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ZOS ignore most of proposals on this forum?
Quelios
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I've seen many proposals on this forum for game improvements but I arrived to conclusion that most of proposals are just dying here. Ok, I think ZOS is trying to consider claims about errors or bugs but when we share ideas about other improvements, there is no feedback. Tell me if I'm wrong. Tell me which idea or proposal from this forum was applied on further patch or dlc.
This is not a topic about frustration or crying for nothing, I'm just trying to understand which way is better to contribute for game improvements, how is the communication bridge between players and developers, how can we do more and how can we push more ZOS to pay more attention to our proposals.
This is not a topic about frustration or crying for nothing, I'm just trying to understand which way is better to contribute for game improvements, how is the communication bridge between players and developers, how can we do more and how can we push more ZOS to pay more attention to our proposals.
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Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭They don't even bother commenting on exploits. e.g., https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/519709/ap-boosting-feeding-legit-against-tos0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Of course they ignore most proposals. Most proposals on the forums aren't very well thought out.
A number of frequently requested items have become part of the game, including:
Staffs, bows, and 2 handers becoming worth two set piece bonuses
Transmutation of item traits
Storage chests
Multicrafting
Individually resetting skills/morphs
New mechanics/map changes for Cyrodiil
Battlegrounds and its various experiments with CP and grouping
The return of faction locked PVP campaigns
Most recently: alliance change tokens
The best way to get something implemented eventually is persistent, well thought out requests for it. That's no guarantee, but it has worked in the above cases.Edited by VaranisArano on June 8, 2020 8:44AM31 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't think ignore is quite the right word. But you can't honestly expect them to copy/paste every idea that some random person posts on the forum. Especially if you also don't want ESO reduced to one massive garbage fire [snip]
[Edited to remove Bashing]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on June 9, 2020 4:35PM"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."8 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭alliance change tokens...and bringing back faction locked pvp...
Do you see how stupid that is? wow nobody went crazy over that?
I mean come on...isn't it cheaper to get the any race any alliance thing?
They are literally breaking their game and selling us back the obvious fix to it...3 -
MJallday✭✭✭✭✭
✭I’ve been playing 5 years. To my knowledge only 2 decisions voiced here have enforced a reverse decision
1. The HDR fiasco c 2018
2. The light attack/heavy attack proposal 3 months or so ago
A friend of mine had a great analogy for the suggestions: You think you’re feeding a tortoise? Your actually only waving lettuce at a rock.
Edited by MJallday on June 8, 2020 8:48AM6 -
tsaescishoeshiner✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Game design shouldn't be a popularity contest. Do you trust ME to balance your game?? I want playable Afliqs.
But sure, what if ESO was design-by-forums? Well, here's a list of current posts on the forums requesting changes:
- Thrassian Stranglers needs a buff
- Thrassian Stranglers is balanced
- Nightblades should be buffed these specific ways
- Actually, nightblades need these specific changes
- Glass cannon builds are too strong in PvP
- Glass cannon builds are too weak in PvP
So... which change makes it to the patch? What's your call?
Forum posts get bumped up to the top when people comment on them, favoring negative and controversial forum posts that people want to weigh in on. Like yeah there are popular ideas on the forums that might be good, but there's just so so so many ideas that it's rare that any one idea is a) the goodest idea or 2) actually incorporated
And as someone who's worked in customer service, lemme tell you the customer is in fact not always right .... studies have shown :~pPC-NA
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭alliance change tokens...and bringing back faction locked pvp...
Do you see how stupid that is? wow nobody went crazy over that?
I mean come on...isn't it cheaper to get the any race any alliance thing?
They are literally breaking their game and selling us back the obvious fix to it...
Its cheaper to get Any Race, Any Alliance, yes.
