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Why weren't pre patch vDSA and vMA weapons upgraded to perfected?
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If you farm your weapon pre-patch, that means you can do it again and are ready for them! go get them tiger! if you looking for a cheezy way don't play mmo!
😂 I don't even know where to start with this.
Having the weapons pre-patch means nothing now. Can just smash through normals for the same thing because the perfects offer 0 benefit...
What was that you said, if you want cheezy don't play mmo? Who's getting the cheese in this scenario?
Granted I did run vma 24 times back to back for my inferno, purely for the have. But any more I want, I'll do a quick normal to save time and pots.
Edited by mairwen85 on June 14, 2020 8:35AM1 -
eKsDee✭✭✭✭✭The funny thing is, they did the exact opposite of what they wanted to do -- it's now far more worth your time to grind the imperfected weapons, which are literally 95% (on paper, likely 99% in practice) as powerful as the perfected weapons, on normal, since it's so much faster and easier to grind than vet. Why the hell would I rerun vet, just to get a fraction of a percent more DPS? I'd be better off spending that time in nMA, getting weapons for alts.4 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@idk so if they give us a warning you are ok with highering gear cap when they rework CP?
IDK 'bout idk but I know I would be OK with that.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
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Ye but over 85% of votes on this poll of over 500 voters says otherwise.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/529210/is-it-ok-to-introduce-cp170-gear/p10 -
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Ye but over 85% of votes on this poll of over 500 voters says otherwise.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/529210/is-it-ok-to-introduce-cp170-gear/p1
Believe me... I expect that when they rework CP, the gear cap will be the least of your concerns, no matter how much warning they give you.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
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Ye but over 85% of votes on this poll of over 500 voters says otherwise.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/529210/is-it-ok-to-introduce-cp170-gear/p1
Believe me... I expect that when they rework CP, the gear cap will be the least of your concerns, no matter how much warning they give you.
And raising the gear/level cap has always been arbitrary in ESO, unlike other MMORPGs. Heck, the first increase was when the game was less than 2 months old and only the most active players have reached it already., The second time the game was still less than a year old. We balked and they waited a year+ before doing it again but at least then they added new materials, but it was still was a lackluster change compared to other MMORPGs.
Still, the CP rework and the gear cap are completely irrelevant to this new weapon being added to the game.0 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well mmo's are already known for making things easier for new players to catch up or earn what older players have earned. What's the next step beyond that? The answer is not just allowing new players to catch up easier, but surpass those vets for doing the exact same (though easier now b/c power creep) content if they don't return to refarm it. i.e. lazy devs.-- @xaraan --
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This is a brand new weapon that has never been in the game before so in fact, we have always had to grind to get new gear added to the game so Rich's choice makes absolute sense.As far as I have read, the only reason given to us is they say these weapons are new. I'm skeptical because typically when gear is changed our gear reflects the changes. I suppose that since our previously classified vet arena weapons still exist in the game something had to be called new. The problem for us who have the weapons is that we had vet weapons but now we have normal weapons. While my weapons do not have the bonus, the fact that I ran vet content for them did not change. In my opinion the weapons should have been upgraded.
Here is the announcement thread which is currently 37 pages long with the focus being mainly on customer dissatisfaction. The thread is still open for comments as of this writing.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/521860/
No, what you are saying is wrong -- it does not make "absolute sense" because what you say is easily disproved based on precedent of previous "brand new" sets.
ZOS has introduced new names for sets, new bonuses for sets, and changed sets in ways that had previously never existed before, but (since 2016) they have always done this WITHOUT players needing to re-do the exact same content to receive the updated versions. Not updating existing VMA/VDSA weapons is unprecedented -- it does not make sense with how they have handled sets in the last 3-4 years.6 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »
This is a brand new weapon that has never been in the game before so in fact, we have always had to grind to get new gear added to the game so Rich's choice makes absolute sense.As far as I have read, the only reason given to us is they say these weapons are new. I'm skeptical because typically when gear is changed our gear reflects the changes. I suppose that since our previously classified vet arena weapons still exist in the game something had to be called new. The problem for us who have the weapons is that we had vet weapons but now we have normal weapons. While my weapons do not have the bonus, the fact that I ran vet content for them did not change. In my opinion the weapons should have been upgraded.
