Pvp and pve are completely different in many ways, each with their own set of disciplines and concerns, yet because of the overlap of zos implementation between pvp and pve, everything should be balanced for pvp first. It would get rid of a lot of the complaints if all testing for new items, sets, skills, etc was done on the pvp battlefield prior to introduction to pve. If its balanced for pvp, it will just work as designed for pve. I don't understand why they choose to do it this way where so much balancing and adjustment has to be done retrospectively. So much wasted time and effort and never a working solution for either game mode.
Pvp and pve are completely different in many ways, each with their own set of disciplines and concerns, yet because of the overlap of zos implementation between pvp and pve, everything should be balanced for pvp first. It would get rid of a lot of the complaints if all testing for new items, sets, skills, etc was done on the pvp battlefield prior to introduction to pve. If its balanced for pvp, it will just work as designed for pve. I don't understand why they choose to do it this way where so much balancing and adjustment has to be done retrospectively. So much wasted time and effort and never a working solution for either game mode.
I would wait hours for a battleground on the PTS and Cyrodil was almost always empty. So that might have something to do with their lack of testing in PvP.
It might would help if they offered players in-game rewards to test PvP out on the PTS, something to encourage more people to do it. That or they should just hire more people so they can do the testing themselves.
CreamedPieYum wrote: »Sorry, forgot to clarify that i’m on Xbox. So we don’t even have Greymoor yet
People have been constantly trashing this update without it even being released yet. Every single post is about some sweaty competitive perspective and it irritates me to no end.
Is this game owned by the PvPers or something? Are they paying off ZoS? (Was a joke but you never know) Yes i may have been naive but i always thought pvE was the vast majority of people.
I just don’t want some game mode i never play to dictate every single thing that goes on in ESO. I for one actually think the Vamp line is gonna be cool as hell, i actually enjoy myself unlike these pessimists.
Only real complaint i have is that the nightblade is kind of pointless as it’s literally vampire now. And who cares if this update biases stamina or magic, takes 5 minutes to buy back and redistribute points. People are way too try-hardy and min-max. It’s a VIDEO GAME
Pvp and pve are completely different in many ways, each with their own set of disciplines and concerns, yet because of the overlap of zos implementation between pvp and pve, everything should be balanced for pvp first. It would get rid of a lot of the complaints if all testing for new items, sets, skills, etc was done on the pvp battlefield prior to introduction to pve. If its balanced for pvp, it will just work as designed for pve. I don't understand why they choose to do it this way where so much balancing and adjustment has to be done retrospectively. So much wasted time and effort and never a working solution for either game mode.
I would wait hours for a battleground on the PTS and Cyrodil was almost always empty. So that might have something to do with their lack of testing in PvP.
It might would help if they offered players in-game rewards to test PvP out on the PTS, something to encourage more people to do it. That or they should just hire more people so they can do the testing themselves.
Pvp and pve are completely different in many ways, each with their own set of disciplines and concerns, yet because of the overlap of zos implementation between pvp and pve, everything should be balanced for pvp first. It would get rid of a lot of the complaints if all testing for new items, sets, skills, etc was done on the pvp battlefield prior to introduction to pve. If its balanced for pvp, it will just work as designed for pve. I don't understand why they choose to do it this way where so much balancing and adjustment has to be done retrospectively. So much wasted time and effort and never a working solution for either game mode.
I would wait hours for a battleground on the PTS and Cyrodil was almost always empty. So that might have something to do with their lack of testing in PvP.
It might would help if they offered players in-game rewards to test PvP out on the PTS, something to encourage more people to do it. That or they should just hire more people so they can do the testing themselves.
Well, you don't exactly get anything for reporting a bug, not even thanks most of the time, and they ignore a majority of input, so what do you expect people to eventually do when they start to believe they aren't being heard and don't matter?
They will simply stop testing.
Bandwidth and time are both not free for the end-user. What then, do players really gain from testing on the PTS when the game still goes to live with the same exact bugs they have reported on PTS, or abysmal balance and performance?
Pvp and pve are completely different in many ways, each with their own set of disciplines and concerns, yet because of the overlap of zos implementation between pvp and pve, everything should be balanced for pvp first. It would get rid of a lot of the complaints if all testing for new items, sets, skills, etc was done on the pvp battlefield prior to introduction to pve. If its balanced for pvp, it will just work as designed for pve. I don't understand why they choose to do it this way where so much balancing and adjustment has to be done retrospectively. So much wasted time and effort and never a working solution for either game mode.
I would wait hours for a battleground on the PTS and Cyrodil was almost always empty. So that might have something to do with their lack of testing in PvP.
It might would help if they offered players in-game rewards to test PvP out on the PTS, something to encourage more people to do it. That or they should just hire more people so they can do the testing themselves.
Well, you don't exactly get anything for reporting a bug, not even thanks most of the time, and they ignore a majority of input, so what do you expect people to eventually do when they start to believe they aren't being heard and don't matter?
They will simply stop testing.
Bandwidth and time are both not free for the end-user. What then, do players really gain from testing on the PTS when the game still goes to live with the same exact bugs they have reported on PTS, or abysmal balance and performance?
CreamedPieYum wrote: »Sorry, forgot to clarify that i’m on Xbox. So we don’t even have Greymoor yet
People have been constantly trashing this update without it even being released yet. Every single post is about some sweaty competitive perspective and it irritates me to no end.