But Alliance Change tokens were a frequent request well before the return of faction locked,campaigns because they allow you to change the faction on a fully leveled character. They are useful if, for example, your PVP guild swaps to a different faction and you would rather pay for a token than regrind a new character's skills.2 -
Jinxxy85✭✭✭The issue with giving every single person what they're asking for is you wouldn't even have a game at the end of it. So many people want the exact opposite of each other. It's a game with thousands of people asking for thousands of different things and it's impossible to be able to use every idea, suggestion or desire. Also factor in that some things asked for have been stated to not even be feasible.
At the end of the day all you can do is what is already going on and trust that things are read and things cherry picked and discussed higher up the chain. I doubt ZOS will ever begin commenting directly as that gets hopes up that something has been acknowledged.3 -
Yamenstein✭✭✭✭✭I have no problem with ZoS not implementing every change that is presented in a forum thread, most of them haven't been thought out enough and don't take into consideration many other aspects of the game.
I just wish we got more acknowledgement when something's happen. For example; the vampire changes that have recently been implemented aren't liked by many people - the feed stages don't work, the advantage/disadvantage points to stages aren't great, skills are still useless, build diversity has taken a hit, etc. And a lot of people are complaining about it.
Maybe people like it more than it seems ? I'm sure stat wise ZoS is seeing "a lot of people playing vampires" but numbers can easily be bloated. There are a lot more casuals than people who are in the game progressing content.
Even I have my main as a vampire - I don't really use any of the skills from it. I like having vampirism on my toon just so I can vary how I play zone content. ZONE content.
/RantCrown Crates are a trap. Don't fall for the gamble! Balance? What Balance? Balance, smellance.
Necro for them RP feels.1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭well, it is their game and in the end their decision what direction the game is going to - but One Tamriel is an example of when they actually chose to listen to the player base who felt that level-gating content wasn't the right way to approach a game, which should offer all of Tanriel to be explored at any time and in any order - and this turned out to be a very successful move. Housing is another example, as it was never really planned to go there - but this turned out to be really popular as well. Or when we complained that there is no poison to be applied to weapons - this was added as well due to player suggestion - ok, it turned out differently than expected but it was added.Or take first person view in the very beginning - we got it that as well. So one cannot say that ZOS would ignore suggestions, but they don't have to implement them if they don't feel that it fits their game design.
My guess is as well that they are thinking about the overland difficulty threads - I think it is fine as it is, but I can as well see that people have a point there as well to optionally get their difficulty raised a bit - just that I doubt it will as well be implemented with better rewards.Edited by Lysette on June 8, 2020 9:24AM2 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »alliance change tokens...and bringing back faction locked pvp...
Do you see how stupid that is? wow nobody went crazy over that?
I mean come on...isn't it cheaper to get the any race any alliance thing?
They are literally breaking their game and selling us back the obvious fix to it...
Its cheaper to get Any Race, Any Alliance, yes.
But Alliance Change tokens were a frequent request well before the return of faction locked,campaigns because they allow you to change the faction on a fully leveled character. They are useful if, for example, your PVP guild swaps to a different faction and you would rather pay for a token than regrind a new character's skills.
What is the advantage of having a higher rank passed vigor, barrier and purge?
I NEVER pay attention to someones rank in pvp... it's either they can kill me or they cannot .
For me regrinding is the best. However I will say when this game came out i made 1 character for each faction.
I might be missing something i guess.Edited by LuxLunae on June 8, 2020 9:20AM0 -
BoraxFlux✭✭✭✭✭alliance change tokens...and bringing back faction locked pvp...
Do you see how stupid that is? wow nobody went crazy over that?
I mean come on...isn't it cheaper to get the any race any alliance thing?
They are literally breaking their game and selling us back the obvious fix to it...
It creates a possibility that was never there before.
Before: a character you have can't play another alliance even in a non-faction-locked campaign.
After: you can change the alliance of a specific character and play on the new alliance of your choice.
I have advanced and put a lot of effort in an AD character which never can play on an EP campaign PvP wise,
The character never will be a member of an EP alliance background-story wise.