Here is the announcement thread which is currently 37 pages long with the focus being mainly on customer dissatisfaction. The thread is still open for comments as of this writing.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/521860/
No, what you are saying is wrong -- it does not make "absolute sense" because what you say is easily disproved based on precedent of previous "brand new" sets.
ZOS has introduced new names for sets, new bonuses for sets, and changed sets in ways that had previously never existed before, but (since 2016) they have always done this WITHOUT players needing to re-do the exact same content to receive the updated versions. Not updating existing VMA/VDSA weapons is unprecedented -- it does not make sense with how they have handled sets in the last 3-4 years.
Not at all, The new weapon is not changing sets. It is a new weapon added to the game and nothing I said has been disproven here.0 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »
This is a brand new weapon that has never been in the game before so in fact, we have always had to grind to get new gear added to the game so Rich's choice makes absolute sense.As far as I have read, the only reason given to us is they say these weapons are new. I'm skeptical because typically when gear is changed our gear reflects the changes. I suppose that since our previously classified vet arena weapons still exist in the game something had to be called new. The problem for us who have the weapons is that we had vet weapons but now we have normal weapons. While my weapons do not have the bonus, the fact that I ran vet content for them did not change. In my opinion the weapons should have been upgraded.
Here is the announcement thread which is currently 37 pages long with the focus being mainly on customer dissatisfaction. The thread is still open for comments as of this writing.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/521860/
No, what you are saying is wrong -- it does not make "absolute sense" because what you say is easily disproved based on precedent of previous "brand new" sets.
ZOS has introduced new names for sets, new bonuses for sets, and changed sets in ways that had previously never existed before, but (since 2016) they have always done this WITHOUT players needing to re-do the exact same content to receive the updated versions. Not updating existing VMA/VDSA weapons is unprecedented -- it does not make sense with how they have handled sets in the last 3-4 years.
Not at all, The new weapon is not changing sets. It is a new weapon added to the game and nothing I said has been disproven here.
"The new weapon is not changing sets." Excellent, I am glad you agree because then based on the precedent of how ZOS has handled previous sets, then existing VMA/VDSA weapons should be updated. Thanks for the help.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RIch stated they are new weapons and as such we will have to grind to get them as we would with any other new gear item added to the game.
And that was a good decision, IMO.But its not new content. Not making them perfected and giving the same exact weapon so many had to put countless hours into to get into normal mode is insulting.
Not any more "insulting than when people pay nearly $20 to see a movie and stand in line for hours for the first showing at the theatre, but then months later it's at the bargain theatres for $2, then eventually-- after coming out on streaming services, UHD Blu-ray, and cable movie channels-- it's shown on broadcast TV and can be watched for free.
Or do you go to the theatre and demand your ticket money back several months after the fact because you paid $20 to see a movie that everyone else is now able to see for free?I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
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I fail to see how this question has anything to do with this new weapon.
As I already explained, it is the essence between linear gear progression vs horizontal gear progression, since v16, ESO had only horizontal gear progression, that's what made it special compared to other MMOs, while the introduction of perfected arena weapons is linear progression. Same as highering gear cap.
The question is where do they stop pushing linear gear progression. Perfected Monster sets? Higher gear cap when they rework CP? Higher gear cap every update?
I mean, the justification for it is the same one. It is the new 2021 car model. You don't deserve it for free just because u had the 2020 model. It is the same thing they did with vMA weapons. Just on a bigger scale.
And now there are two options.
1. They don't want to introduce linear gear progression into the game, but they are fine with doing it once if it harms only veterans. (Out of ignorance or spite, it doesn't really matter).
2. They want to slowly introduce more linear gear progression.
What scares me is 2. And I am for the last month trying really hard to make sure the community understand that this is the problem, and raise their voices against it.Edited by zvavi on June 14, 2020 10:06PM2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »
This is a brand new weapon that has never been in the game before so in fact, we have always had to grind to get new gear added to the game so Rich's choice makes absolute sense.As far as I have read, the only reason given to us is they say these weapons are new. I'm skeptical because typically when gear is changed our gear reflects the changes. I suppose that since our previously classified vet arena weapons still exist in the game something had to be called new. The problem for us who have the weapons is that we had vet weapons but now we have normal weapons. While my weapons do not have the bonus, the fact that I ran vet content for them did not change. In my opinion the weapons should have been upgraded.
Here is the announcement thread which is currently 37 pages long with the focus being mainly on customer dissatisfaction. The thread is still open for comments as of this writing.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/521860/
No, what you are saying is wrong -- it does not make "absolute sense" because what you say is easily disproved based on precedent of previous "brand new" sets.
