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Bots are out of hand
darnapb16_ESO
Soul Shriven
I think that when you enter any public dungeon and find 20 bots all stacked on top of the boss spawn point all instantly attacking it even before you can see it has appeared it's time to do something. They also teleport away and back, so there's definitely cheating involved, even ignoring the fact that they are preventing normal players to have a chance at completing the dungeon and having a chance at the loot.
Reporting them one by one is also a pain since you have a file a report for each one. Just have a GM pop in any dungeon and watch for 1 minute, you'll get scores of them.
Reporting them one by one is also a pain since you have a file a report for each one. Just have a GM pop in any dungeon and watch for 1 minute, you'll get scores of them.
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Dolenz✭✭✭I agree something needs to be done but I have a feeling it is just not as easy as popping into a dungeon. There are going to be many instances of a single dungeon and of course there are many public dungeons in each zone. Multiply all those dungeons by 3 to cover the 3 factions and then multiple that by 2 to cover both EU and NA servers. That's probably going to be many hundreds of instances that need to be popped into.
I ran a bunch of Auridon dungeons today that I missed killing the boss in and really only ran into 2 that had a large group of bots.0 -
ebunts14_ESO✭✭✭The only real solution to bots is to require some type of physical action that can't be programmed. Meaning you must be at your keyboard and control your character.0 -
Rapscallion74✭✭✭I was messing around with the bots tonight trying to get them killed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEVOJr1J7ZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTa0AQI7b4s
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Dolenz✭✭✭I have no doubt that they will get the problem under control. The problem is that the majority of people wanted it done yesterday.
I keep reading posts stating how easy it would be but I really do doubt that it is easy.0 -
Noth✭✭✭✭I have no doubt that they will get the problem under control. The problem is that the majority of people wanted it done yesterday.
I keep reading posts stating how easy it would be but I really do doubt that it is easy.
It isn't that easy. Even blizzard with all their experience, and manpower still have issues with bots.1 -
imjanko✭✭This is the one thing that SWTOR, with all of it's instancing, (too much really), has gotten rid of. There's none. At least none noticeable. I have never seen it the way I've seen it in this game. Admittedly, I haven't played WoW, but AoC, Champions Online, TSW, Star Trek Online, SWG, and a couple of others, and I've never seen anything like it here.0 -
Anoteros✭✭✭✭
All the games you mentioned are garbage.This is the one thing that SWTOR, with all of it's instancing, (too much really), has gotten rid of. There's none. At least none noticeable. I have never seen it the way I've seen it in this game. Admittedly, I haven't played WoW, but AoC, Champions Online, TSW, Star Trek Online, SWG, and a couple of others, and I've never seen anything like it here.
Seriously doubt it. Carbine are on the ball with fixes, bug squashing and constant improvements.
I don't think they're as vain as ZOS and chose to ignore everything that makes other mmorpg's work and do things their own flawed way.
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Noth✭✭✭✭
All the games you mentioned are garbage.This is the one thing that SWTOR, with all of it's instancing, (too much really), has gotten rid of. There's none. At least none noticeable. I have never seen it the way I've seen it in this game. Admittedly, I haven't played WoW, but AoC, Champions Online, TSW, Star Trek Online, SWG, and a couple of others, and I've never seen anything like it here.
Seriously doubt it. Carbine are on the ball with fixes, bug squashing and constant improvements.
I don't think they're as vain as ZOS and chose to ignore everything that makes other mmorpg's work and do things their own flawed way.
Carbine is that way at the moment. ZOS was that way in closed beta. It is not uncommon for bugs from betas to exists even months after the game is released.
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Anoteros✭✭✭✭
How many 'patches' and 'maintenances' have we had since ESO launched?
All the games you mentioned are garbage.This is the one thing that SWTOR, with all of it's instancing, (too much really), has gotten rid of. There's none. At least none noticeable. I have never seen it the way I've seen it in this game. Admittedly, I haven't played WoW, but AoC, Champions Online, TSW, Star Trek Online, SWG, and a couple of others, and I've never seen anything like it here.
Seriously doubt it. Carbine are on the ball with fixes, bug squashing and constant improvements.
I don't think they're as vain as ZOS and chose to ignore everything that makes other mmorpg's work and do things their own flawed way.
