ADDITIONAL CHACTACHTER SLOT: an humble plea

Grianasteri · June 2020

This topic crops up again and again, because ZOS does not seem to be listening.

Anyone interested may find the following two threads of interest (though the 2nd is somewhat hijacked by pedants in the comments, its the poll result that matter).

How many character slots do players have on average? Here is an answer:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493216/how-many-characters-do-you-have/p1

Would you like more character slots? Vote here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/518934/would-you-like-more-character-slots-available/p1

Algorax · June 2020

Grianasteri wrote: »

This topic crops up again and again, because ZOS does not seem to be listening.

Anyone interested may find the following two threads of interest (though the 2nd is somewhat hijacked by pedants in the comments, its the poll result that matter).

How many character slots do players have on average? Here is an answer:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493216/how-many-characters-do-you-have/p1

Would you like more character slots? Vote here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/518934/would-you-like-more-character-slots-available/p1

Thank you, i just voted and i must say that each resoult was completely expected ,even the percentages are quite close to what i foresaw. This confirms many sad things i was just speculating...

Btw yes: petty commenters are an inferstation in many forum, you can clearly feel the malice in their words, the lust for disorder and discord.

Eifleber · June 2020

I don't really see any reason why the max amount wouldn't be extended ..

No reason to decide for others if they have too many characters.

Personally I think I have too many characters (12) now. But I am still in the process of trying out builds and races to find out what I like best and one day I will decide which one is my main. Perhaps I am slow but I can't understand how people can decide that in one go. And since accounts aren't free I'd rather spend my plus crowns on some extra slots for that instead of deleting characters that would eventually have become my main. The horror!!

Simple as that!

Algorax · June 2020

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Keledus · June 2020

Fact that this hasn't been done yet is quite mindblowing. It only earns ZoS more money in the end.
They could just keep the train going with you spending crowns for a slot.

Tho maybe there are some system difficulties/limits.

Also, 18 characters fully geared etc? damn you've been busy.

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Meanwhile I’m almost done leveling my 4th character in like 6 years and even that feels excessive.

Question - how many of you 18 character folks have max CP? I ask because it often seems like altaholics rarely get very far in the actual game. It’s common to read things on here like “I have 18 characters between both servers and have been playing since launch. I’m at 125 CP.”

Anyway, if you’re at max CP then ignore this but if not, may I suggest actually playing the game before you make another 20 characters?

810 cp is about half a year give or take of doing your daily bg's/dungeons (If you use your xp scrolls from login rewards on it helps alot aswell), the game has existed for what 6 years now? so it's not that insane to have lots of characters and be at the cp cap.

And leveling to 50 on a character takes like 24 hours at most if doing it the fast ways. (Not including the yearly xp events, which makes it even faster)

Algorax · June 2020

Keledus wrote: »

Fact that this hasn't been done yet is quite mindblowing. It only earns ZoS more money in the end.
They could just keep the train going with you spending crowns for a slot.

Tho maybe there are some system difficulties/limits.

Also, 18 characters fully geared etc? damn you've been busy.

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Meanwhile I’m almost done leveling my 4th character in like 6 years and even that feels excessive.

Question - how many of you 18 character folks have max CP? I ask because it often seems like altaholics rarely get very far in the actual game. It’s common to read things on here like “I have 18 characters between both servers and have been playing since launch. I’m at 125 CP.”

Anyway, if you’re at max CP then ignore this but if not, may I suggest actually playing the game before you make another 20 characters?

810 cp is about half a year give or take of doing your daily bg's/dungeons (If you use your xp scrolls from login rewards on it helps alot aswell), the game has existed for what 6 years now? so it's not that insane to have lots of characters and be at the cp cap.

And leveling to 50 on a character takes like 24 hours at most if doing it the fast ways. (Not including the yearly xp events, which makes it even faster)

Well, i've been plaing since 2015 and at least 4 characters were made before the one tamriel upgrade so it was quite hard to level up back then.
But yes, it is a missed chance for both parties...

Sirona_Starr · June 2020

resdayn00 wrote: »

Algorax wrote: »

I'ts a matter of individuality and points of view.
Some of us are more creative and they exploit ESO high cutomisable talent system and charaacter creation to have some fun.
For this and other reasons, it has no sense to debate about the "reasonable" amount of characters and we already uncovered the reasons why a 2nd account would not be a viable option as we explained how not providing more slots eventually translates in a loss for ZOS itself.
It's not a matter of "begging" it's all about making everyone perceive the inadequate current state of things so that something is done.

