if <loss of revenue> <= <cost of fix>
do nothing
else <push to marketing>
alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player
if you use a bug 1-3 then it can be a mistake but if you use reg then its the players fault
So the poeple that desink me over and over , are at fult ? so poeple shouldnt use bow at all is wat your saying or skills with cast times or any ranged skills
if you use a bug over and over and know its a bug its the players fault
So you are saying that you are not allowed to use cast time skills in PvP at all?
what!!! please dont try and put words in my mouth, if you know a skill can be expolited then dont use it, or use it that is ur risk, but to state i use it because the game is broken is no excuse, use skills that dont or cant be expolited, i dont use on my pvp character vanikfar whitestrike in non cp ep, i changed skills to stop make sure i did not expolit a bug, but if you want to use and possible recieve a ban go ahead, but to use a bug is giving peeps and unfair advantage on others who are not using it
Since we both play on the same campaign and same side, I know we have similar experiences with performance. There are some exploits that are more obvious, like "ress with scroll at gates". Then there's builds designed around using desynch to your advantage. Sniper builds really don't need desynch and lag to be effective, it just one of the builds that works in both cases.
The problem here is that the skill is so useful and essential to the build (mainly for the range+dmg), especially in keep battles that not using it nerfs the whole build completely. Think most of us with this build uses it with non laggy combat in mind, I do at least.
I can understand you avoiding certain skills, this is why I generally don't use "Undo", but I don't want to avoid a skill completely that works as intended for me 96 shots out a hundred at the very least.
indeed i agree but to just blame zos for the bug is wrong thats what some here are doing, yes they should fix it, but to say well they have not fixed it means i can use it is wrong, as you know i am norm in the middle of ad and dc so maybe i can swap to skills that dont desync easier
Yesterday I also realized that one of the most reliable instacast skills in those situations can also get desynched which I didn't want it to do. A couple of us use that skill because it tends to be one of the few skills that works as intended in most of those situations, i e I can weave with it instead of it not firing at all. Unlike ults which I usually don't even attempt to cast as it rarely works when you need it to.
I tend to mix my fighting up there, so I can get some small scale with less performance issues. The difference between those and large battles (some issues but rare I desynch there) or fighting ball groups (desynch most of the time) is huge.
yep indeed most issue for desynch comes from fighting a certain 2 ball groups i have found, even other members of mos found they get a slow bug from fighting them
alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player
if you use a bug 1-3 then it can be a mistake but if you use reg then its the players fault
Curious_Death wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player
if you use a bug 1-3 then it can be a mistake but if you use reg then its the players fault
and bug/exploit is just made by PLAYERS? we patched server with untested software? ahhh *** players... as always
JonnytheKing wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player
if you use a bug 1-3 then it can be a mistake but if you use reg then its the players fault
So the poeple that desink me over and over , are at fult ? so poeple shouldnt use bow at all is wat your saying or skills with cast times or any ranged skills
If you know it's a bug and you make use of it to your advantage, that's the definition of exploiting.
As a player you have the responsibility to report bugs to be fixed, not exploit them for gain and/or teach others to exploit them.
Onus is on ZOS to fix, but it's on us to ensure it is reported in the first place.
i agree but 6 mouths to fix a simple bug , dont let poeple group que when dead , i promise u that if this was happing in pve it would be fixed all ready
There's many PvE bugs that have gone unfixed too. Come on now, don't be that guy. PvE exploits exist too, and people are punished for using them.
i know that , but im talkg about massive game breaking bugs ,
And you think those don't exist in PvE?
name some that have been in the game for 6 plus mouths
redgreensunset wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player
if you use a bug 1-3 then it can be a mistake but if you use reg then its the players fault
So the poeple that desink me over and over , are at fult ? so poeple shouldnt use bow at all is wat your saying or skills with cast times or any ranged skills
If you know it's a bug and you make use of it to your advantage, that's the definition of exploiting.
As a player you have the responsibility to report bugs to be fixed, not exploit them for gain and/or teach others to exploit them.