Carbine is that way at the moment. ZOS was that way in closed beta. It is not uncommon for bugs from betas to exists even months after the game is released.
How much testing was done prior to launch and how much of those reported bugs and feedback were applied to the live game?
Bots and farming started a few days after early access, the spam soon after that yet no fix.
It's not like botting and gold spam is new to the industry so what's the deal here?
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steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭I have no doubt that they will get the problem under control. The problem is that the majority of people wanted it done yesterday.
I keep reading posts stating how easy it would be but I really do doubt that it is easy.
It was very easy. Don't design open world dungeon bosses who constantly respawn and constantly drop loot in the first place. Botters could not have designed it better themselves.
Stable door solution - auto-port toon jfrom boss location 2 minutes after kill and seal dungeon for 24 hours to that character.
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Noth✭✭✭✭steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »I have no doubt that they will get the problem under control. The problem is that the majority of people wanted it done yesterday.
I keep reading posts stating how easy it would be but I really do doubt that it is easy.
It was very easy. Don't design open world dungeon bosses who constantly respawn and constantly drop loot in the first place. Botters could not have designed it better themselves.
Stable door solution - auto-port toon jfrom boss location 2 minutes after kill and seal dungeon for 24 hours to that character.
No game has ever fixed bots and spam. All they have done is minimized them. Something that took time. Plus it is not one simple way to minimize them as botters and spammers tend to create new things and new ways of doing these things.
Your solution, for example, just pushes them out into the world, it does not get rid of them at all.
How many 'patches' and 'maintenances' have we had since ESO launched?
All the games you mentioned are garbage.This is the one thing that SWTOR, with all of it's instancing, (too much really), has gotten rid of. There's none. At least none noticeable. I have never seen it the way I've seen it in this game. Admittedly, I haven't played WoW, but AoC, Champions Online, TSW, Star Trek Online, SWG, and a couple of others, and I've never seen anything like it here.
Seriously doubt it. Carbine are on the ball with fixes, bug squashing and constant improvements.
I don't think they're as vain as ZOS and chose to ignore everything that makes other mmorpg's work and do things their own flawed way.
Carbine is that way at the moment. ZOS was that way in closed beta. It is not uncommon for bugs from betas to exists even months after the game is released.
How much testing was done prior to launch and how much of those reported bugs and feedback were applied to the live game?
Bots and farming started a few days after early access, the spam soon after that yet no fix.
It's not like botting and gold spam is new to the industry so what's the deal here?
You do realize all MMOs have a lot of patches right after launch right? You do realize no MMO catches all the bugs in closed beta. In fact many of the progression stopping bugs were not present on the PTS in beta.
There is no fix for bots and spam, only ways to reduce them, and those way take time to implement.1 -
Rainbow✭ebuntsb14_ESO wrote: »The only real solution to bots is to require some type of physical action that can't be programmed. Meaning you must be at your keyboard and control your character.
I doubt that would stop bots, did you know on some games such as Runescape some bots have been programmed to speak when they are close by to people who say certain things example:
Player: Hello
Bot: Hello
Player: How are you?
Bot: Fine
Player: What's your range level?
Bot: My ranged level is: 72.
So if you think them putting physical actions in will stop them... trust me lol they ALWAYS find a way around it. Jagex the owners of Runescape even hired one of the people who used to make bots to help fix the problem lol.
What ESO should do and literally every other game that is exploited by gold selling sites is all get together and take them websites who sell gold and ruin their games to court! They must be breaking some sort of laws...0 -
Anoteros✭✭✭✭ebuntsb14_ESO wrote: »The only real solution to bots is to require some type of physical action that can't be programmed. Meaning you must be at your keyboard and control your character.
I doubt that would stop bots, did you know on some games such as Runescape some bots have been programmed to speak when they are close by to people who say certain things example:
Player: Hello
Bot: Hello
Player: How are you?
Bot: Fine
Player: What's your range level?
Bot: My ranged level is: 72.
So if you think them putting physical actions in will stop them... trust me lol they ALWAYS find a way around it. Jagex the owners of Runescape even hired one of the people who used to make bots to help fix the problem lol.
What ESO should do and literally every other game that is exploited by gold selling sites is all get together and take them websites who sell gold and ruin their games to court! They must be breaking some sort of laws...