ZOS has introduced new names for sets, new bonuses for sets, and changed sets in ways that had previously never existed before, but (since 2016) they have always done this WITHOUT players needing to re-do the exact same content to receive the updated versions. Not updating existing VMA/VDSA weapons is unprecedented -- it does not make sense with how they have handled sets in the last 3-4 years.
Not at all, The new weapon is not changing sets. It is a new weapon added to the game and nothing I said has been disproven here.
"The new weapon is not changing sets." Excellent, I am glad you agree because then based on the precedent of how ZOS has handled previous sets, then existing VMA/VDSA weapons should be updated. Thanks for the help.
Again, no. This should be very clear due to the very fact that the previous Maelstrom weapon is still in the game as the same weapon therefore the "perfected' maelstrom is a completely new weapon making how Zos handle adjusting existing sets in the game irrelevant and moot to the discussion. Just stating solid facts.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
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I fail to see how this question has anything to do with this new weapon.
As I already explained, it is the essence between linear gear progression vs vertical gear progression, since v16, ESO had only vertical gear progression, that's what made it special compared to other MMOs, while the introduction of perfected arena weapons is linear progression. Same as highering gear cap.
The question is where do they stop pushing linear gear progression. Perfected Monster sets? Higher gear cap when they rework CP? Higher gear cap every update?
I mean, the justification for it is the same one. It is the new 2021 car model. You don't deserve it for free just because u had the 2020 model. It is the same thing they did with vMA weapons. Just on a bigger scale.
And now there are two options.
1. They don't want to introduce linear gear progression into the game, but they are fine with doing it once if it harms only veterans. (Out of ignorance or spite, it doesn't really matter).
2. They want to slowly introduce more linear gear progression.
What scares me is 2. And I am for the last month trying really hard to make sure the community understand that this is the problem, and raise their voices against it.
The progression in the game since the last time Zos increased the level cap (now the gear cap) and since Zos froze the CP cap has not changed. There is absolutely nothing in this last update that suggests a change. We can speculate all we want about what might happen but the vMA weapon offers no basis for that.
Heck, many players have been asking for perfected versions of Master and Maelstrom weapon and now that have them we are seeking all manners to complain that we have them.0 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »
This is a brand new weapon that has never been in the game before so in fact, we have always had to grind to get new gear added to the game so Rich's choice makes absolute sense.As far as I have read, the only reason given to us is they say these weapons are new. I'm skeptical because typically when gear is changed our gear reflects the changes. I suppose that since our previously classified vet arena weapons still exist in the game something had to be called new. The problem for us who have the weapons is that we had vet weapons but now we have normal weapons. While my weapons do not have the bonus, the fact that I ran vet content for them did not change. In my opinion the weapons should have been upgraded.
Here is the announcement thread which is currently 37 pages long with the focus being mainly on customer dissatisfaction. The thread is still open for comments as of this writing.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/521860/
No, what you are saying is wrong -- it does not make "absolute sense" because what you say is easily disproved based on precedent of previous "brand new" sets.
ZOS has introduced new names for sets, new bonuses for sets, and changed sets in ways that had previously never existed before, but (since 2016) they have always done this WITHOUT players needing to re-do the exact same content to receive the updated versions. Not updating existing VMA/VDSA weapons is unprecedented -- it does not make sense with how they have handled sets in the last 3-4 years.
Not at all, The new weapon is not changing sets. It is a new weapon added to the game and nothing I said has been disproven here.
"The new weapon is not changing sets." Excellent, I am glad you agree because then based on the precedent of how ZOS has handled previous sets, then existing VMA/VDSA weapons should be updated. Thanks for the help.
Again, no. This should be very clear due to the very fact that the previous Maelstrom weapon is still in the game as the same weapon therefore the "perfected' maelstrom is a completely new weapon making how Zos handle adjusting existing sets in the game irrelevant and moot to the discussion. Just stating solid facts.
Hmm, so let's use your own logic then... ZOS introduces a "new" weapon that is only acquired via VMA. And the "previous" version of the weapon is only available in normal mode... so... the players who have completed VMA on June 10th are going to own the "previous" version that is only available in normal mode, while the players who have completed VMA on June 11th are going to get the "new" weapon because the creative director says so...