Onus is on ZOS to fix, but it's on us to ensure it is reported in the first place.
i agree but 6 mouths to fix a simple bug , dont let poeple group que when dead , i promise u that if this was happing in pve it would be fixed all ready
There's many PvE bugs that have gone unfixed too. Come on now, don't be that guy. PvE exploits exist too, and people are punished for using them.
i know that , but im talkg about massive game breaking bugs ,
And you think those don't exist in PvE?
name some that have been in the game for 6 plus mouths
Vet Frostvault bugs. Which startrd sometime early last year and still haven't been fixed. Last I checked 12 months is far more than 6.
Curious_Death wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player
if you use a bug 1-3 then it can be a mistake but if you use reg then its the players fault
and bug/exploit is just made by PLAYERS? we patched server with untested software? ahhh *** players... as always
As I said, if it's reported, onus is on ZOS to fix. If they choose not to, or there is a protracted delivery time on the fix, is it justified for players to continue to make use of it? That's the player's choice--but if we choose to, we can't complain if we're punished for it at a later point.
So long as the players are using abilities as they are meant to be used, it's not an exploit, just a bug and it's on ZOS. If players are doing unnatural things, unintended to do what they are doing to cause the issue, it's an exploit.
As an example; snipe ganking is within the mechanics of the game. Sneaking and sniping from stealth and just activating abilities, no matter what order, is intended to be an option for you. If those desync the way THEY still do, it's entirely on ZOS. Being dead, and knowing you are not supposed to be self rezing should be enough, but if not; clearly using group finder or some subsystem in the game menu is not intended to be used while dead for that purpose.
I think ZOS even has it in their own definition of exploits as "outside their intended use."
JonnytheKing wrote: »So long as the players are using abilities as they are meant to be used, it's not an exploit, just a bug and it's on ZOS. If players are doing unnatural things, unintended to do what they are doing to cause the issue, it's an exploit.
As an example; snipe ganking is within the mechanics of the game. Sneaking and sniping from stealth and just activating abilities, no matter what order, is intended to be an option for you. If those desync the way THEY still do, it's entirely on ZOS. Being dead, and knowing you are not supposed to be self rezing should be enough, but if not; clearly using group finder or some subsystem in the game menu is not intended to be used while dead for that purpose.
I think ZOS even has it in their own definition of exploits as "outside their intended use."
but there is poeple exploiting desink sooooo ?
Curious_Death wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player
if you use a bug 1-3 then it can be a mistake but if you use reg then its the players fault
and bug/exploit is just made by PLAYERS? we patched server with untested software? ahhh *** players... as always
JonnytheKing wrote: »Stop making excuses for cheating. If you didn't cheat you have no worry about any ban.
This happens every time people get caught exploiting. They start making excuses and pointing fingers. As for comparing this exploit to desynch. That's just an attempt to shift blame.
lol no its not , im sick of zos not careing and shifting blame to the player , yes the player is at fult but poeple will be poeple , at the end of the day zos needs to take the right actions and they just are not, and thats why poeple dont care and abuse the game
JonnytheKing wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player
if you use a bug 1-3 then it can be a mistake but if you use reg then its the players fault
So the poeple that desink me over and over , are at fult ? so poeple shouldnt use bow at all is wat your saying or skills with cast times or any ranged skills
If you know it's a bug and you make use of it to your advantage, that's the definition of exploiting.
As a player you have the responsibility to report bugs to be fixed, not exploit them for gain and/or teach others to exploit them.
Onus is on ZOS to fix, but it's on us to ensure it is reported in the first place.
i agree but 6 mouths to fix a simple bug , dont let poeple group que when dead , i promise u that if this was happing in pve it would be fixed all ready
The suggestion that people just don’t use skills that cause desync is crazy. All skills in the game can cause desyncs, including light attacks and even seige. That doesn’t leave many options open except heals and buffs.
People need to stop making excuses for Zos. Like the old saying goes don’t hate the player, hate the game.
JonnytheKing wrote: »name some that have been in the game for 6 plus mouths
The suggestion that people just don’t use skills that cause desync is crazy. All skills in the game can cause desyncs, including light attacks and even seige. That doesn’t leave many options open except heals and buffs.
People need to stop making excuses for Zos. Like the old saying goes don’t hate the player, hate the game.