Apologies if my language was not clear. I have absolutely nothing against altoholics, I'm genuinely amazed by the amount of dedication some of these players including you have. That being said, I tend to disagree with adding more slots. I would guess that having more character data means it needs to be stored somewhere somehow. I don't know the technical details at all, but I would also guess that if having even more characters had no impact on game and server performance, they would add the option to have over 18. A new account possibly creates anywhere from 1-18 new characters, but adding the option for one more slot possibly generates thousands of new characters on thousands of accounts. I'd be interested to see how many characters the average account has, and even more interested in how many active characters the average account has. I won't lie, I have 8 characters created, but I play on one character all the time and the rest are effectively mules. Looking at my friend list, I also tend to see mostly the same character names, it's rare to see an account that constantly changes between more than 4-5 characters.

This thread probably leans towards those with more alts, but the state of things being inadequate seems to be a stretch for me. Judging by my previous MMO experience, 18 is already a high number of characters you can have on one account. Yes, there are probably MMOs with more character slots, you can always find a counterexample.

As much as it sounds upsetting, I think that on a macro level, altoholics who actively play all characters represent a minority. Having the option for a 19th or 20th character slot is probably not a problem of money, but rather resources and load on the game.

My thoughts on game load. Everyone can access 18 character slots. Not everyone does. The game is built with the load capacity for everyone to max out 18 character slots. Again, they don't. So, there is a lot of unused character slots/load available that could translate into more character slots being available for those who want them. I'd pay. I'd buy from other people too, but I think that would be pretty complicated to allow/apply.

Algorax · June 2020

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

resdayn00 wrote: »

Algorax wrote: »

I'ts a matter of individuality and points of view.
Some of us are more creative and they exploit ESO high cutomisable talent system and charaacter creation to have some fun.
For this and other reasons, it has no sense to debate about the "reasonable" amount of characters and we already uncovered the reasons why a 2nd account would not be a viable option as we explained how not providing more slots eventually translates in a loss for ZOS itself.
It's not a matter of "begging" it's all about making everyone perceive the inadequate current state of things so that something is done.

Apologies if my language was not clear. I have absolutely nothing against altoholics, I'm genuinely amazed by the amount of dedication some of these players including you have. That being said, I tend to disagree with adding more slots. I would guess that having more character data means it needs to be stored somewhere somehow. I don't know the technical details at all, but I would also guess that if having even more characters had no impact on game and server performance, they would add the option to have over 18. A new account possibly creates anywhere from 1-18 new characters, but adding the option for one more slot possibly generates thousands of new characters on thousands of accounts. I'd be interested to see how many characters the average account has, and even more interested in how many active characters the average account has. I won't lie, I have 8 characters created, but I play on one character all the time and the rest are effectively mules. Looking at my friend list, I also tend to see mostly the same character names, it's rare to see an account that constantly changes between more than 4-5 characters.

This thread probably leans towards those with more alts, but the state of things being inadequate seems to be a stretch for me. Judging by my previous MMO experience, 18 is already a high number of characters you can have on one account. Yes, there are probably MMOs with more character slots, you can always find a counterexample.

As much as it sounds upsetting, I think that on a macro level, altoholics who actively play all characters represent a minority. Having the option for a 19th or 20th character slot is probably not a problem of money, but rather resources and load on the game.

My thoughts on game load. Everyone can access 18 character slots. Not everyone does. The game is built with the load capacity for everyone to max out 18 character slots. Again, they don't. So, there is a lot of unused character slots/load available that could translate into more character slots being available for those who want them. I'd pay. I'd buy from other people too, but I think that would be pretty complicated to allow/apply.

Maybe those slots are already there, prepared for the next patches. I don't know: i am here to know if there is any way for a faithful alchonolic to get more spaces

Arrodisia · June 2020

I'd really like to see more character slots too.

