If you want to be able to opt out of Random DLC dungeons, then you don't get the 100k in exp, the Geodes etc at the end. You just run the Dungeon.
Pretty much this. Zos setup the random dungeon perk for a reason and it was not to give us 100k but to encourage players to use the GF so that other players queuing up can more easily get a group which includes if they want to queue for a specific DLC dungeon.
Ofc, if Zos ever does make it so players can opt-out of the DLC dungeons then the rewards will likely (and should be) less than players that have access to DLC dungeons and choose to include all dungeons. It makes sense.
Prof_Bawbag wrote: »So if i never sub and don't ever buy the 4 man content I'll get better rewards than those who do sub or purchase the aforementioned content? Seems fair to only screw over those who do support the game.
Call me old fashioned, but those paying the premium should reap more benefits compared to those who pay no rolling cost. I basically get rewarded for not supporting the game with your scenario. I'm seriously not being a smart ass, but I love your business model. After all, who doesn't like getting better things for less? Unsubbing = better dungeon gear
If you own something like dlc´s. It should be possible to uncheck them if you wish - should be possible.
Three randoms. A DLC a basegame and two´s. Depending on what´s unchecked the first dungeon you que as random you get credit for. same for plusmembers..
Golden_Cat wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »So if i never sub and don't ever buy the 4 man content I'll get better rewards than those who do sub or purchase the aforementioned content? Seems fair to only screw over those who do support the game.
Call me old fashioned, but those paying the premium should reap more benefits compared to those who pay no rolling cost. I basically get rewarded for not supporting the game with your scenario. I'm seriously not being a smart ass, but I love your business model. After all, who doesn't like getting better things for less? Unsubbing = better dungeon gear
You don't get better reward, you'll get the same thing others get if you do same content. For example, you can't get Aegis Caller set from base game dungeons, it's from DLC dungeon and therefor you either have ESO+ or buy the DLC to get it. Having access to all DLC is one of ESO+ benefits.
What these people want is having the benefits of ESO+ and at the same time not having to do any of the hard content when they do daily RANDOM dungeon quest for rewards.
If ZOS implement this feature, I guarantee several months later there will be another threat about skipping all dungeon except for the last boss because "they only want the mask" or "they've done these dungeons hundreds of times".
CombatPrayer wrote: »I wonder how much money they have lost from people who have unsubbed due to this situation. Someone in this thread said they unsubbed four years ago. That is four years of plus money zos has lost because it doesn't allow people to opt out of DLC dungeons in the queue. That's $600 from that one person. And clearly there are many of us out there. This thread is full of us. I would guess they are costing themselves anywhere from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands. Solid revenue. Lost.
You would think a business would want to increase their revenue stream rather than decrease.
Not enough to change it.
Or I dare say it would have been.
Zos is a business and if we look at the crown store we can also see the focus.
Really just learn the dungeon
Its not hard, you can press the buttons I believe in you.
Dlc dungeons should pop in my randoms more frequently.
I don't like base game "yawn"
Just use the occasional eso plus trial to move mats to crafting bag and clear out your bank / alts.
Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Golden_Cat wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »So if i never sub and don't ever buy the 4 man content I'll get better rewards than those who do sub or purchase the aforementioned content? Seems fair to only screw over those who do support the game.
Call me old fashioned, but those paying the premium should reap more benefits compared to those who pay no rolling cost. I basically get rewarded for not supporting the game with your scenario. I'm seriously not being a smart ass, but I love your business model. After all, who doesn't like getting better things for less? Unsubbing = better dungeon gear
You don't get better reward, you'll get the same thing others get if you do same content. For example, you can't get Aegis Caller set from base game dungeons, it's from DLC dungeon and therefor you either have ESO+ or buy the DLC to get it. Having access to all DLC is one of ESO+ benefits.
What these people want is having the benefits of ESO+ and at the same time not having to do any of the hard content when they do daily RANDOM dungeon quest for rewards.
If ZOS implement this feature, I guarantee several months later there will be another threat about skipping all dungeon except for the last boss because "they only want the mask" or "they've done these dungeons hundreds of times".
I don't get your response at all. It makes no sense, I'm not being cheeky, so don't take it that way. I just think you've misunderstood what was being discussed.
