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Do you think an ice staff heavy attacks should stay as a taunt?
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Mauin✭✭✭✭NoIf it was on something like the morph of Elemental Drain that nobody uses, I'd be fine with having a destro for tanking, but with the way it is on heavy attacks, it's just frustrating to play with people who either don't know about the passive, or who know about the passive and intentionally use it to troll, or otherwise are aware of it and heavy attack by mistake. I ran an Asylum a month or so ago and one DPS in the group frost staff heavied St. Olms off of me a good five times, resulting in two or three group steams.
It doesn't help that I find the frost staff heavies clunky, so even when I have a staff back bar, I stick to lightning and run Inner Fire. It feels far more fluid to me that way.PC NA CP 1900+
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoThis shows how little I know about the frost staff and taunting from a mechanic/functionality standpoint. First, a frost heavy is a channel similar to a resto attack, right? Second, does the taunt happen at the beginning or end of that channel (will a quick medium attack taunt)?Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on June 16, 2020 7:40PM0 -
kringled_1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Frost staff heavies are like inferno, you hold till you get a single projectile at the end. I don't think mediums taunt but I don't usually take tri focus. I use ice staff for the increased block mitigation.2 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nokringled_1 wrote: »Frost staff heavies are like inferno, you hold till you get a single projectile at the end. I don't think mediums taunt but I don't usually take tri focus. I use ice staff for the increased block mitigation.
Did it used to be a channel? Trying to remember the last time I equipped a frost staff. haha0 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesOreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »kringled_1 wrote: »Frost staff heavies are like inferno, you hold till you get a single projectile at the end. I don't think mediums taunt but I don't usually take tri focus. I use ice staff for the increased block mitigation.
Did it used to be a channel? Trying to remember the last time I equipped a frost staff. haha
Ice staves were never a channel - speaking as someone who used it before the conversion (and still uses it on that character - only with the points removed in desro line so it doesn't taunt enemies). Can't speak to before console release or betas, though...0 -
Major_Lag✭✭✭✭✭
✭If the Ice Staff taunt is here to stay, please at least make it apply a unpurgeable 100% defile to the user if their selected group role is anything else than a tank
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adriant1978✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoThis was a really lazy change when they should have added an "Alteration Staff" built from the ground up for tanking.2 -
Chaos2088✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoNeeds to be a full DPS weapon, and abit of a rework so it gets some use and can use Ice mage Warden fully.@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP0 -
Ardan147✭✭✭✭NoIt's useless as a taunt (takes too long to get iff) and it makes frost staff all but useless for dos, unless you don't put any points into tri-focus.This creature called a songbird. What a devious creation! This winged nuisance erodes sanity with its incessant chirping. What a brilliant form of torture!1
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BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoI always thought bows make more sense, from an RP perspective, to include a taunt. Make it a morph of an early ability so that it does not impact bow dps.0 -
JTD✭✭✭YesUntil they create a new tanking staff it should stay as it is.
I'd like an alteration staff for tanking and i'd like to see ice throwing necromancers.
But then again i wish they'd get rid of the flame staff massive dips lead.
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesYes but they should separate it from the triforce passive. Give it's own passive so that the ice staff is flexibleEdited by spartaxoxo on June 16, 2020 9:46PM1 -
wild_kmacdb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭YesI like the taunt - saves me a skill slot when im running normal dungeons and in overland content0 -
peacenote✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yesspartaxoxo wrote: »Yes but they should separate it from the triforce passive. Give it's own passive so that the ice staff is flexible
I like this idea ^
I was originally unhappy with the change when it was introduced, as I wanted frost DPS builds. Still do. HOWEVER it ushered in a nice era of staves being acceptable for tanking, and I have enjoyed it. A separate passive or a new tanking staff would be better, and would be the only way I personally would support its removal. And none of this "we'll fix this now and add tanking staves later." Nope, don't trust that. Give us a new option and fix it at the same time, or at this point leave it. There's always going to be SOMETHING that confuses new players that they need to learn; for now this just is one of those things.0 -
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✭✭NoIt shouldn't have been that way in the first place. As others have noted, Destruction is all about damage. If there absolutely MUST be some kind of taunt somewhere in the destruction line of skills, it should be on one or more morphs of active skills, and not tacked onto one of the passives.Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.2 -
Monte_Cristo✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoReplace frost clench's freezing the enemy in place effect with the taunt. Keep the damage shield on the heavy attack, though. That'll give staff tanks a quicker taunt, while keeping the additional durability for staff users that want the extra durability.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesIn my opinion, the ice staff passive for heavy attacks completely limits to how often you see it in group play. Besides a tank, who might just go and use a lightning staff or a bow on their back bar (or just be a werewolves now), there's only so many instances where I can think of a use for an ice staff. I believe that a possible re-work for ice staves so their passive for heavy attacks that involves something more interesting than a taunt could make them more used.
If you happened to pick no for the poll, please let me know what you would replace the ice heavy attack passive with. Also I'm interested how often many of you use ice staves in general!
It's very convenient for tanks who are sporting an Ice Staff to be able to get resources back and taunt at the same time. So I would be sad to see it go.
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Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoI prefer to use an ice staff on my back bar while tanking.