I love leveling and building each character with their own outfits, sets, and rp personalities, as well as having many combat alternatives to choose from. I have an army of PvP only characters and an army of PvE only characters and some rp only characters. For example, I have a wonderful Breton who picks and sells flowers at the local market in town, a lovely Redguard who walks the sand dusted roads of Alik'r seeking enlightenment and offering help to those less fortunate, awesome characters who guard the keeps many a day and night, and also many who do trials and dungeons when players in my guilds need help. Many players who don't use nameplates mistake my characters for NPCs. I get many positive comments on how interactive I am with the game and other players.

Having more character slots gives active players more possibilities to remain in the game and not become bored.

Have a wonderful day and stay safe, everyone.

Onigar · June 2020

really, more character slots. I dont want this. It would mean I need to buy them and progress them from new.

with 2 accounts and 36 characters, for me I have enough.

If I really want to expand I could create accounts on EU and have up another 36 characters but maybe that would cause my head to explode so I am not going there

heaven13 · June 2020

Onigar wrote: »

really, more character slots. I dont want this. It would mean I need to buy them and progress them from new.

with 2 accounts and 36 characters, for me I have enough.

If I really want to expand I could create accounts on EU and have up another 36 characters but maybe that would cause my head to explode so I am not going there

You don't have to buy them, just because they are there. Seems a rather silly reason not to let other people buy more slots that DO want them.

Arrodisia · June 2020

heaven13 wrote: »

Onigar wrote: »

really, more character slots. I dont want this. It would mean I need to buy them and progress them from new.

with 2 accounts and 36 characters, for me I have enough.

If I really want to expand I could create accounts on EU and have up another 36 characters but maybe that would cause my head to explode so I am not going there

You don't have to buy them, just because they are there. Seems a rather silly reason not to let other people buy more slots that DO want them.

My sentiments exactly. The many players who want them and are willing to pay for them, should have the chance to get them.

Algorax · June 2020

Onigar wrote: »

really, more character slots. I dont want this. It would mean I need to buy them and progress them from new.

with 2 accounts and 36 characters, for me I have enough.

If I really want to expand I could create accounts on EU and have up another 36 characters but maybe that would cause my head to explode so I am not going there

The fact that you were forced to open a second account is a proof of your need of more slots per se, considering that we already debated and attested that having 2 accounts is too dispersive to be a solution to the problem

GenjiraX · June 2020

Is there a database impact with more chactachter slots? I’ve seen that mentioned on similar threads although I understand ZOS is removing old, unused chactachters/accounts plus they have encouraged us to create new chactachters for Gremreymoor.

Algorax · June 2020

GenjiraX wrote: »

Is there a database impact with more chactachter slots? I’ve seen that mentioned on similar threads although I understand ZOS is removing old, unused chactachters/accounts plus they have encouraged us to create new chactachters for Gremreymoor.

That's why i am asking

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to tell us if it is something doable or at least to bring this to the attention of someone capable of providing an answer...

karthrag_inak · June 2020

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Meanwhile I’m almost done leveling my 4th character in like 6 years and even that feels excessive.

Question - how many of you 18 character folks have max CP? I ask because it often seems like altaholics rarely get very far in the actual game. It’s common to read things on here like “I have 18 characters between both servers and have been playing since launch. I’m at 125 CP.”

Anyway, if you’re at max CP then ignore this but if not, may I suggest actually playing the game before you make another 20 characters?

This one has 18, cp 1266. Main has approx 30k achievement points, if that matters. All are 7 prof master crafters, 8+ trait, full horse, master all prof and appropriate weapon skill lines, all but 2 have done vet dungeon and/or trial content, all have finished main quest and all intro quests.

GenjiraX · June 2020

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Question - how many of you 18 character folks have max CP?

I have 18 and I'm >900CP but only nine Lvl 50 characters.

Watchdog · June 2020

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Question - how many of you 18 character folks have max CP?

The question does not make much sense to me. All your characters share the same CP. As soon as any of your characters hits CP 810, all are maximum CP, even freshly created ones at level 1.

That said, I have 16 on my main account and main server (PC EU), and I am at CP900+ there. I only have one below level 50, and that is a new character created to go through the Greymoor tutorial.

heaven13 · June 2020

Watchdog wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Question - how many of you 18 character folks have max CP?

The question does not make much sense to me. All your characters share the same CP. As soon as any of your characters hits CP 810, all are maximum CP, even freshly created ones at level 1.