With Any Race Any Alliance, you can freely choose the races within the alliance of your choice at the creation of a new character.
Also, when you use a Race-Change Token, you can freely choose a race within the alliance you already had for your character, but no change of alliance was possible.
Not going to copy paste and create an exact twin in the EP alliance, because that regrind doesn't bring me any joy.
The choice is now there to change the specific alliance. I might do that some day. Not sure whether the PvP ranks will be reset for this character though.
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barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭people wanted skyshards, and lore books to be account wide.
Now they are, if you want to cough up the credits.
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Ri_Khan✭✭✭✭✭
✭barney2525 wrote: »people wanted skyshards, and lore books to be account wide.
Now they are, if you want to cough up the credits.
Exactly. They only implement feedback they get from players as long as they can charge a premium for it in the clown store.3 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭then give me a class change token - 2 of my characters are very unhappy with their chosen classes.1 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Forget about proposals or ideas, they just plain ignore most of the forums.
I mean the only reason to post in the “Mac Bugs” forum is to get help from other players. There is no one there to help with or even simply record technical issues there at all.
All they post is to contact customer service, meanwhile customer service tells you to report it as a bug. And reporting a bug seems like a dead end. /shrug
It’s the least useful support forum I have ever encountered for a video game.6 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »alliance change tokens...and bringing back faction locked pvp...
Do you see how stupid that is? wow nobody went crazy over that?
I mean come on...isn't it cheaper to get the any race any alliance thing?
They are literally breaking their game and selling us back the obvious fix to it...
Its cheaper to get Any Race, Any Alliance, yes.
But Alliance Change tokens were a frequent request well before the return of faction locked,campaigns because they allow you to change the faction on a fully leveled character. They are useful if, for example, your PVP guild swaps to a different faction and you would rather pay for a token than regrind a new character's skills.
What is the advantage of having a higher rank passed vigor, barrier and purge?
I NEVER pay attention to someones rank in pvp... it's either they can kill me or they cannot .
For me regrinding is the best. However I will say when this game came out i made 1 character for each faction.
I might be missing something i guess.
It's not really about rank.
I only have one MagDK.
If my guild swaps faction, and I still want to play MagDK, I need to regrind a whole new MagDK. Except now, I have the option to pay to faction swap my existing MagDK and not have to regrind levels and skill lines used in PVP. It's not just the alliance war lines, it's also regrinding Psijic Order, Fighters/Mages Guild, Undaunted, Alchemy, etc.Edited by VaranisArano on June 8, 2020 11:07AM1 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »alliance change tokens...and bringing back faction locked pvp...
Do you see how stupid that is? wow nobody went crazy over that?
I mean come on...isn't it cheaper to get the any race any alliance thing?
They are literally breaking their game and selling us back the obvious fix to it...
Its cheaper to get Any Race, Any Alliance, yes.
But Alliance Change tokens were a frequent request well before the return of faction locked,campaigns because they allow you to change the faction on a fully leveled character. They are useful if, for example, your PVP guild swaps to a different faction and you would rather pay for a token than regrind a new character's skills.
What is the advantage of having a higher rank passed vigor, barrier and purge?
I NEVER pay attention to someones rank in pvp... it's either they can kill me or they cannot .
For me regrinding is the best. However I will say when this game came out i made 1 character for each faction.
I might be missing something i guess.
I only have one MagDK.
If my guild swaps faction, and I still want to play MagDK, I need to regrind a whole new MagDK. Except now, I have the option to pay to faction swap my existing MagDK and not have to regrind levels and skill lines used in PVP. It's not just the alliance war lines, it's also regrinding Psijic Order, Fighters/Mages Guild, Undaunted, Alchemy, etc.
All. Those. Skyshards. Don't you wanna grab those all over again?
But yeah. Alliance Change Tokens has been a feature I've been waiting for despite my already regrinding my old character.