My point is, if i own no dlc nor sub, I get landed in a base game dungeon. My rewards are on par with everyone else who lands within those dungeons with me. What people are insinuating and what i'm responding to, if i have access to that dlc, but untick the dlc dungeon option, we'd land in CoA1, you get the helm and purple gear relating to CoA1, I get blue gear and no helm. Even though we are doing the same content. But i get penalised because I have access to dlc, but someone who doesn't have access to it gets the same rewards as you do because they've had no need to untick any box.
CombatPrayer wrote: »I wonder how much money they have lost from people who have unsubbed due to this situation. Someone in this thread said they unsubbed four years ago. That is four years of plus money zos has lost because it doesn't allow people to opt out of DLC dungeons in the queue. That's $600 from that one person. And clearly there are many of us out there. This thread is full of us. I would guess they are costing themselves anywhere from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands. Solid revenue. Lost.
You would think a business would want to increase their revenue stream rather than decrease.
Athyrium93 wrote: »I think part of the issue is that the base game dungeons are sooo easy, but the DLCs aren't (which is great) but they don't prepare you for harder content, and there is nothing stopping someone with 5k dps (something you all complain about) from queueing for a random vet once they are at level.
In DLC dungeons, I'll be honest if I'm pulling more than 20-30% dps on the first trash pull on my healer, I leave unless I have time to kill, or feel like hand holding. The tank I always play with does the same if he is in double digit percent, especially on vet.
Because it lowers the available pool to draw from pugs, which would probably lead to a decline in sales.
I get it you want your quick xp, however if you do a random outside of a full group you're a filler for the dungeon.
Its not rocket science lol
CombatPrayer wrote: »Because it lowers the available pool to draw from pugs, which would probably lead to a decline in sales.
I get it you want your quick xp, however if you do a random outside of a full group you're a filler for the dungeon.
Its not rocket science lol
Less about quick XP, more about not having a tedious experience. I don't pay for that. I won't pay for that. My decision is already made. ZOS lost me as a paying customer. And others based on this thread alone. I don't pay a monthly fee for a headache I don't need. DLC dungeons are tedious without people who know them or people who join under the role they actually are. I pay for fun not for misery. Again, I'm clearly not alone in this. And ultimately, what your opinion is seems like it won't matter to players who say nope, you lost me as a sub customer. Ultimately, I think ZOS will end up needing to do this now that we will have more DLC than base game dungeons. As people land in them more and more, those who don't like it will probably unsub or keep dropping from the dungeon and take the 15 min penalty. That will lead to more issues down the line. Logic dictates something has to change unless ZOS wants to keep missing out on what would be easy money.
CombatPrayer wrote: »Less about quick XP, more about not having a tedious experience. I don't pay for that. I won't pay for that. My decision is already made. ZOS lost me as a paying customer. And others based on this thread alone. I don't pay a monthly fee for a headache I don't need.
This while thread comes down to "Make the game easier for me by making it harder for Everyone else"
CombatPrayer wrote: »Why should those who pay be forced into them? Any argument against the option to not have to be forced into them is fundamentally flawed.
Pretty much this. Zos setup the random dungeon perk for a reason and it was not to give us 100k but to encourage players to use the GF so that other players queuing up can more easily get a group which includes if they want to queue for a specific DLC dungeon.
Ofc, if Zos ever does make it so players can opt-out of the DLC dungeons then the rewards will likely (and should be) less than players that have access to DLC dungeons and choose to include all dungeons. It makes sense.
DigitalHype wrote: »
And to those saying drop your ESO+ sub, what about those of us which have not subscribed to ESO+ but own all the DLC via crown or real money purchase? How do we get that option without creating a new account?
If you want to be able to opt out of Random DLC dungeons, then you don't get the 100k in exp, the Geodes etc at the end. You just run the Dungeon.
Ofc, if Zos ever does make it so players can opt-out of the DLC dungeons then the rewards will likely (and should be) less than players that have access to DLC dungeons and choose to include all dungeons. It makes sense.
redspecter23 wrote: »
ZOS currently, right now, on live, gives us a way to opt out of DLC dungeons. Removing your subscription. This option is already available and still gives full rewards for everyone in the group. All that is being asked is that plus members receive the same option while still giving ZOS money. It makes sense.