Just stating solid facts.2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »
This is a brand new weapon that has never been in the game before so in fact, we have always had to grind to get new gear added to the game so Rich's choice makes absolute sense.As far as I have read, the only reason given to us is they say these weapons are new. I'm skeptical because typically when gear is changed our gear reflects the changes. I suppose that since our previously classified vet arena weapons still exist in the game something had to be called new. The problem for us who have the weapons is that we had vet weapons but now we have normal weapons. While my weapons do not have the bonus, the fact that I ran vet content for them did not change. In my opinion the weapons should have been upgraded.
Here is the announcement thread which is currently 37 pages long with the focus being mainly on customer dissatisfaction. The thread is still open for comments as of this writing.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/521860/
No, what you are saying is wrong -- it does not make "absolute sense" because what you say is easily disproved based on precedent of previous "brand new" sets.
ZOS has introduced new names for sets, new bonuses for sets, and changed sets in ways that had previously never existed before, but (since 2016) they have always done this WITHOUT players needing to re-do the exact same content to receive the updated versions. Not updating existing VMA/VDSA weapons is unprecedented -- it does not make sense with how they have handled sets in the last 3-4 years.
Not at all, The new weapon is not changing sets. It is a new weapon added to the game and nothing I said has been disproven here.
"The new weapon is not changing sets." Excellent, I am glad you agree because then based on the precedent of how ZOS has handled previous sets, then existing VMA/VDSA weapons should be updated. Thanks for the help.
Again, no. This should be very clear due to the very fact that the previous Maelstrom weapon is still in the game as the same weapon therefore the "perfected' maelstrom is a completely new weapon making how Zos handle adjusting existing sets in the game irrelevant and moot to the discussion. Just stating solid facts.
Hmm, so let's use your own logic then... ZOS introduces a "new" weapon that is only acquired via VMA. And the "previous" version of the weapon is only available in normal mode... so... the players who have completed VMA on June 10th are going to own the "previous" version that is only available in normal mode, while the players who have completed VMA on June 11th are going to get the "new" weapon because the creative director says so...
Just stating solid facts.
What is relevant is that it is a new weapon and you seem to be agreeing on that point here. That is what makes the argument about how Zos handled changes to older sets irrelevant and moot.0 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »
This is a brand new weapon that has never been in the game before so in fact, we have always had to grind to get new gear added to the game so Rich's choice makes absolute sense.As far as I have read, the only reason given to us is they say these weapons are new. I'm skeptical because typically when gear is changed our gear reflects the changes. I suppose that since our previously classified vet arena weapons still exist in the game something had to be called new. The problem for us who have the weapons is that we had vet weapons but now we have normal weapons. While my weapons do not have the bonus, the fact that I ran vet content for them did not change. In my opinion the weapons should have been upgraded.
Here is the announcement thread which is currently 37 pages long with the focus being mainly on customer dissatisfaction. The thread is still open for comments as of this writing.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/521860/
No, what you are saying is wrong -- it does not make "absolute sense" because what you say is easily disproved based on precedent of previous "brand new" sets.
ZOS has introduced new names for sets, new bonuses for sets, and changed sets in ways that had previously never existed before, but (since 2016) they have always done this WITHOUT players needing to re-do the exact same content to receive the updated versions. Not updating existing VMA/VDSA weapons is unprecedented -- it does not make sense with how they have handled sets in the last 3-4 years.
Not at all, The new weapon is not changing sets. It is a new weapon added to the game and nothing I said has been disproven here.
"The new weapon is not changing sets." Excellent, I am glad you agree because then based on the precedent of how ZOS has handled previous sets, then existing VMA/VDSA weapons should be updated. Thanks for the help.
Again, no. This should be very clear due to the very fact that the previous Maelstrom weapon is still in the game as the same weapon therefore the "perfected' maelstrom is a completely new weapon making how Zos handle adjusting existing sets in the game irrelevant and moot to the discussion. Just stating solid facts.
Hmm, so let's use your own logic then... ZOS introduces a "new" weapon that is only acquired via VMA. And the "previous" version of the weapon is only available in normal mode... so... the players who have completed VMA on June 10th are going to own the "previous" version that is only available in normal mode, while the players who have completed VMA on June 11th are going to get the "new" weapon because the creative director says so...
Just stating solid facts.
What is relevant is that it is a new weapon and you seem to be agreeing on that point here. That is what makes the argument about how Zos handled changes to older sets irrelevant and moot.