Glad others get it though! 1 -
relentless_turnip✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Not to say that there aren't ideas without merit, but I for one am glad the majority get the attention they deserve, which is none. They are the developers they should be responsible for all the content and changes in the game.
I see probably about 20 requests a day that suit the individual making them. Very few ideas are impartial and give thought to everyone. People can't complete certain content, get their ass handed to them or just hit a wall when building their character and want the game changed for them.
I can get on board with them quality of life changes. Like adding UI elements we have to have add-ons to enjoy. Combat changes should be made by the developer though 👍2 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I've seen many proposals on this forum for game improvements but I arrived to conclusion that most of proposals are just dying here. Ok, I think ZOS is trying to consider claims about errors or bugs but when we share ideas about other improvements, there is no feedback. Tell me if I'm wrong. Tell me which idea or proposal from this forum was applied on further patch or dlc.
This is not a topic about frustration or crying for nothing, I'm just trying to understand which way is better to contribute for game improvements, how is the communication bridge between players and developers, how can we do more and how can we push more ZOS to pay more attention to our proposals.
I've seen many proposals on this forum for what the *poster* considered to be game improvements. I am totally satisfied that most of the proposals are just dying here. Many of the "improvements" proposed would have had me immediately quit the game. If you want to pitch personal preference "improvements" to the game, consider using /feedback in game. They do read those. Whether they will implement changes is a totally different question.7 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am thankful that most proposals simply come here to die.
That said, I've seen almost universal support for a couple simply harmless proposals that have consistently been voiced but not implemented:
1. Decrease the size of Ms Flappy Wings (matriarch).
2. A Hide Shoulders option.
PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo5 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »alliance change tokens...and bringing back faction locked pvp...
Do you see how stupid that is? wow nobody went crazy over that?
I mean come on...isn't it cheaper to get the any race any alliance thing?
They are literally breaking their game and selling us back the obvious fix to it...
Its cheaper to get Any Race, Any Alliance, yes.
But Alliance Change tokens were a frequent request well before the return of faction locked,campaigns because they allow you to change the faction on a fully leveled character. They are useful if, for example, your PVP guild swaps to a different faction and you would rather pay for a token than regrind a new character's skills.
What is the advantage of having a higher rank passed vigor, barrier and purge?
I NEVER pay attention to someones rank in pvp... it's either they can kill me or they cannot .
For me regrinding is the best. However I will say when this game came out i made 1 character for each faction.
I might be missing something i guess.
It's not really about rank.
I only have one MagDK.
If my guild swaps faction, and I still want to play MagDK, I need to regrind a whole new MagDK. Except now, I have the option to pay to faction swap my existing MagDK and not have to regrind levels and skill lines used in PVP. It's not just the alliance war lines, it's also regrinding Psijic Order, Fighters/Mages Guild, Undaunted, Alchemy, etc.
ok, I'll concede to the psigic line...even I won't be botherd to redo that or mages guild lol. but didn't zos have some thing that let you unlock ALL the skills on a new character so long as you unlocked it on another?
So starnge...0 -
BoraxFlux✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »alliance change tokens...and bringing back faction locked pvp...
Do you see how stupid that is? wow nobody went crazy over that?
I mean come on...isn't it cheaper to get the any race any alliance thing?
They are literally breaking their game and selling us back the obvious fix to it...
Its cheaper to get Any Race, Any Alliance, yes.
But Alliance Change tokens were a frequent request well before the return of faction locked,campaigns because they allow you to change the faction on a fully leveled character. They are useful if, for example, your PVP guild swaps to a different faction and you would rather pay for a token than regrind a new character's skills.
What is the advantage of having a higher rank passed vigor, barrier and purge?
I NEVER pay attention to someones rank in pvp... it's either they can kill me or they cannot .
For me regrinding is the best. However I will say when this game came out i made 1 character for each faction.