That said, I have 16 on my main account and main server (PC EU), and I am at CP900+ there. I only have one below level 50, and that is a new character created to go through the Greymoor tutorial.

I think the question could be rephrased to say "How many players that have 18 characters also have max CP" because the assumption is that someone who plays lots of characters isn't investing a lot of time into any of them.

Algorax · June 2020

heaven13 wrote: »

Watchdog wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Question - how many of you 18 character folks have max CP?

The question does not make much sense to me. All your characters share the same CP. As soon as any of your characters hits CP 810, all are maximum CP, even freshly created ones at level 1.

That said, I have 16 on my main account and main server (PC EU), and I am at CP900+ there. I only have one below level 50, and that is a new character created to go through the Greymoor tutorial.

I think the question could be rephrased to say "How many players that have 18 characters also have max CP" because the assumption is that someone who plays lots of characters isn't investing a lot of time into any of them.

It is pointless to ask regardless: it is not for anyone here to decide what's enough since it is purely personal.

Watchdog · June 2020

heaven13 wrote: »

Watchdog wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Question - how many of you 18 character folks have max CP?

The question does not make much sense to me. All your characters share the same CP. As soon as any of your characters hits CP 810, all are maximum CP, even freshly created ones at level 1.

That said, I have 16 on my main account and main server (PC EU), and I am at CP900+ there. I only have one below level 50, and that is a new character created to go through the Greymoor tutorial.

I think the question could be rephrased to say "How many players that have 18 characters also have max CP" because the assumption is that someone who plays lots of characters isn't investing a lot of time into any of them.

Well, yes, but it is worth noting that actually, as soon as you get more alts to level 50, the CP grind becomes much more bearable, since they all contribute to the CP pool and you can play a variety of roles and builds.

heaven13 · June 2020

Algorax wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Watchdog wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Question - how many of you 18 character folks have max CP?

The question does not make much sense to me. All your characters share the same CP. As soon as any of your characters hits CP 810, all are maximum CP, even freshly created ones at level 1.

That said, I have 16 on my main account and main server (PC EU), and I am at CP900+ there. I only have one below level 50, and that is a new character created to go through the Greymoor tutorial.

I think the question could be rephrased to say "How many players that have 18 characters also have max CP" because the assumption is that someone who plays lots of characters isn't investing a lot of time into any of them.

It is pointless to ask regardless: it is not for anyone here to decide what's enough since it is purely personal.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, just restating the question since there was some confusion on what was being asked.

However, if you check out my history with this subject, I've always been for additional character slots. I'd personally be happy with 4 per class even though I might not use them all myself. Each of my characters is their own person and serves their own role; I don't like to have multiple of the same class doing the same role. It's why I only have 2 templars right now: one is a healer and mag dps, one is a tank and stam dps. They switch pretty fluidly between the two, though the former does need to change her morphs between roles which is a small price to pay. I don't currently have a solid idea of what my 3rd would be.

Algorax · June 2020

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Still nothing?

mairwen85 · June 2020

For a true altoholic will any amount ever be enough?

Algorax · June 2020

mairwen85 wrote: »

For a true altoholic will and amount ever be enough?

Each alcoholic is its own case i think....

DreamsUnderStars · June 2020

Set it to 20/20 slots so we can have a round number. :P

EvilAutoTech · June 2020

DreamsUnderStars wrote: »

Set it to 20/20 slots so we can have a round number. :P

2s are crooked. Better be 80/80.

mikikatze · June 2020

GenjiraX wrote: »

although I understand ZOS is removing old, unused chactachters/accounts

I don't think they do. I had an account in beta and only started playing again last summer. Acoount and char were untouched.

heaven13 · June 2020

mikikatze wrote: »

GenjiraX wrote: »

although I understand ZOS is removing old, unused chactachters/accounts

I don't think they do. I had an account in beta and only started playing again last summer. Acoount and char were untouched.

They're not. They're doing something called cold storage which I don't think has been implemented yet but it won't delete any characters, just store ones from accounts that haven't logged in for x amount of time in a "back closet" so to speak. Should the account holder return, they'll be brought back out.

Sylvermynx · June 2020

None of mine have max CP. I find the CP system clunky and since I don't do "endgame" crap, I don't care about CP too much. My main on first account has just over 400; my main on second account has 325 as of yesterday.