No, it is clear that I am not agreeing with you. Just showing you how your attempted logic works against you (hence the "let's use your own logic then" statement).
The changes to older sets are not irrelevant and moot. Do you think we should all have to re-farm Amber Plasm if we want the "new" bonus of health recovery?3 -
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I fail to see how this question has anything to do with this new weapon.
As I already explained, it is the essence between linear gear progression vs vertical gear progression, since v16, ESO had only vertical gear progression, that's what made it special compared to other MMOs, while the introduction of perfected arena weapons is linear progression. Same as highering gear cap.
The question is where do they stop pushing linear gear progression. Perfected Monster sets? Higher gear cap when they rework CP? Higher gear cap every update?
I mean, the justification for it is the same one. It is the new 2021 car model. You don't deserve it for free just because u had the 2020 model. It is the same thing they did with vMA weapons. Just on a bigger scale.
And now there are two options.
1. They don't want to introduce linear gear progression into the game, but they are fine with doing it once if it harms only veterans. (Out of ignorance or spite, it doesn't really matter).
2. They want to slowly introduce more linear gear progression.
What scares me is 2. And I am for the last month trying really hard to make sure the community understand that this is the problem, and raise their voices against it.
The progression in the game since the last time Zos increased the level cap (now the gear cap) and since Zos froze the CP cap has not changed. There is absolutely nothing in this last update that suggests a change. We can speculate all we want about what might happen but the vMA weapon offers no basis for that.
Heck, many players have been asking for perfected versions of Master and Maelstrom weapon and now that have them we are seeking all manners to complain that we have them.
Introduction of new gear that is tiny bit better than the previous one by a stat and is obtainable by the same content is the same gear progression as introducing new content that has entirely new gear? If you don't see the connection let's just agree to disagree then
PS: true, they were asking for perfected versions with an addition of HM of some sort. Not regrinding exactly the same content for drops they already get.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »
This is a brand new weapon that has never been in the game before so in fact, we have always had to grind to get new gear added to the game so Rich's choice makes absolute sense.As far as I have read, the only reason given to us is they say these weapons are new. I'm skeptical because typically when gear is changed our gear reflects the changes. I suppose that since our previously classified vet arena weapons still exist in the game something had to be called new. The problem for us who have the weapons is that we had vet weapons but now we have normal weapons. While my weapons do not have the bonus, the fact that I ran vet content for them did not change. In my opinion the weapons should have been upgraded.
Here is the announcement thread which is currently 37 pages long with the focus being mainly on customer dissatisfaction. The thread is still open for comments as of this writing.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/521860/
No, what you are saying is wrong -- it does not make "absolute sense" because what you say is easily disproved based on precedent of previous "brand new" sets.
ZOS has introduced new names for sets, new bonuses for sets, and changed sets in ways that had previously never existed before, but (since 2016) they have always done this WITHOUT players needing to re-do the exact same content to receive the updated versions. Not updating existing VMA/VDSA weapons is unprecedented -- it does not make sense with how they have handled sets in the last 3-4 years.
Not at all, The new weapon is not changing sets. It is a new weapon added to the game and nothing I said has been disproven here.
"The new weapon is not changing sets." Excellent, I am glad you agree because then based on the precedent of how ZOS has handled previous sets, then existing VMA/VDSA weapons should be updated. Thanks for the help.
Again, no. This should be very clear due to the very fact that the previous Maelstrom weapon is still in the game as the same weapon therefore the "perfected' maelstrom is a completely new weapon making how Zos handle adjusting existing sets in the game irrelevant and moot to the discussion. Just stating solid facts.
That's not a hard fact at all. That's just how they chose to handle it so it's a version of the truth you choose to accept and defend. There was nothing stopping them from adding the stat bonus to existing weapons and updating the names, releasing the "new" items as imperfect for normal arena's is all they had to do. Rich chose this route because he believes these were new, most of the playerbase aware of the argument, disagrees. The items are the same crap with a different coat of paint.
The final result is negative for most of the people involved. 85% on that poll and 37+ pages on the 1 thread where it was announced and countless other larger threads have explained that clearer than I ever could.
Defend them all you want, you can act like it's clear, cut and dry, but it was the wrong call in the end. There is justifcation on either side of the argument, even if I think them being "new" is a stretch, but their decision has negatively impacted the perception of their company that players will never forget.
