BUGS and EXPLOITS its a JOKE how its dealt with

gatekeeper13 · June 2020

Moonsorrow wrote: »

The NB could have had their Shade put up there, by activating it again he/she gets back to where it was. Same can be done with Undo (when it works) but with smaller time frame. But works even from mid air while dropping down from wall, when not laggy atleast - you get back to where you were (up in the wall in this case).

So always before thinking of exploit.. think about the legit ways of it being possible. As a one who plays NB a lot, i know of these things, one can use Shade/Undo and be trollish when others jump down after you, but you get back up and have a laugh.

Also.. about Magnum Shot. You know how many times it does push people inside buildings and structures so they get stuck there, and can occasionally find a way then to get out inside the wall or floor by some point in the structure that allows you to jump or dodge roll out.

I have been personally Magnum Shot to inside floor or wall way too many times.

Nope. No Shade on the wall he could tp to. First, the shade is visible, not invisible. Second, the TP (if there was one) took place around 10+ seconds after he fell down, Temporal guard could ve only moved him in the ground again, not on the walls. And third, he was dropped clearly on the ground from the magnum shot, not inside a wall.

If it wasn't an exploit, then there was a 3rd NB with similar outfit that looked like him.

rfennell_ESO · June 2020

JonnytheKing wrote: »

So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player

If anyone recalls the poison bug with poison injection they might get an understanding.

Basically, I was a poison build (morag tong, marksman set basically) using double damage poisons.

The bug was that once execute range on poison injection was achieved it was applying to all poison damage. That's *poisoned* and the double ticking poison and poison injection.

I knew it was broken when I would see decent to good players go down without being able to react. Normally, any decent player or good player required me to close to melee to kill them, I wasn't just spamming bow shots on them to kill them. But with the bug, the poison injection execute applying to all poison damage made it so with (at the time) major defile on target they were dead eventually.

I was using that particular nightblade build long before (and after) the bug with poison injection.

Was I supposed to stop playing that build because I knew there was a bug?

My answer is even though I knew there was a bug (or suspected might be the correct word) why would it be my choice to willingly switch builds from what I liked to play as and had been (and continued to well after the fix) to avoid exploiting a bug?

I certainly don't think it was exploiting, even though I was quite aware something was wrong as it was what I was going to do anyways. Obviously I was accused by many a player of exploiting, but was it exploiting when it was a bug on ZOS' end and not me intentionally switching to a build to exploit it?

Even if I knew there was a bug and switched up my entire play style to exploit the bug, I don't think it should have been considered exploiting. It's their mess, they need to fix it. This applies to many bugs that exist in the game.

mairwen85 · June 2020

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player

If anyone recalls the poison bug with poison injection they might get an understanding.

Basically, I was a poison build (morag tong, marksman set basically) using double damage poisons.

The bug was that once execute range on poison injection was achieved it was applying to all poison damage. That's *poisoned* and the double ticking poison and poison injection.

I knew it was broken when I would see decent to good players go down without being able to react. Normally, any decent player or good player required me to close to melee to kill them, I wasn't just spamming bow shots on them to kill them. But with the bug, the poison injection execute applying to all poison damage made it so with (at the time) major defile on target they were dead eventually.

I was using that particular nightblade build long before (and after) the bug with poison injection.

Was I supposed to stop playing that build because I knew there was a bug?

My answer is even though I knew there was a bug (or suspected might be the correct word) why would it be my choice to willingly switch builds from what I liked to play as and had been (and continued to well after the fix) to avoid exploiting a bug?

I certainly don't think it was exploiting, even though I was quite aware something was wrong as it was what I was going to do anyways. Obviously I was accused by many a player of exploiting, but was it exploiting when it was a bug on ZOS' end and not me intentionally switching to a build to exploit it?

Even if I knew there was a bug and switched up my entire play style to exploit the bug, I don't think it should have been considered exploiting. It's their mess, they need to fix it. This applies to many bugs that exist in the game.

It's something of a grey area in practice, certainly (technically you were exploiting a known broken mechanic, but you did so within the intended use case of the skill in question), but as I said in a previous post, the onus is on ZOS to fix it, and as players we have the choice to make use of it and/or report it. If we choose to use it, then the consequences are ours to own. In other words, we can't complain if punitive measures are taken--the question is only whether zos will impose them.

redgreensunset · June 2020

JonnytheKing wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player

if you use a bug 1-3 then it can be a mistake but if you use reg then its the players fault

So the poeple that desink me over and over , are at fult ? so poeple shouldnt use bow at all is wat your saying or skills with cast times or any ranged skills

If you know it's a bug and you make use of it to your advantage, that's the definition of exploiting.

