BombBlade meta if it goes live

Unfadingsilence · July 2020

Let's be real if this goes live.... I'll keep yall updated if and when things change "if they change"

ThePedge · July 2020

So, the exact same as it is now?

Except Acuity will be used in CP as well as noCP, instead of Spriggans Spinners.

Unfadingsilence · July 2020

ThePedge wrote: »

So, the exact same as it is now?

Except Acuity will be used in CP as well as noCP, instead of Spriggans.

Why would a magic bomber use spriggans 🤔 i think you mean spinners but spinners has not been used in about 2 years now 😒

Unfadingsilence · July 2020

also with the VD buff and acuity change the change to divines trait as well as the merciless resolve change, and a few other tweaks its a whole different monster 😈

ThePedge · July 2020

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

So, the exact same as it is now?

Except Acuity will be used in CP as well as noCP, instead of Spriggans.

Why would a magic bomber use spriggans 🤔 i think you mean spinners but spinners has not been used in about 2 years now 😒

Yeah Spinners.
Hard to remember when meta has been Acuity for 2 years

Nemesis7884 · July 2020

honestly the only time i NEVER get annoyed about being killed in pvp is by a bomber....

always puts a "nice one" smile on my face for some reason

mairwen85 · July 2020

A comment I posted in the other thread you created on the same topic:

mairwen85 wrote: »

The precursor has similar resistances to a regular mob (i.e. very little, or ~9k), it's not the best dummy to simulate actual players. I have no doubt the tweaks to VD and Divines will make bombblades a bit more explosive, but your experiment is flawed based on the testbed you've used. Short of getting a few friends to stand still and let you kill them, a group of 3mil dummies with health depleted to ~24k would be a better test case for this as we'd be talking about 18K resistances (still lower than your average PVPer but better than the precursor). Your testing also doesn't account for battle spirit

I'm not saying this isn't going to be nasty as all hell:

Vicious Death:
This set now grants an additional 1487 Spell Penetration on its 5 piece bonus.
Increased the damage done on kill to 22400, up from 15815.
Fixed an issue where this set had a lower chance of applying the Burning status effect than intended.

But I think the actual impact will not be anywhere near to what your example indicates.

LuxLunae · July 2020

This isn't real world OP do me a favor and go through vMA with it...

THEN I'll jump all over the forums shouting like a mad man...

ccfeeling · July 2020

They buff VD without maths

SshadowSscale · July 2020

Honestly... I do not mind the changes to vicious death.... If you get blown up by it its your own fault for not taking counter measures before hand.... But hey guess zergs will always complain about something that can stop them

Ruder · July 2020

I don't see a problem here, if you don't wanna get bombed don't get stacked with 10 other people on 1 place. It is that simple.

Rianai · July 2020

Whenever bomb blade gets buffs (and there have been quite a few already) people go crazy - and yet nothing really changes. Just the same few players doing what they have been doing for years. Because most of the time dmg isn't what limits a bomb blade's effectiveness and therefore those buffs are pretty irrelevant in practise. If they truly want to make bomb blades more relevant (which i doubt since they keep catering to zergs with everything else), they have to increase radius of vd, proxy and/or tether, make spell dmg + immovale pots a thing, nerf ressing, and fix lag.

Dracane · July 2020

Looking at the changes to sets frequently used by the various nightblade playstyles, you can see that they want to give nightblades significant indirect buffs.

Caluurion has been buffed a lot as well as this. I think both gankblades and bombers will have fun together with the merciless resolve buff.

Finedaible · July 2020

I don't play one, but I'm looking forward to bombers being powerful to be honest. Everyone already takes various measures against bombers on Live as it is (like simply spreading out, who would have thought right?) so it's not very often they are successful. Maybe this buff along with the changes to certain sets affecting only group members will bring some more counters to overpowered zergs for once.

Who knows, destroying players faster may actually improve performance in the immediate area, alleviating the server from all those AoE effects it has to struggle with.

WombatNipples65 · July 2020

I've been playing a bomber for quite a long time now and have managed to get my character to General (AR42) doing it solely. This is a nice change, however, I really don't think that it will cause too many issues in real world PvP:

1. If you're stacking on a flag then you are 100% going to get bombed, doesn't matter if they buff, nerf of never change the bombing sets it will happen.
2. There are MANY counters to bombers, I've not been bombed myself in a very long time as we use all these methods to stop it happening. Caltrops, mage light etc.
3. It is a very niche way to play the game and you don't see too many bomber around, unless it is the MYM event or IC event.

I can see this making it into live as they have it now on PTS, mainly because it is going to be very hard for them to gather useful data from PvP, since no-one is really doing it on the PTS. But if it is overtuned on the live server and it is causing loads of issues it will get nerfed down again.