This isn't a debate about combat balance or cast times on ultimates, it's a debate about the company doing the right thing for the people that already grinded their butts off over 5 years to just say, do it again.. if you want.
Would anyone from any side of this argument complain if they had their gear upgraded, while normal versions of the gear became available? Probably not. If you did, you'd be shown as a snobby dps elitest because you can't handle the fact that players could slightly weaker versions of these arena weapons on normal. That viewpoint is obviously completely ridiculous and we know the playerbase doesn't feel this way because we've had perfected gear with a stat bonus since Summerset's Trial.Edited by MashmalloMan on June 14, 2020 10:05PMPC Beta - 2200+ CP
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DovahkiinHeart✭✭✭Because over spell-pen and backbar crit are definitely worth the rng grind.
Yeah, no.
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✭Idk if anyone said this yet but it is because the new content is so shallow they needed to put hour fluff somewhere.Edited by Onefrkncrzypope on June 14, 2020 10:46PM-Immortal Redeemer-
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✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »
This is a brand new weapon that has never been in the game before so in fact, we have always had to grind to get new gear added to the game so Rich's choice makes absolute sense.As far as I have read, the only reason given to us is they say these weapons are new. I'm skeptical because typically when gear is changed our gear reflects the changes. I suppose that since our previously classified vet arena weapons still exist in the game something had to be called new. The problem for us who have the weapons is that we had vet weapons but now we have normal weapons. While my weapons do not have the bonus, the fact that I ran vet content for them did not change. In my opinion the weapons should have been upgraded.
Here is the announcement thread which is currently 37 pages long with the focus being mainly on customer dissatisfaction. The thread is still open for comments as of this writing.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/521860/
No, what you are saying is wrong -- it does not make "absolute sense" because what you say is easily disproved based on precedent of previous "brand new" sets.
ZOS has introduced new names for sets, new bonuses for sets, and changed sets in ways that had previously never existed before, but (since 2016) they have always done this WITHOUT players needing to re-do the exact same content to receive the updated versions. Not updating existing VMA/VDSA weapons is unprecedented -- it does not make sense with how they have handled sets in the last 3-4 years.
Not at all, The new weapon is not changing sets. It is a new weapon added to the game and nothing I said has been disproven here.
"The new weapon is not changing sets." Excellent, I am glad you agree because then based on the precedent of how ZOS has handled previous sets, then existing VMA/VDSA weapons should be updated. Thanks for the help.
Again, no. This should be very clear due to the very fact that the previous Maelstrom weapon is still in the game as the same weapon therefore the "perfected' maelstrom is a completely new weapon making how Zos handle adjusting existing sets in the game irrelevant and moot to the discussion. Just stating solid facts.
Slapping a new bonus line on it and renaming it doesn't make something a new weapon (as can be seen patch after patch after patch, including U26 with the perfected asylum destro which had an added bonus line that didn't previously exist). The vMA weapon was the reward for beating vet. There's still a weapon being rewarded for beating vet. There was never a weapon for beating normal and now there is so that's the NEW weapon.
ZoS chose not to go that route but that doesn't make their made up rules any more acceptable nor avoid any apprehension players might feel about gear updates in future patches now that this precedent has been set.PC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
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vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vDSA | vMoL HM | vHoF HM | vAS+2 | vCR+2 | vBRP | vSS HM | vKA | vRGIT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME NOW, THANKS ZOS3 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Slapping a new bonus line on it and renaming it doesn't make something a new weapon (as can be seen patch after patch after patch, including U26 with the perfected asylum destro which had an added bonus line that didn't previously exist).
This time, it did, as can be seen by the fact that the old weapon is still around.The vMA weapon was the reward for beating vet.
Yes, and people got that weapon for beating Vet. That was the reward for doing the content, and they get to keep it.
Look, you might not like it, but there were multiple decisions that could have been taken here, and ZOS chose one of them. That is actually the end of the story. This battle is over. You can continue to talk about it, but I think you are wasting your time.
In the end, you are either going to continue playing, or take your marbles to some other game. That is your choice.
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heaven13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Slapping a new bonus line on it and renaming it doesn't make something a new weapon (as can be seen patch after patch after patch, including U26 with the perfected asylum destro which had an added bonus line that didn't previously exist).
This time, it did, as can be seen by the fact that the old weapon is still around.The vMA weapon was the reward for beating vet.
Yes, and people got that weapon for beating Vet. That was the reward for doing the content, and they get to keep it.
