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Bots are out of hand
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steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭Your solution, for example, just pushes them out into the world, it does not get rid of them at all.
My solution pushes them out into a world where they cannot sit in one location and constantly farm infinitely spawning good loot droppers. And as an added bonus it also stops farmers camping and interfering with other's enjoyment of the content.
Any world boss or any non-trash loot dropper I'd make Loot Once in 24 hours.
And medium term I'd work out a system to detect toons that farm any area based on a kill-per-minute.
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Noth✭✭✭✭steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »Your solution, for example, just pushes them out into the world, it does not get rid of them at all.
My solution pushes them out into a world where they cannot sit in one location and constantly farm infinitely spawning good loot droppers. And as an added bonus it also stops farmers camping and interfering with other's enjoyment of the content.
Any world boss or any non-trash loot dropper I'd make Loot Once in 24 hours.
And medium term I'd work out a system to detect toons that farm any area based on a kill-per-minute.
So you'd push them out to where they are harder to find and interfere with even more players.
And then you punish players who are farming legitimately themselves.
Your suggestion fixes nothing, and in some ways makes them worse.1 -
AkaashaSoul Shriven
So you'd push them out to where they are harder to find and interfere with even more players.
And then you punish players who are farming legitimately themselves.
Your suggestion fixes nothing, and in some ways makes them worse.
Yeah I agree, it's not really a solution to the problem. I just hope we see a new ban wave after the Tuesday maintenance.
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And another dungeon I can not complete becaues of bots ;( It's ridicuolus.... I can't see if this all big waves of banning changed anything.0
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It's at the point now it's hard to even get a hit on the boss to complete the dungeon.
I've also encountered one of those "teleporting bots" who just show up on a node and disappears. Quite sad that it has already gone this far.
the thing is why it seems to have gona far, is cause theese programs already existed in other games, so the botter/goldsellers, only need to to do minor adjustments to make them work in ESO, pretty much every thing said in this post has happen or still happens in other mmo still.
WOW for example had bots underground farming nodes, bots running in to an instance killing some stuff and back out again, lvl 1 chars flying in air, dropping down in a Town in a pattern that spelled their goldselling site, though it is now way better they still exist.
battleground bots in wow are roaming free, to the point most bgs at times are unlplayable, different glider programs show up now and then, interupt hacks etc...
so this is nothign new at all and it will take times to change it, and most likely the legit players will suffer from the changes made.1 -
Noth✭✭✭✭I also don't think people realize how advanced bots can get. There are bots out there that can play a game better than many players.0
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gharms✭✭✭Have players fill out an app, give the people you hire free subs for working 8 hours during the month as an in game GM, perhaps create a tablet app to perform the duties so folks like me at work can ban hammer all night. Problem solved, and it would only cost them a few hundred free subs, which I would wager will be fewer than they might lose with Wildstar on the way if they don't curb this problem, and fast. The boss timer didn't work. It's time to stop punishing everyone and actually address the problem.Edited by gharms on April 20, 2014 9:52AM0
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Noth✭✭✭✭Have players fill out an app, give the people you hire free subs for working 8 hours during the month as an in game GM, perhaps create a tablet app to perform the duties so folks like me at work can ban hammer all night. Problem solved, and it would only cost them a few hundred free subs, which I would wager will be fewer than they might lose with Wildstar on the way if they don't curb this problem, and fast. The boss timer didn't work. It's time to stop punishing everyone and actually address the problem.
That won't work either. Banning doesn't stop them, they actually lose nothing on the ban and just easily create new ones to replace the banned one. Also the timer on the bosses hasn't been put in yet.
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windraSoul ShrivenBots are by far the worst thing so far, I dont mind a bit of lag, or gold spammers or even duped items as none of this really affects me apart from being annoying. I don't have time for group dungeons, what does affect me is bots camping spawns 24hrs a day, meaning I cant even hit the boss, even in low level dungeons. Its great to get to your first dungeon and find it impossible to complete. It took me 5mins to report them all, I don't see why a member of the ESO team cant ban them.
I asked "Is anyone here not a bot" and got no response...not hard to detect who is a bot really is it! They should be given a set time to respond (e.g the time it takes to log out afk people), then a ban IMO.
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AlliN✭✭✭Easy way to distinguish a bot - keep Kuta in your backpack, whisp a guy and ask if he wants it becasue it dropped and you don't level enchanting. He says yes/no - you say sorry, bot test. He says nothing, he's probably a bot. Not 100% sure method, but it works most of the time. If someone has dsfdsfsfd name, no problems here, it's more useful agaisnt normally named bots (yeah non-gold sellers getting into botting now too)0
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ashkanteeb17_ESOSoul ShrivenI have no doubt that they will get the problem under control. The problem is that the majority of people wanted it done yesterday.
I keep reading posts stating how easy it would be but I really do doubt that it is easy.
Get rid of the root cause for this specific type of botting.
Q: Why are they there?
A: Easy loot (and XP).
Solution:
Diminishing returns for repeated kills. (ie: no more loot after a certain number of kills)
No more reason for bots to camp dungeon bosses.
It's a given that they'll look for something else to exploit, but that gives us a bit of time and gives them some additional work.
Edited by ashkanteeb17_ESO on April 20, 2014 10:02AM0 -
AlliN✭✭✭Diminishing returns for repeated kills. (ie: no more loot after a certain number of kills)
No more reason for bots to camp dungeon bosses.