Finally going full Light Armour doesn't benefit you as a bomber, you get more damage from 5-1-1.

Rianai · July 2020

Dracane wrote: »

Looking at the changes to sets frequently used by the various nightblade playstyles, you can see that they want to give nightblades significant indirect buffs.

Caluurion has been buffed a lot as well as this. I think both gankblades and bombers will have fun together with the merciless resolve buff.

Yea, it is totally not like they buffed a ton of sets which are used by all kinds of classes. Such blatant nb favouritism.
I also just explained why vd buffs are pretty irrelevant for bomb blade (tho the set might become a little bit more interesting for other classes).

Dracane · July 2020

Rianai wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Looking at the changes to sets frequently used by the various nightblade playstyles, you can see that they want to give nightblades significant indirect buffs.

Caluurion has been buffed a lot as well as this. I think both gankblades and bombers will have fun together with the merciless resolve buff.

Yea, it is totally not like they buffed a ton of sets which are used by all kinds of classes. Such blatant nb favouritism.
I also just explained why vd buffs are pretty irrelevant for bomb blade (tho the set might become a little bit more interesting for other classes).

Nothing really stuck out to me as much as these sets did.
Against us, bomblades fail because a bit of damage was lacking to cut the insta kill. So I have to disagree with you; it's an awesome buff for bombers and I am sure they will love it.

It's good for the game in general too, in my opinion. Having bombers become an even bigger threat can change the mentality of people and do something against ballgroups.

Rianai · July 2020

And if a bomb blade is lacking a little bit of extra dmg to get an insta kill, vd does exactly what? Unless you are talking about those 1,4k additional pen, that's like 2% more dmg? Having stored up a little bit more ult or a single player more within proxy range or just a bit more luck with crits or one player without buffs up or a bunch of other factors will add more than that. If a bomb blade can get players down to 2% health, it will also be able to kill them, if stars just align a bit more. Successful bombing is more about the right opportunity and a little bit of luck than raw dmg numbers. Yes, there will be those rare occasions where vd buffs will make a difference. But like 99% of the time it won't.

(And with the nerf to shadow mundus and change to master assassin i'm not even sure if pre vd proc dmg will be higher or lower and i can't be bothered to test, because it won't be relevant either way Edit: Acuity buff and impen nerf will be most impactful for bomb blade actually - and still not enough to make bomb blades more relevant, because again - dmg is not the limiting factor most of the time)

And regarding calu buffs - if those end up turning nb gankers into a serious threat - i hope it doesn't - it will most likely just be the kickoff for the next round of nb nerfs. Also the main reason why the set was used mainly by nbs (being able to guarantee the proc) was just removed, so there won't be much of a difference between a nb and any other class using this set.

Dracane · July 2020

Rianai wrote: »

And if a bomb blade is lacking a little bit of extra dmg to get an insta kill, vd does exactly what? Unless you are talking about those 1,4k additional pen, that's like 2% more dmg? Having stored up a little bit more ult or a single player more within proxy range or just a bit more luck with crits or one player without buffs up or a bunch of other factors will add more than that. If a bomb blade can get players down to 2% health, it will also be able to kill them, if stars just align a bit more. Successful bombing is more about the right opportunity and a little bit of luck than raw dmg numbers. Yes, there will be those rare occasions where vd buffs will make a difference. But like 99% of the time it won't.

(And with the nerf to shadow mundus and change to master assassin i'm not even sure if pre vd proc dmg will be higher or lower and i can't be bothered to test, because it won't be relevant either way Edit: Acuity buff and impen nerf will be most impactful for bomb blade actually - and still not enough to make bomb blades more relevant, because again - dmg is not the limiting factor most of the time)

And regarding calu buffs - if those end up turning nb gankers into a serious threat - i hope it doesn't - it will most likely just be the kickoff for the next round of nb nerfs. Also the main reason why the set was used mainly by nbs (being able to guarantee the proc) was just removed, so there won't be much of a difference between a nb and any other class using this set.

Hm if you jump at 2 or 3 players, it will certainly not change anything since direct damage changed only slightly.
But when we are talking about serious bombs into a diverse group, there is always some fool or squishy target that will fall with little effort. Most light armor targets that are unprotected will just drop and then, once you kick this chain reaction off, it will vastly increase the chance for further deaths.

Vicious death has been buffed by 50% damage. That will make a very big difference and increase the chance to also take down tankier targets with 1 bomb.

I have absolutely no doubt that this will help bombers a lot and yes, as you said, maybe even some other classes who want to bomb. Although none of them will be as efficient.

Rianai · July 2020

If you say so. How could i dare to question your extensive experience with bomb blade, right?