Waste of time and money when all they need to do is Make reporting easier and auto ban/suspend anyone who gets X number of reports for spam on their name.
Secondly instance the public dungeons and optionally have them scale to solo or group play AND limite how many can be completed in an hour.
YES I am a broken record.0 -
pecheckler✭✭✭✭✭How hard could it be to hire some people minimum wage to be game masters, IN GAME. Monitor chat channels, LIVE. Teleport to bot hot-spots, LIVE. Wielding a *** ban hammer. Just having a few on duty round the clock would reduce the visibility of bots and spam significantly.End the tedious inventory management game.0
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Maotti✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just progressed to Coldharbour a few hours ago. And we encountered several level 3 bots in The Hollowed city. How do they even get there in the first place?
Fortunately no bots in the public dungeon we were.PC EU0 -
pronkg✭✭✭✭I wouldn't give minimum wage people the power to ban people lol. You are still talking about real money and real rights. I think it might be more difficult then it may seem. With every solution to a problem there will be another problem. And the botters will find another way if they take away this one.
Zenimax already announced they are addressing the issue. This will take some time. It's about thousands of accounts and growing probably.
While you might not see them actively banning them. They said they already stopped thousands of gold spammer and botters.
If they make the dungeons so that you can only enter once per hour or 2 the botters will find another way to farm. This happens in every mmo and will always be an endless battle. Saying zenimax isn't doing anything about this is ignorant.
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Anoteros✭✭✭✭I wouldn't give minimum wage people the power to ban people lol. You are still talking about real money and real rights. I think it might be more difficult then it may seem. With every solution to a problem there will be another problem. And the botters will find another way if they take away this one.
Zenimax already announced they are addressing the issue. This will take some time. It's about thousands of accounts and growing probably.
While you might not see them actively banning them. They said they already stopped thousands of gold spammer and botters.
If they make the dungeons so that you can only enter once per hour or 2 the botters will find another way to farm. This happens in every mmo and will always be an endless battle. Saying zenimax isn't doing anything about this is ignorant.
Ignoring the fact they had plenty of time to prevent this is ignorant.
ZOS are just too damned proud to admit they overlooked simple design choices and instead opted to try something 'different' which does not work in anyones favour.
Instancing, been in MMORPGS since forever, why attempt to change it now?Edited by Anoteros on April 20, 2014 8:04AM0 -
Noth✭✭✭✭I wouldn't give minimum wage people the power to ban people lol. You are still talking about real money and real rights. I think it might be more difficult then it may seem. With every solution to a problem there will be another problem. And the botters will find another way if they take away this one.
Zenimax already announced they are addressing the issue. This will take some time. It's about thousands of accounts and growing probably.
While you might not see them actively banning them. They said they already stopped thousands of gold spammer and botters.
If they make the dungeons so that you can only enter once per hour or 2 the botters will find another way to farm. This happens in every mmo and will always be an endless battle. Saying zenimax isn't doing anything about this is ignorant.
Ignoring the fact they had plenty of time to prevent this is ignorant.
Again, this is not something that is easy. Every MMO struggles with these issues. No MMO reduced the botter and spammers to the point that people don't notice them in the first month. Most are lucky to do that in a year. Older MMOs that have done that still get instances where the botter and spammer population rises due to new approaches, or simply a new expansion coming out.0 -
AkaashaSoul ShrivenIt's at the point now it's hard to even get a hit on the boss to complete the dungeon.
I've also encountered one of those "teleporting bots" who just show up on a node and disappears. Quite sad that it has already gone this far.Edited by Akaasha on April 20, 2014 8:09AM0 -
Anoteros✭✭✭✭
I don't remember it in Rift, Champions Online or GW2, just to name a few recent mmorpgs...I wouldn't give minimum wage people the power to ban people lol. You are still talking about real money and real rights. I think it might be more difficult then it may seem. With every solution to a problem there will be another problem. And the botters will find another way if they take away this one.
Zenimax already announced they are addressing the issue. This will take some time. It's about thousands of accounts and growing probably.
While you might not see them actively banning them. They said they already stopped thousands of gold spammer and botters.
If they make the dungeons so that you can only enter once per hour or 2 the botters will find another way to farm. This happens in every mmo and will always be an endless battle. Saying zenimax isn't doing anything about this is ignorant.
Ignoring the fact they had plenty of time to prevent this is ignorant.
