 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So when was the last time zenimax listened to the community?
We are at the start of a PTS cycle. Go read through that section, then watch the next two to three weeks of PTS patch notes.5 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ESO VR!!1!1!1!They do listen, sadly its often not the right advice they listen to.8 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭(lousy selection of poll options, won't pick any)
As for the main question - god, I hope not. As with most gaming forums, many of the "community's" ideas / complaints / etc, are terrible.Edited by Kiralyn2000 on July 19, 2020 11:22PM10 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't know if they listen, or simply make random changes that are "coincidental" with "some" of the player feedback. It kinda looks like sometimes they listen and extrapolate player suggestion way too much to something different or don't listen at all. Very rarely I have seen them to do EXACTLY what players wanted.
ZOS vision of the game seems a bit chaotic.
Take NB for example:
Teleport Strike used to work differently vs mobs & differently vs players. Mobs / NPCs used to be stunned by it, while players were snared. Later on they removed snares, and later, later on they got rid of stun function - claiming it was done in the name of consistency, so skills would work the same no matter the content.
Now, we will have Grim Focus change... and stacks will stay once you accumulated them in PvE, but in PvP - stacks will be removed when skill ends...
^ Well... it kinda feels like we have a ping - pong here and ZOS once again is going back to skill behaving differently in PvE & PvP.
Also, speaking of grim focus... they removed Minor Berserk from it (8% Damage buff) and replaced with Mitigation bonus... ...And now they are replacing Mitigation bonus with damage & healing bonus... again... ping - pong, ping - pong...
Almost as if they had no vision at all lol.Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on July 19, 2020 11:28PM5 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is the most "ESO Forum Poll" ever to appear on the ESO Forums."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle5 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'll presume that we understand listening doesn't always mean letting players run amuck and do everything we spew out.4 -
deleted221106-002999✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm pretty sure they have people to check the forum but the in-game 'bug report' [F1] is the only thing they really pay any attention to by their admission (I think in a recent interview Mr Lambert pretty much said as much).
Anything outwith their direct control - twitch etc, they'll have an eye on too; can't have too much bad publicity going around unanswered.
The forum is a noisy school yard/the real end-game - it's a vent for players and controlled zone for zos to ensure most of the negativity about unfixed bugs, unfixed lag/desynchs can be contained.
Maybe they should rename the forum block & roll-dodge....
They do listen to that virtual *kerching* (or its absence) every time a sub is lost or renewed or we buy/don't buy crowns or chapters - other than that, nah.1 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭From PTS feedback, doubt it. However when a bug is severe and reported on live, sometimes it is patched fast. If it affects PvE competitive scoring at least...0 -
VoidCommander✭✭✭✭✭ESO VR!!1!1!1!The commentary does bias the poll. Just saying.
We know for a fact Zos does listen to players' feedback as there are many examples where Zos has made adjustments based on our feedback. Granted, that does not mean Zos changes everything where a player provides feedback and that would be a poor way to run any business since we often do not agree amongst ourselves so Zos would be chasing a moving target to no end.
Have they commented on whether VR would be possible?
Not to my knowledge, they haven't. However, you can use a third-party software called "vorpX" that will allow you to see the world of ESO through VR. It is an uncomfortable experience if you are using a class that uses a large amount of flashy effects, so if you do end up using it, I would advise using a stamina dps spec and keep your experience limited to regular overland content. IE: No dungeons, no trials, no pvp.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The commentary does bias the poll. Just saying.
We know for a fact Zos does listen to players' feedback as there are many examples where Zos has made adjustments based on our feedback. Granted, that does not mean Zos changes everything where a player provides feedback and that would be a poor way to run any business since we often do not agree amongst ourselves so Zos would be chasing a moving target to no end.
Have they commented on whether VR would be possible?
Such a random question that the answer would say nothing about Zos listening to the community considering how rarely the topic comes up and how few of us actually have VR setups.
Edit: So the answer is yes. It would be possible, but that does not make it a wise business decision at this time.Edited by idk on July 19, 2020 11:56PM1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So when was the last time zenimax listened to the community?
The last PTS cycle when they made changes to what was being tested such as adjustments to the vampire line. Ofc, that does not mean they implemented every idea presented, and they should not.
Oh, the time before that was the off-cycle PTS testing we did just weeks before the Greymoor PTS.0 -
CyberOnEso✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I'm really spiritually and emotionally satisfied by the amount of developer interaction and resultant change we've seen. My parents aren't even divorcing anymore!I mean one of the dungeon developers spent ~2 hrs watching a twitch stream of someone going through the new PTS dungeons. ZOS does listen and were specifically asking for feedback.@CyberOnEso PC | EU - Jack of all Trades - Armory Style Manager Planesbreaker | Godslayer | Dawnbringer | Immortal Redeemer | Tick Tock Tormentor | Gryphon Heart1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »As with most gaming forums, many of the "community's" ideas / complaints / etc, are terrible.