Dracane · July 2020

Indeed. It is a bold assumption to make since you do not know me.
I dare say that most here have had their experience with bombers - even if they have not played one - can as well attest that sometimes, you survive just barely. After this change, you will not survive those situations.

The most popular nightblade sets get buffed and of course, in good nightblade fashion, all you can do is complain further. What does it even take to cheer you up? I have not received a single buff to any of the sets I am using in pvp. Instead, nerfs. I would gladly receive a 50% buff to one of my sets.

Only armor master which I use in pve got buffed.

Rianai · July 2020

I'm not complaining. I just disagree with assumptions made in this thread and i do so based on my experience aquired by actually playing bomb blade over the past ~ 3 years during different metas, and i'm very confident that my knowledge about the playstyle in question exceeds yours by far.

And imagine asking for 50% buffs (it is not even 50% in case of vd but w/e) to something like Malacath or IP. Tells a lot about how much you value balance. Nerfs? You must be talking about that 1% Frags nerf or 10 max mag less that is more than offset by the sustain buffs magsorc just recieved.

Drdeath20 · July 2020

Its not the buffs to nightblades its that alot of other classes got nerfed, some real hard and for the life of me I cant figure out why

xXMeowMeowXx · July 2020

Rianai wrote: »

I'm not complaining. I just disagree with assumptions made in this thread and i do so based on my experience aquired by actually playing bomb blade over the past ~ 3 years during different metas, and i'm very confident that my knowledge about the playstyle in question exceeds yours by far.

And imagine asking for 50% buffs (it is not even 50% in case of vd but w/e) to something like Malacath or IP. Tells a lot about how much you value balance. Nerfs? You must be talking about that 1% Frags nerf or 10 max mag less that is more than offset by the sustain buffs magsorc just recieved.

Also, other classes can use VD with very good results and some amazingly.

[snip]

It is not like a there will be a giant appearance of bombers.

Most peeps cannot even successfully play a bomber. Much less put the effort into becoming efficient in such a niche playstyle.

[edited for baiting]

kojou · July 2020

I will add my thoughts...

I am ok with this meta being a thing. That is all.

Dracane · July 2020

Rianai wrote: »

I'm not complaining. I just disagree with assumptions made in this thread and i do so based on my experience aquired by actually playing bomb blade over the past ~ 3 years during different metas, and i'm very confident that my knowledge about the playstyle in question exceeds yours by far.

And imagine asking for 50% buffs (it is not even 50% in case of vd but w/e) to something like Malacath or IP. Tells a lot about how much you value balance. Nerfs? You must be talking about that 1% Frags nerf or 10 max mag less that is more than offset by the sustain buffs magsorc just recieved.

What makes you believe that I would want Malacaths or IP to get buffed by 50% or at all?
All you do is try to spite me with assumptions about my playstyles and sets I am using, where your knowledge goes (very evidently) close to 0. Particularly since I am mainly a pver judged by mere time investment.

Vicious death was buffed by nearly 50% when factoring in the newly added spell penetration. A buff rarely done to any set, particularly one already so strong to begin with.
A set which is famous for being a Nightblade Bomber's best friend. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Rianai · July 2020

Dracane wrote: »

What makes you believe that I would want Malacaths or IP to get buffed by 50% or at all?
All you do is try to spite me with assumptions about my playstyles and sets I am using, where your knowledge goes (very evidently) close to 0. Particularly since I am mainly a pver judged by mere time investment.

That's what you just wrote, no? Or do you want to deny that you are using those sets in PvP? Both fairly easy to identify btw.

Dracane wrote: »

Vicious death was buffed by nearly 50% when factoring in the newly added spell penetration. A buff rarely done to any set, particularly one already so strong to begin with.
A set which is famous for being a Nightblade Bomber's best friend. [snip]

Again, where am i complaining about vd buffs? All i said is, those buffs are hardly relevant for bomb blade, which could be translated into "i don't care". That's about as neutral as an opinion can get.

Dracane · July 2020

Rianai wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

What makes you believe that I would want Malacaths or IP to get buffed by 50% or at all?
All you do is try to spite me with assumptions about my playstyles and sets I am using, where your knowledge goes (very evidently) close to 0. Particularly since I am mainly a pver judged by mere time investment.

That's what you just wrote, no? Or do you want to deny that you are using those sets in PvP? Both fairly easy to identify btw.

Dracane wrote: »

Vicious death was buffed by nearly 50% when factoring in the newly added spell penetration. A buff rarely done to any set, particularly one already so strong to begin with.
A set which is famous for being a Nightblade Bomber's best friend. You really have the nerves to complain about such a hefty buff? That is greedy. You will love it and you know it very well.