As a player you have the responsibility to report bugs to be fixed, not exploit them for gain and/or teach others to exploit them.

Onus is on ZOS to fix, but it's on us to ensure it is reported in the first place.

i agree but 6 mouths to fix a simple bug , dont let poeple group que when dead , i promise u that if this was happing in pve it would be fixed all ready

There's many PvE bugs that have gone unfixed too. Come on now, don't be that guy. PvE exploits exist too, and people are punished for using them.

i know that , but im talkg about massive game breaking bugs ,

And you think those don't exist in PvE?

name some that have been in the game for 6 plus mouths

Vet Frostvault bugs. Which startrd sometime early last year and still haven't been fixed. Last I checked 12 months is far more than 6.

at the end of the day this is not about pve vs pvp bugs its about the lack of care zos has

My dude, you were the one who made it about pve vs pvp in the first place.

Alomar · June 2020

Who would fix bugs or exploits when you can much more quickly reskin an old model of a pet or mount!? They don’t take us seriously anymore, don’t take them.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo · June 2020

What is the rez bug?

Someone whispered me a lot this afternoon claiming that I had done it. I had to explain to this guy that two friendly players (nb's) were around and one rezzed me, but it continued with posting video comments and said I didn't have a blue Aura.

rfennell_ESO · June 2020

mairwen85 wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player

If anyone recalls the poison bug with poison injection they might get an understanding.

Basically, I was a poison build (morag tong, marksman set basically) using double damage poisons.

The bug was that once execute range on poison injection was achieved it was applying to all poison damage. That's *poisoned* and the double ticking poison and poison injection.

I knew it was broken when I would see decent to good players go down without being able to react. Normally, any decent player or good player required me to close to melee to kill them, I wasn't just spamming bow shots on them to kill them. But with the bug, the poison injection execute applying to all poison damage made it so with (at the time) major defile on target they were dead eventually.

I was using that particular nightblade build long before (and after) the bug with poison injection.

Was I supposed to stop playing that build because I knew there was a bug?

My answer is even though I knew there was a bug (or suspected might be the correct word) why would it be my choice to willingly switch builds from what I liked to play as and had been (and continued to well after the fix) to avoid exploiting a bug?

I certainly don't think it was exploiting, even though I was quite aware something was wrong as it was what I was going to do anyways. Obviously I was accused by many a player of exploiting, but was it exploiting when it was a bug on ZOS' end and not me intentionally switching to a build to exploit it?

Even if I knew there was a bug and switched up my entire play style to exploit the bug, I don't think it should have been considered exploiting. It's their mess, they need to fix it. This applies to many bugs that exist in the game.

It's something of a grey area in practice, certainly (technically you were exploiting a known broken mechanic, but you did so within the intended use case of the skill in question), but as I said in a previous post, the onus is on ZOS to fix it, and as players we have the choice to make use of it and/or report it. If we choose to use it, then the consequences are ours to own. In other words, we can't complain if punitive measures are taken--the question is only whether zos will impose them.

Oh I agree that it's on ZOS to fix it.

But, once it became obvious that something was borked, was I supposed to stop using poison injection and poisons? That would be a ridiculous assertion on their part to take action on me when I basically didn't do anything to exploit a broken mechanic except happen to benefit from it.

It's been too often where something gets broken in a patch and festers for months with ZOS.

gatekeeper13 · June 2020

Youyouz06 wrote: »

What is the rez bug?

Someone whispered me a lot this afternoon claiming that I had done it. I had to explain to this guy that two friendly players (nb's) were around and one rezzed me, but it continued with posting video comments and said I didn't have a blue Aura.

Rez bug is when someone can rez by himself, without anyone else rez him. It does happen. I have seen it with my own eyes.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · June 2020

JonnytheKing wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player

if you use a bug 1-3 then it can be a mistake but if you use reg then its the players fault

So the poeple that desink me over and over , are at fult ? so poeple shouldnt use bow at all is wat your saying or skills with cast times or any ranged skills

if you use a bug over and over and know its a bug its the players fault

So you are saying that you are not allowed to use cast time skills in PvP at all?

by zos logic yes they should be banned , thats what they said in replie to the rez bug , but what they said stands for any bug , witch is dumb . What are they going to ban %30 of the player base

This is just not factual, the res bug if done repeatedly is deliberate exploiting of a bug. this is likely why they want to see video evidence because if the player does it once or twice it could simply be coincidence due to the steps to reproduce the exploit.

Simply using a skill in the game is not an exploit.

TineaCruris · June 2020

The two biggest offenders I've been repeatedly reporting for using the rez bug were in game, still using the exploit today. My first report was over a week ago.