JonnytheKing wrote: »Stop making excuses for cheating. If you didn't cheat you have no worry about any ban.
This happens every time people get caught exploiting. They start making excuses and pointing fingers. As for comparing this exploit to desynch. That's just an attempt to shift blame.
lol no its not , im sick of zos not careing and shifting blame to the player , yes the player is at fult but poeple will be poeple , at the end of the day zos needs to take the right actions and they just are not, and thats why poeple dont care and abuse the game
Keep on abusing it, sooner or later the choice will be removed for you.
JonnytheKing wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player
if you use a bug 1-3 then it can be a mistake but if you use reg then its the players fault
So the poeple that desink me over and over , are at fult ? so poeple shouldnt use bow at all is wat your saying or skills with cast times or any ranged skills
If you know it's a bug and you make use of it to your advantage, that's the definition of exploiting.
As a player you have the responsibility to report bugs to be fixed, not exploit them for gain and/or teach others to exploit them.
Onus is on ZOS to fix, but it's on us to ensure it is reported in the first place.
i agree but 6 mouths to fix a simple bug , dont let poeple group que when dead , i promise u that if this was happing in pve it would be fixed all ready
JonnytheKing wrote: »redgreensunset wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »So iv seen a lot of posts about the rez bug , This has been in the game for 6 mouths plus ,
Poeple are blaming players , when i think zos needs to take more responsabilitty and fix simple bugs faster
insted they say film it and report it so we can ban them .
Does this mean poeple exploiting desinks are in the wrong as well.
Poeple have lost faith in zos, how are poeple meant to care when in my opinon ZOS has shown over and over pvp is
last thing they care about , Brokon promise after brokon promise.
Stop blaming the player
if you use a bug 1-3 then it can be a mistake but if you use reg then its the players fault
So the poeple that desink me over and over , are at fult ? so poeple shouldnt use bow at all is wat your saying or skills with cast times or any ranged skills
If you know it's a bug and you make use of it to your advantage, that's the definition of exploiting.
As a player you have the responsibility to report bugs to be fixed, not exploit them for gain and/or teach others to exploit them.
Onus is on ZOS to fix, but it's on us to ensure it is reported in the first place.
i agree but 6 mouths to fix a simple bug , dont let poeple group que when dead , i promise u that if this was happing in pve it would be fixed all ready
There's many PvE bugs that have gone unfixed too. Come on now, don't be that guy. PvE exploits exist too, and people are punished for using them.
i know that , but im talkg about massive game breaking bugs ,
And you think those don't exist in PvE?
name some that have been in the game for 6 plus mouths
Vet Frostvault bugs. Which startrd sometime early last year and still haven't been fixed. Last I checked 12 months is far more than 6.
at the end of the day this is not about pve vs pvp bugs its about the lack of care zos has
JonnytheKing wrote: »JonnytheKing wrote: »Stop making excuses for cheating. If you didn't cheat you have no worry about any ban.
This happens every time people get caught exploiting. They start making excuses and pointing fingers. As for comparing this exploit to desynch. That's just an attempt to shift blame.
lol no its not , im sick of zos not careing and shifting blame to the player , yes the player is at fult but poeple will be poeple , at the end of the day zos needs to take the right actions and they just are not, and thats why poeple dont care and abuse the game
Keep on abusing it, sooner or later the choice will be removed for you.
once agian missing the point
gatekeeper13 wrote: »Guys, I would like your opinion on sth I noticed yesterday.
Does an exploit/bug exist that helps you climb keep walls or get through them?
Why I am asking? Cause I noticed sth very strange yesterday. There was a siege and 2 NB's, after the MG was opened, managed to pass through and get on the walls. I went to fight them, managed to kill the one and magnum shot the other from the walls. I saw him falling down. Since the other guy was alone and dead, I guessed there was no one else around that could rez him. So I left. But seconds later, as I looked behind, I saw the other NB I threw from the walls rez him and they both run and got inside the closest tower. There is absolutely not 1/1.000.000 that the second NB had the time to run around the keep and enter through the MG again.
Is sth like that possible? Or was I mistaken and there was a 3rd NB around that looked like the other one?