I might be missing something i guess.
It's not really about rank.
I only have one MagDK.
If my guild swaps faction, and I still want to play MagDK, I need to regrind a whole new MagDK. Except now, I have the option to pay to faction swap my existing MagDK and not have to regrind levels and skill lines used in PVP. It's not just the alliance war lines, it's also regrinding Psijic Order, Fighters/Mages Guild, Undaunted, Alchemy, etc.
ok, I'll concede to the psigic line...even I won't be botherd to redo that or mages guild lol. but didn't zos have some thing that let you unlock ALL the skills on a new character so long as you unlocked it on another?
So starnge...
That is correct, in Crown Store.
While changing alliance will cost some real life ' gold' (2500 crowns) it is less costly then buying nearly all those skillines.
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ItsJustHashtag✭✭✭✭
Shield cast times.I’ve been playing 5 years. To my knowledge only 2 decisions voiced here have enforced a reverse decision
1. The HDR fiasco c 2018
2. The light attack/heavy attack proposal 3 months or so ago
A friend of mine had a great analogy for the suggestions: You think you’re feeding a tortoise? Your actually only waving lettuce at a rock.
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ItsJustHashtag✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »alliance change tokens...and bringing back faction locked pvp...
Do you see how stupid that is? wow nobody went crazy over that?
I mean come on...isn't it cheaper to get the any race any alliance thing?
They are literally breaking their game and selling us back the obvious fix to it...
Its cheaper to get Any Race, Any Alliance, yes.
But Alliance Change tokens were a frequent request well before the return of faction locked,campaigns because they allow you to change the faction on a fully leveled character. They are useful if, for example, your PVP guild swaps to a different faction and you would rather pay for a token than regrind a new character's skills.
They created a problem by reimplementing faction locks to only turn around and offer a crown store purchase to “fix” that issue. The proof is in the pudding, WAKE UP PEOPLE.2 -
UGotBenched91✭✭✭✭✭I've seen many proposals on this forum for game improvements but I arrived to conclusion that most of proposals are just dying here. Ok, I think ZOS is trying to consider claims about errors or bugs but when we share ideas about other improvements, there is no feedback. Tell me if I'm wrong. Tell me which idea or proposal from this forum was applied on further patch or dlc.
This is not a topic about frustration or crying for nothing, I'm just trying to understand which way is better to contribute for game improvements, how is the communication bridge between players and developers, how can we do more and how can we push more ZOS to pay more attention to our proposals.
Yeah. The only time I even see ZOS reply to anything it’s if a post is complimenting them 100% without a seed of criticism or if someone violates a forum rule. Other than that they are ghosts.2 -
Veinblood1965✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There's a reason for no responses on the forums. If they started saying things like this is a great idea we will look into implementing that, then find out later it can't be implemented due to coding or time or money constraints that would then lead to people being upset and then also more posts from others with improvement ideas and there's just no end. Not a bad thing to post about hey I've got a great idea but it's best for ZoS to just read them and then add them like was mentioned above over time without mentioning it in the forums.
They do listen though, take the guild vendors, the new search function is a HUGE improvement.Edited by Veinblood1965 on June 8, 2020 2:30PM3 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Of course they ignore most proposals. Most proposals on the forums aren't very well thought out.
And that's typical of most game forums, honestly.3 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i thank God daily that they are ignored.
the proposals and ideas on this forum (that i have seen) are Horrible and terrible and would Destroy eso if implemented.
i pray to God they are never listened to by zenimax and that they remain as is.
Zenimax decisions have been awesome and their alternatives work and is fair and i pray it Stays that way.
yes i have alot of things i HATE about eso. but ...
this is not a democracy and up for votes and asking for ideas. this is THEIR GAME, its none of our business to instruct and FORCE your opinions on someone elses Game.
thats how it is, and i pray it Stays that way.
Edited by Gilvoth on June 8, 2020 3:31PM6