Again, where am i complaining about vd buffs? All i said is, those buffs are hardly relevant for bomb blade, which could be translated into "i don't care". That's about as neutral as an opinion can get.

Saying you do not care is fair. Though the message that comes with these expressions is "Not enough of a buff, need more." That is the impression that stroke me from one of your earlier comments.
And saying that this is not a relevant buff for a bomb blade, is... adventurous.

Regarding sets; I shall not abide accusations of me wanting already strong sets buffed.
And as you are not known to me in game, I also wonder where you identify anything.

xXMeowMeowXx · July 2020

Dracane wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

I'm not complaining. I just disagree with assumptions made in this thread and i do so based on my experience aquired by actually playing bomb blade over the past ~ 3 years during different metas, and i'm very confident that my knowledge about the playstyle in question exceeds yours by far.

And imagine asking for 50% buffs (it is not even 50% in case of vd but w/e) to something like Malacath or IP. Tells a lot about how much you value balance. Nerfs? You must be talking about that 1% Frags nerf or 10 max mag less that is more than offset by the sustain buffs magsorc just recieved.

What makes you believe that I would want Malacaths or IP to get buffed by 50% or at all?
All you do is try to spite me with assumptions about my playstyles and sets I am using, where your knowledge goes (very evidently) close to 0. Particularly since I am mainly a pver judged by mere time investment.

Vicious death was buffed by nearly 50% when factoring in the newly added spell penetration. A buff rarely done to any set, particularly one already so strong to begin with.
A set which is famous for being a Nightblade Bomber's best friend. You really have the nerves to complain about such a hefty buff? That is greedy. You will love it and you know it very well.

Why? I mean you lied about meeting me in IC 😂😭🤣

You have no regard for false accusations, lmfao what a joke.

Vaoh · July 2020

Tbh, bombing in PvP never appealed to me. It’s basically along the lines of Snipe ganking but much more effective and less looked down upon. As soon as you make the proper build you can secure tons of kills from stealth doing one thing and then run away/avoid the combat part of PvP.

I used to play a huge amount of PvP in ESO, most of it solo. What I found so fun were the little things - dodging attacks which were not desynced, streaking through a 2H gapcloser, lining up burst combo after burst combo knowing that if I slip up, or my skilled opponent slips up, then it’d be over quickly. Reflecting meteors, rampaging through less skilled players because sets were mostly just to increase stats and damage procs were weak. Recovery was a legit stat on both sets and food, heavy attacks barely returned anything. CCs were breakable, stuns always visible on my character, tanks left useless except strictly for being hard to kill or casting negates. Oh and abilities actually firing/not being so ridiculously clunky.

Basically it used to be very good PvP..... a working game with tons of build variety and a place where you could do incredible things as a good player even usually during prime time. There’s a very good reason why ESO population has increased yet the PvP population is astronomically less compared to before Morrowind. And if PvP wasn’t the only good source of Transmute Crystals in the whole game?? There’s be much less players still.

With that said, pretty much all of Cyrodiil is now played in a huge zerg surrounding the central keeps. Bombers are gonna have a great time with this buff lol. Can’t wait for the ridiculous clips

Dracane · July 2020

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

I'm not complaining. I just disagree with assumptions made in this thread and i do so based on my experience aquired by actually playing bomb blade over the past ~ 3 years during different metas, and i'm very confident that my knowledge about the playstyle in question exceeds yours by far.

And imagine asking for 50% buffs (it is not even 50% in case of vd but w/e) to something like Malacath or IP. Tells a lot about how much you value balance. Nerfs? You must be talking about that 1% Frags nerf or 10 max mag less that is more than offset by the sustain buffs magsorc just recieved.

What makes you believe that I would want Malacaths or IP to get buffed by 50% or at all?
All you do is try to spite me with assumptions about my playstyles and sets I am using, where your knowledge goes (very evidently) close to 0. Particularly since I am mainly a pver judged by mere time investment.

Vicious death was buffed by nearly 50% when factoring in the newly added spell penetration. A buff rarely done to any set, particularly one already so strong to begin with.
A set which is famous for being a Nightblade Bomber's best friend. You really have the nerves to complain about such a hefty buff? That is greedy. You will love it and you know it very well.

Why? I mean you lied about meeting me in IC 😂😭🤣

You have no regard for false accusations, lmfao what a joke.

Maybe I just mistake you for someone? On PC EU, there is a Daggerfall Covenant Warden with an account name that is something like xXMeowMeowXx or very similar. I found it easy to believe that this would be you. How likely is it that names are so similar.

And I greeted you with friendliness in your thread. So please refrain from accusing me of vile intentions. My intentions were good. Next time I see the person in question, I take a screenshot and message you and you can tell me if it is you or not. I do not want to lie to you.