Is this game owned by the PvPers or something? Are they paying off ZoS? (Was a joke but you never know) Yes i may have been naive but i always thought pvE was the vast majority of people.
I just don’t want some game mode i never play to dictate every single thing that goes on in ESO. I for one actually think the Vamp line is gonna be cool as hell, i actually enjoy myself unlike these pessimists.
Only real complaint i have is that the nightblade is kind of pointless as it’s literally vampire now. And who cares if this update biases stamina or magic, takes 5 minutes to buy back and redistribute points. People are way too try-hardy and min-max. It’s a VIDEO GAME
people really like writing walls of text. An Einstein quote, "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
pvp is the endgame for solo players, and this game is solo rpg online.
pve bosses do not complain, so in pvp must be done balance, hence the debates
CreamedPieYum wrote: »Sorry, forgot to clarify that i’m on Xbox. So we don’t even have Greymoor yet
People have been constantly trashing this update without it even being released yet. Every single post is about some sweaty competitive perspective and it irritates me to no end.
Is this game owned by the PvPers or something? Are they paying off ZoS? (Was a joke but you never know) Yes i may have been naive but i always thought pvE was the vast majority of people.
I just don’t want some game mode i never play to dictate every single thing that goes on in ESO. I for one actually think the Vamp line is gonna be cool as hell, i actually enjoy myself unlike these pessimists.
Only real complaint i have is that the nightblade is kind of pointless as it’s literally vampire now. And who cares if this update biases stamina or magic, takes 5 minutes to buy back and redistribute points. People are way too try-hardy and min-max. It’s a VIDEO GAME
alewis478b14_ESO wrote: »As with most games, the PvP'ers are a very small percentage of players but they are very vocal. Plus, the PvP systems are terrible so they have a lot more to complain about that others.
[...]people who didn't buy the chapter got access to it anyway, farmed their mythic and get to keep them.[...]
CreamedPieYum wrote: »Sorry, forgot to clarify that i’m on Xbox. So we don’t even have Greymoor yet
People have been constantly trashing this update without it even being released yet. Every single post is about some sweaty competitive perspective and it irritates me to no end.
Is this game owned by the PvPers or something? Are they paying off ZoS? (Was a joke but you never know) Yes i may have been naive but i always thought pvE was the vast majority of people.
I just don’t want some game mode i never play to dictate every single thing that goes on in ESO. I for one actually think the Vamp line is gonna be cool as hell, i actually enjoy myself unlike these pessimists.
Only real complaint i have is that the nightblade is kind of pointless as it’s literally vampire now. And who cares if this update biases stamina or magic, takes 5 minutes to buy back and redistribute points. People are way too try-hardy and min-max. It’s a VIDEO GAME
[...]people who didn't buy the chapter got access to it anyway, farmed their mythic and get to keep them.[...]
what? is this true? so who didn't buy the chapter and went there (as an exploit you could say), get to keep the mythic items? this can't be true, i hope it either didn't work or these got removed. Otherwise it's not fair toward the players that didn't abuse the unpaid access.
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[...]people who didn't buy the chapter got access to it anyway, farmed their mythic and get to keep them.[...]
what? is this true? so who didn't buy the chapter and went there (as an exploit you could say), get to keep the mythic items? this can't be true, i hope it either didn't work or these got removed. Otherwise it's not fair toward the players that didn't abuse the unpaid access.
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Sorry didn't read this topic for a while and yes, ppl who didn't buy the chapter had access and some ppl farmed mythic before zeni fixed it and didn't remove the items from them.
Same way ppl created necromancers without having Elswyr last year and got to keep them.
CreamedPieYum wrote: »I just don’t want some game mode i never play to dictate every single thing that goes on in ESO.
CreamedPieYum wrote: »Sorry, forgot to clarify that i’m on Xbox. So we don’t even have Greymoor yet
People have been constantly trashing this update without it even being released yet. Every single post is about some sweaty competitive perspective and it irritates me to no end.
Is this game owned by the PvPers or something? Are they paying off ZoS? (Was a joke but you never know) Yes i may have been naive but i always thought pvE was the vast majority of people.
I just don’t want some game mode i never play to dictate every single thing that goes on in ESO. I for one actually think the Vamp line is gonna be cool as hell, i actually enjoy myself unlike these pessimists.
Only real complaint i have is that the nightblade is kind of pointless as it’s literally vampire now. And who cares if this update biases stamina or magic, takes 5 minutes to buy back and redistribute points. People are way too try-hardy and min-max. It’s a VIDEO GAME
CreamedPieYum wrote: »Sorry, forgot to clarify that i’m on Xbox. So we don’t even have Greymoor yet
People have been constantly trashing this update without it even being released yet. Every single post is about some sweaty competitive perspective and it irritates me to no end.
Is this game owned by the PvPers or something? Are they paying off ZoS? (Was a joke but you never know) Yes i may have been naive but i always thought pvE was the vast majority of people.
I just don’t want some game mode i never play to dictate every single thing that goes on in ESO. I for one actually think the Vamp line is gonna be cool as hell, i actually enjoy myself unlike these pessimists.
Only real complaint i have is that the nightblade is kind of pointless as it’s literally vampire now. And who cares if this update biases stamina or magic, takes 5 minutes to buy back and redistribute points. People are way too try-hardy and min-max. It’s a VIDEO GAME