Self-serving
I'm pretty sure they have people to check the forum but the in-game 'bug report' [F1] is the only thing they really pay any attention to by their admission (I think in a recent interview Mr Lambert pretty much said as much).
Yup. As you say, there is a lot of "noise" in the forum commentary.
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Total in-game hours: 11321
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deleted221106-002999✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭From PTS feedback, doubt it. However when a bug is severe and reported on live, sometimes it is patched fast. If it affects PvE competitive scoring at least...
PTS feedback is targetted and very specific as they direct and request. They even set up specific threads asking for specific feedback - that alone should tell you they will ignore or, at best, regard as marginal input, anything outwith those points.
PTS is pretty much 'this is how it will be'; they really just want to know if it'll (mostly) work.
5 million sorcs complaining about shield nerfs being the exception.
And that one awesome cogent rubuttal of proposed LA/HA shenannigans by code65536 (?).1 -
Wilddog73✭✭ESO VR!!1!1!1!Why not negotiate? Why not tell us what the problem is with our ideas and work together to come up with a solution or alternative? I'd love to see some community/dev debate.0
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why not negotiate? Why not tell us what the problem is with our ideas and work together to come up with a solution or alternative? I'd love to see some community/dev debate.
There are a lot of reasons why this would not work in the forum, but they apparently do this, or did this in the past, with smaller groups.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not voting as it's a really biased "poll".Why not negotiate? Why not tell us what the problem is with our ideas and work together to come up with a solution or alternative? I'd love to see some community/dev debate.
Because every game dev in most games of this sort has a plan for the game itself, and very little of the "forum fog" is anything they're interested in. This is my third MMORPG (the others being WoW and RIFT - left WoW in 2013 and RIFT in 2016 since neither of them was fun for me any more and both were heading in directions I didn't like at all), and ALL the devs were pretty much like this.
This is fine. A product has to have staff which has a plan. We don't know the plan, and it's really not our business to shove our oars in. When this game (as with the others I mentioned) stops being fun for me, I'll stop subbing two accounts, buying crowns, and playing 10 hours a day. And that's the bottom line: if it's not fun, find something else to play and spend your money on.
In general, the times the devs in the other games actually interfaced with forum-users, it turned into a total balls-up, with the forum users being all pissy over "being ignored", and the devs posting politely that they had "enough information" - then going ahead with (probably) what they'd had in the works already anyway.
If you want to have real viable input into a game, you will need to make that game yourself - then you become the dev, and if you want to have a thousand players arguing with your every move and decision, well.... go for it.6 -
Wilddog73✭✭ESO VR!!1!1!1!Sylvermynx wrote: »Not voting as it's a really biased "poll".Why not negotiate? Why not tell us what the problem is with our ideas and work together to come up with a solution or alternative? I'd love to see some community/dev debate.
Because every game dev in most games of this sort has a plan for the game itself, and very little of the "forum fog" is anything they're interested in. This is my third MMORPG (the others being WoW and RIFT - left WoW in 2013 and RIFT in 2016 since neither of them was fun for me any more and both were heading in directions I didn't like at all), and ALL the devs were pretty much like this.
This is fine. A product has to have staff which has a plan. We don't know the plan, and it's really not our business to shove our oars in. When this game (as with the others I mentioned) stops being fun for me, I'll stop subbing two accounts, buying crowns, and playing 10 hours a day. And that's the bottom line: if it's not fun, find something else to play and spend your money on.
In general, the times the devs in the other games actually interfaced with forum-users, it turned into a total balls-up, with the forum users being all pissy over "being ignored", and the devs posting politely that they had "enough information" - then going ahead with (probably) what they'd had in the works already anyway.
If you want to have real viable input into a game, you will need to make that game yourself - then you become the dev, and if you want to have a thousand players arguing with your every move and decision, well.... go for it.
I think a more efficient course of action would be to let players modify the game themselves and let players test it out themselves on public test servers, not waste time and money on whatever these living wage starved development hyenas chose to do.0 -
Wilddog73✭✭ESO VR!!1!1!1!Truly, there's an entire modding community that just can't touch this game.0
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Again, if you think so, then you should develop your own game and set it up to be modified that way. And should you do so, I would certainly love to hear a truthful discourse on exactly what happened.3 -
Wilddog73✭✭ESO VR!!1!1!1!Why do that instead of just convincing a developer that it costs less to let the modding community do the work for you?0
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Wilddog73✭✭ESO VR!!1!1!1!I mean, just look at "Mod and Play". An unreal engine ripoff of Gmod, with none of the content.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1127460/Mod_and_Play/
The developer is clearly ragged from all the players telling him his game is devoid of content compared to Gmod and he barely updates it now. It's so much easier to use existing material, ala Gmod/Fallout 76.
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