Better solution - no boss loot for following boss kills, unless you exit the dungeon.
Still bottable, but they would have to cross whole dungeon again, giving time for normal people to kill the boss, and being in danger of getting splitted, killed or messed up on the way.Edited by AlliN on April 20, 2014 10:05AM0 -
gharms✭✭✭Have players fill out an app, give the people you hire free subs for working 8 hours during the month as an in game GM, perhaps create a tablet app to perform the duties so folks like me at work can ban hammer all night. Problem solved, and it would only cost them a few hundred free subs, which I would wager will be fewer than they might lose with Wildstar on the way if they don't curb this problem, and fast. The boss timer didn't work. It's time to stop punishing everyone and actually address the problem.
That won't work either. Banning doesn't stop them, they actually lose nothing on the ban and just easily create new ones to replace the banned one. Also the timer on the bosses hasn't been put in yet.
But banning DOES stop them. Botting is to make gold to sell. All businesses, even this shady one, are made to turn a profit. Considering I have to believe that the demand for gold is low considering how useless overal it is and how easy it is to get, having to pay 50 bucks for every banned account starts to cut into their profit margins. You can say they will just hack accounts, but even that isn't something they can't count on. Having someone to ban them en masse will make thrm rethink their efforts and whether it's worth it or not to buy these accounts. EQ had player GMs to do just this, and it worked wonderfully.0 -
Zolyok✭✭✭There is ton of possible solution, and not things really for them to implement it look like that they simply don't care.
I don't know what they are busy at but it should have moved sincee a week or more for the bot problem.0 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭wsteveb16_ESO46 wrote: »Your solution, for example, just pushes them out into the world, it does not get rid of them at all.
My solution pushes them out into a world where they cannot sit in one location and constantly farm infinitely spawning good loot droppers. And as an added bonus it also stops farmers camping and interfering with other's enjoyment of the content.
Any world boss or any non-trash loot dropper I'd make Loot Once in 24 hours.
And medium term I'd work out a system to detect toons that farm any area based on a kill-per-minute.
So you'd push them out to where they are harder to find and interfere with even more players.
And then you punish players who are farming legitimately themselves.
Your suggestion fixes nothing, and in some ways makes them worse.
I don't recognise the concept of 'legitimate' farmers. They are just as bad as bots when they interfere with my ability to play content with their boss camping.
And yes, i'd push bots out of where they interfere with bosses. They obstruct progress and prevent legitimate players looting bosses. Landscape is less profitable and a kills per minute auto-ban will clear them out of there.
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Mercbird✭✭Rapscallion74 wrote: »I was messing around with the bots tonight trying to get them killed.
Bot farming, nice.0 -
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All the games you mentioned are garbage.This is the one thing that SWTOR, with all of it's instancing, (too much really), has gotten rid of. There's none. At least none noticeable. I have never seen it the way I've seen it in this game. Admittedly, I haven't played WoW, but AoC, Champions Online, TSW, Star Trek Online, SWG, and a couple of others, and I've never seen anything like it here.
Seriously doubt it. Carbine are on the ball with fixes, bug squashing and constant improvements.
I don't think they're as vain as ZOS and chose to ignore everything that makes other mmorpg's work and do things their own flawed way.
So you really think that Wildstar will be with out bugs and Gold sellers? Sorry but you're going to be disappointed, every mmo that been release all have bugs and gold sellers only games that don't have gold sellers are the rubbish ones, ( less profitable)
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bot makers are normally always a little head of programmers. Just like virus creation is always a little ahead of virus defense. Zenni will crush them soon as every MMO does with SilkRoad being the exception.0
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for the record there are ways of dealing with bots. sometimes if you have fire mage or spider daedra type enemies you can use their AoE to kill the bots, not all bots have auto respawn. there are also bots programmed to seek out the nearest enemy and kill it so you can simply used a ranged attack to aggro mobs and then many bots will leave the boss spawn to kill the mobs, I used that to far a boss today, getting 60% of the bots off the boss spawn really works. they also do have people who monitor them and change commands and respawn if needed, so requiring user input isn't a problem they basically have one person monitoring anywhere from 6-12 scripted bots and could simply put in any commands that ZOS would implement. also the 'teleporting' in dungeons is likely a bot moving in or out of that instance
screen is of a less successful run, only got to loot twice. but I got all the bots (8) killed, they respawned about 10-20 minutes later. also in red is a bot that is in the ground.You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.
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ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭
All the games you mentioned are garbage.This is the one thing that SWTOR, with all of it's instancing, (too much really), has gotten rid of. There's none. At least none noticeable. I have never seen it the way I've seen it in this game. Admittedly, I haven't played WoW, but AoC, Champions Online, TSW, Star Trek Online, SWG, and a couple of others, and I've never seen anything like it here.
Seriously doubt it. Carbine are on the ball with fixes, bug squashing and constant improvements.
I don't think they're as vain as ZOS and chose to ignore everything that makes other mmorpg's work and do things their own flawed way.
So you really think that Wildstar will be with out bugs and Gold sellers? Sorry but you're going to be disappointed, every mmo that been release all have bugs and gold sellers only games that don't have gold sellers are the rubbish ones, ( less profitable)
Of course wildstar will have gold sellers. But I doubt it will be that easy for them. I've never seen less ignorance towards that amount of botting as from zenimax.
'We're working in it' my ass. They could do something right now, yet they refuse to do it. I will be cancelling my sub when I get back home. I'm done with it.1