I haven't put the passives in for tri focus.
Heavy attacks take too long to be a reasonable taunt. Honestly i'd change ele drain and morphs to be affected by the type of staff and just add taunt to that when used from a frost staff.2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesI prefer to use an ice staff on my back bar while tanking.
I haven't put the passives in for tri focus.
Heavy attacks take too long to be a reasonable taunt. Honestly i'd change ele drain and morphs to be affected by the type of staff and just add taunt to that when used from a frost staff.
For multiple enemies it's not adequate. But for single boss taunting it seems to work fine. At least for me.Edited by Jeremy on June 16, 2020 11:30PM0 -
Hapexamendios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesIt should stay, but it should be a separate passive rather than Tri focus. Tri focus should be a DPS and a separate passive for tanking. Selecting one means you can't select the other.0 -
LeHarrt91✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI like the idea of there being a Magicka Tank weapon, but the taunt should be moved to either its own passive or to Elemental Susceptibility, the other Ele Drain morph that no one uses.
Or reintroduced in a new skill tree.PS NA
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesI like the idea of there being a Magicka Tank weapon, but the taunt should be moved to either its own passive or to Elemental Susceptibility, the other Ele Drain morph that no one uses.
Or reintroduced in a new skill tree.
Adding a new tree would probably be ideal for everyone involved.
It can be pretty frustrating for tanks when DPS players wielding frost staves constantly taunt enemies, especially bosses - then get the blame for when they die.Edited by Jeremy on June 16, 2020 11:56PM0 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As mentioned above, a Heavy Attack is useless for a Taunt, takes too long. Especially as some Bosses take two or three taunts to pay attention to me.
The Taunt should be a Morph of one of the skills for all Destro Staves, maybe Force Pulse or Destructive Reach should have the Taunt Added.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesAs mentioned above, a Heavy Attack is useless for a Taunt, takes too long. Especially as some Bosses take two or three taunts to pay attention to me.
The Taunt should be a Morph of one of the skills for all Destro Staves, maybe Force Pulse or Destructive Reach should have the Taunt Added.
I don't understand why you and others are having a hard time using Heavy Attacks as a taunt against single enemies like bosses. It usually works fine for me.
For multiple enemies I can easily understand the dilemma, because you need to be fast to grab them all and that can be difficult since a Heavy Attack probably takes a good 3 seconds to get off. But the Ice Staff taunt should last 15 seconds once it lands so you ought to have plenty of time to reapply it against most single enemies.
Some bosses do reset hate when they enter new phases and stuff like that. So it does help to have a back up taunt for when you need to be fast. But for general use, I find that heavy attacks are a great way to maintain your resources (plus the mini damage shield) while taunting bosses using the Ice Staff. I do it all the time, even in difficult DLC Veteran Dungeons.Edited by Jeremy on June 17, 2020 12:24AM2 -
EyelessCZ✭✭✭YesWell my main is tank double ice staff. And for good reason and that is combat style of this game. Its unacceptable for me to chase every major mob or boss like mad dog just to hit him to the knee with my sword. Its good for WOW where combat system is limited to hack n slash, throw shield like cpt. America frisbee and taunt whole group.
I time to time face critics from experienced players that I am unable to mitigate burst damage but thats irrelevant, because thx to Alpha Gear I can easily switch to 1H+Shield, proving them wrong, because my health loss to poor mitigation is not caused by it but other mechanic in play, which can be prevented by different play style. Those players are happy anyway because in complicated fights, I can easily taunt 7 targets in 10 - 20s while refilling my mana, which I am using to lower mob ressistances down, etc etc. Even healer is happy, besauce my tank is NB and has very effective group heal in short range.
Besides, there are not so many taunts, and others are quite expensive to cast. I am for keep it as it were.
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LeHarrt91✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI like the idea of there being a Magicka Tank weapon, but the taunt should be moved to either its own passive or to Elemental Susceptibility, the other Ele Drain morph that no one uses.
Or reintroduced in a new skill tree.
Adding a new tree would probably be ideal for everyone involved.
It can be pretty frustrating for tanks when DPS players wielding frost staves constantly taunt enemies, especially bosses - then get the blame for when they die.
Yeah it would be ideal for them to add a new tree, whether it be specifically a magicka tanking weapon line or similar to Psijic with mixed skills and passives with some specific to tanking.
If they have no intention of doing that, moving the taunt to its own passive or to a skill like the Susceptibility morph would be another option. I like the magicka block cost, block reduction and resistance, especially in PvP, im happy for all that to stay.
But for me it is only the taunt on the heavy because i would like to use frost staves (without sacrificing the damage when using the other Staff types, by not taking the Tri-Focus passive) and also as you mentioned DPS that are unaware will taunt the boss.
Then as others have mentioned, add a support effect to the frost heavy, increased frost damage taken or reduce resistance, that way its still useful for Tanks.PS NA
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Zardayne✭✭✭✭✭NoNo. I've always hated how frost was pigeon holed into being a taunt. Hell I've always thought it was ridiculous that fire was single target focused and lightning aoe as well...2 -
Bradyfjord✭✭✭✭✭NoI would move taunt to destructive reach for frost. It would make more sense than what we have now.1