Again, this is not something that is easy. Every MMO struggles with these issues. No MMO reduced the botter and spammers to the point that people don't notice them in the first month. Most are lucky to do that in a year. Older MMOs that have done that still get instances where the botter and spammer population rises due to new approaches, or simply a new expansion coming out.
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slave1rwb17_ESOSoul Shrivenjust an example of the absurdity we have to fight with to get a kill in a dungeon
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Noth✭✭✭✭
I don't remember it in Rift, Champions Online or GW2, just to name a few recent mmorpgs...I wouldn't give minimum wage people the power to ban people lol. You are still talking about real money and real rights. I think it might be more difficult then it may seem. With every solution to a problem there will be another problem. And the botters will find another way if they take away this one.
Zenimax already announced they are addressing the issue. This will take some time. It's about thousands of accounts and growing probably.
While you might not see them actively banning them. They said they already stopped thousands of gold spammer and botters.
If they make the dungeons so that you can only enter once per hour or 2 the botters will find another way to farm. This happens in every mmo and will always be an endless battle. Saying zenimax isn't doing anything about this is ignorant.
Ignoring the fact they had plenty of time to prevent this is ignorant.
Again, this is not something that is easy. Every MMO struggles with these issues. No MMO reduced the botter and spammers to the point that people don't notice them in the first month. Most are lucky to do that in a year. Older MMOs that have done that still get instances where the botter and spammer population rises due to new approaches, or simply a new expansion coming out.
I remember bots and spam in those games too. GW2 I would get 5-10 spm mails for gold daily a month after release. The upper area zones were full of bot trains that just ran back and forth between mobs (they even acknowledged this and after every ban it seemed like 2 more took their place). CO, I didn't play long, but when I did, there were bots and I recieved plenty of gold spam. Rift was the same way for me as well.
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Darkreign✭✭Deshan public dungeons are impossible this morning due to bots camping bosses. Forget about getting any loot from these, just go lay some aoe down and hope to get the update.
For the first time this morning, after days of competing with bots, whether it be mining or harvesting, or trying to get a kill on a Public dungeon boss, im actually considering not re-subbing at months end.
Its plain to see that Zenimax has clearly not learnt lessons from other MMO,s when it comes to exploitation and Bots, some zones, especially the lower newbie zones are completely over run by an invasion of bots, and its these very area,s that new players first encounter the game. So it gives the wrong impression immediatley and hampers their progress.
I don't know what the answer is, but they had better find it soon.
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Thete✭✭✭Your solution, for example, just pushes them out into the world, it does not get rid of them at all.
Yep. As annoying as it is to have them at the end boss of a public dungeon (which I like to farm a few times myself for soul gems), it is much better than having them run around in the world annoying me there.MMO PvE veteran looking for suitable guild:
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I never understood why big game companies don't just hire someone to walk around in the game world, looking for bots at known places and ban them on sight...0
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Rantog✭✭✭✭I have no doubt that they will get the problem under control. The problem is that the majority of people wanted it done yesterday.
I keep reading posts stating how easy it would be but I really do doubt that it is easy.
What's hard about it?
Can YOU find the bots?
If so, than what would prevent someone PAID by Zenimax from doing the same - and Banning them as they do?
They are so busy trying to find a single Perfect, Software solution, that they are leaving the problem to continue - and us to suffer with it - when they could eliminate the problem in the Immediate term by hiring about 5 people to do a Minimum Wage skill job.
That they seem uninterested in doing that, or the same thing for the gold spammers, indicates they are Less concerned with the satisfaction of their paying customers than they are proving they can code a solution to it.0 -
TOGScorchSoul ShrivenI agree it takes time to sort these things, the game has just released, bots and gold spammers are just another check box on a long list of things that they are working on sorting out for us.
I also agree that they are really annoying, I have stopped bothering with public and solo dungeons other than to get the completion, which can be done in a couple of minutes since 99% of the mobs are already dead. There is no challenge in them and they are just not fun when they are full of bots and far too many players in one place, so I bypass them as much as I can
I am sure Zenimax did not expect that any players would feel that way about these dungeons, but we need to give them time to sort it, there are a lot more players now than in beta so its still early in the learning curve for many things. I always think of the first month of game time as 'Gamma Test', thankfully its free.0