Look, you might not like it, but there were multiple decisions that could have been taken here, and ZOS chose one of them. That is actually the end of the story. This battle is over. You can continue to talk about it, but I think you are wasting your time.
In the end, you are either going to continue playing, or take your marbles to some other game. That is your choice.
Yes, THIS time. Which is a new direction for the team to take and one that most players don't like. We can absolutely keep voicing our opinion on the matter. This decision might be a done deal, as you say, but that doesn't mean we can't make it well known that we don't want them to continue down this route of decision making.
"Suck it up or leave" aren't the only two options. If you want to implement change, you speak up.PC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
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vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vDSA | vMoL HM | vHoF HM | vAS+2 | vCR+2 | vBRP | vSS HM | vKA | vRGIT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME NOW, THANKS ZOS2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »
This is a brand new weapon that has never been in the game before so in fact, we have always had to grind to get new gear added to the game so Rich's choice makes absolute sense.As far as I have read, the only reason given to us is they say these weapons are new. I'm skeptical because typically when gear is changed our gear reflects the changes. I suppose that since our previously classified vet arena weapons still exist in the game something had to be called new. The problem for us who have the weapons is that we had vet weapons but now we have normal weapons. While my weapons do not have the bonus, the fact that I ran vet content for them did not change. In my opinion the weapons should have been upgraded.
Here is the announcement thread which is currently 37 pages long with the focus being mainly on customer dissatisfaction. The thread is still open for comments as of this writing.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/521860/
No, what you are saying is wrong -- it does not make "absolute sense" because what you say is easily disproved based on precedent of previous "brand new" sets.
ZOS has introduced new names for sets, new bonuses for sets, and changed sets in ways that had previously never existed before, but (since 2016) they have always done this WITHOUT players needing to re-do the exact same content to receive the updated versions. Not updating existing VMA/VDSA weapons is unprecedented -- it does not make sense with how they have handled sets in the last 3-4 years.
Not at all, The new weapon is not changing sets. It is a new weapon added to the game and nothing I said has been disproven here.
"The new weapon is not changing sets." Excellent, I am glad you agree because then based on the precedent of how ZOS has handled previous sets, then existing VMA/VDSA weapons should be updated. Thanks for the help.
Again, no. This should be very clear due to the very fact that the previous Maelstrom weapon is still in the game as the same weapon therefore the "perfected' maelstrom is a completely new weapon making how Zos handle adjusting existing sets in the game irrelevant and moot to the discussion. Just stating solid facts.
Hmm, so let's use your own logic then... ZOS introduces a "new" weapon that is only acquired via VMA. And the "previous" version of the weapon is only available in normal mode... so... the players who have completed VMA on June 10th are going to own the "previous" version that is only available in normal mode, while the players who have completed VMA on June 11th are going to get the "new" weapon because the creative director says so...
Just stating solid facts.
What is relevant is that it is a new weapon and you seem to be agreeing on that point here. That is what makes the argument about how Zos handled changes to older sets irrelevant and moot.
No, it is clear that I am not agreeing with you. Just showing you how your attempted logic works against you (hence the "let's use your own logic then" statement).
The changes to older sets are not irrelevant and moot. Do you think we should all have to re-farm Amber Plasm if we want the "new" bonus of health recovery?
Nothing you said worked against what I have said. If Zos has merely adjusted a set bonus then there would still be only one MA weapon per weapon type and the fact is there are two per weapon type which means the perfected weapons are in fact newly added weapons.
At that, anyone who really wants the new weapon can go farm it. If they find it is more trouble than it is worth then so be it as it is not required for clearing any content in this game. Either way, I really do not care as it is a personal decision each of us must make. Myself, I am glad Zos added the perfected weapons and am farming them even though most of them will do little to actually increase my DPS.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, THIS time. Which is a new direction for the team to take and one that most players don't like. We can absolutely keep voicing our opinion on the matter. This decision might be a done deal, as you say, but that doesn't mean we can't make it well known that we don't want them to continue down this route of decision making.
"Suck it up or leave" aren't the only two options. If you want to implement change, you speak up.
People made it well known, from before PTS even started, that they did not like this. ZOS heard, for all the good that did.
ZOS is going to make decisions you do not like. Tell them what you think. I do that, myself, but it is not my decision. In the end, the only decision that you have is "stay or leave". If you stay, you have to make peace with their decision. Call it "suck it up", if you want.
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