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why is the PVE crowd so hostile and rude?
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't know man, this really only happened to me once, so i can't help but think that something someone did allows this to happen far more than it should, because statistically it's impossible, that you or anyone else always get into such groups.
And it was my fault, because i queued as healer but was dps, i was carrying, but some people just do not like that i guess, anyway, they started saying something like i am a terrorist and i will kill your parents or something like that, thinking it back it's funny.
Also, i agree with blue raven, most, the vast majority of dungeon runs are just everyone shuts up aside from a hello at the start and a goodbye or gg at the end, that's like 90 % of the runs, the other 9.5% are runs where people talk a bit more, and the last 0.5 % is the batshit crazy runs where you found really *** people.Edited by JinMori on May 31, 2020 1:22PM0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Saying PvE is toxic is kind of casting a large net, isn’t it?
Are trading guilds toxic? Not in my experience.
Housing guilds? Again no.
RP guilds? Not really.
Social/leveling guilds? Nope.
Are people who are out questing toxic? Not that I have seen.
People doing antiquities? No.
Dolmen groups? No again.
World boss groups? I actually wish they would communicate more.
It seems like the complaint is for a specific type of pve, specifically pick up dungeon or trial groups. And the answer for if they are toxic is; “Sometimes, maybe.”
when we are talking about PVE we are talking about Player vs Enviroment and talking about PVP is Player vs Player. if u wanna go ahead and widen the spectrum with antiquities and RP we could consider RP even PVP.
u wont find much toxicity in easy content(content in which u cant fail at all). it mostly appears when ppl get their image of beeing all powerfull shattered. which even can be the case when u are outperforming others in a dungeon.(like telling ur healer its ok if they go for a more dpsing build when u can healtank it)
No.
First, you don’t get to redefine “pve” to fit your own narrative. Every time people go out into the environment and fight a npc entity, that’s pve.
Second, dungeon groups are rarely toxic. Usually it’s just non-communicative anonymous run. With nothing more then a “hello“ at best.
Third, I see now that this is a retaliatory thread. Nothing more then a “I am not toxic, your toxic”, type thing. Don’t do that.
"Every time people go out into the enviroment and fight a npc, thats pve" ->>>>> i see that we agree then
Good. So you agree antiquities and RP is pve as well. Glad we can get that settled.0 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭Saying PvE is toxic is kind of casting a large net, isn’t it?
Are trading guilds toxic? Not in my experience.
Housing guilds? Again no.
RP guilds? Not really.
Social/leveling guilds? Nope.
Are people who are out questing toxic? Not that I have seen.
People doing antiquities? No.
Dolmen groups? No again.
World boss groups? I actually wish they would communicate more.
It seems like the complaint is for a specific type of pve, specifically pick up dungeon or trial groups. And the answer for if they are toxic is; “Sometimes, maybe.”
when we are talking about PVE we are talking about Player vs Enviroment and talking about PVP is Player vs Player. if u wanna go ahead and widen the spectrum with antiquities and RP we could consider RP even PVP.
u wont find much toxicity in easy content(content in which u cant fail at all). it mostly appears when ppl get their image of beeing all powerfull shattered. which even can be the case when u are outperforming others in a dungeon.(like telling ur healer its ok if they go for a more dpsing build when u can healtank it)
No.
First, you don’t get to redefine “pve” to fit your own narrative. Every time people go out into the environment and fight a npc entity, that’s pve.
Second, dungeon groups are rarely toxic. Usually it’s just non-communicative anonymous run. With nothing more then a “hello“ at best.
Third, I see now that this is a retaliatory thread. Nothing more then a “I am not toxic, your toxic”, type thing. Don’t do that.
"Every time people go out into the enviroment and fight a npc, thats pve" ->>>>> i see that we agree then
Good. So you agree antiquities and RP is pve as well. Glad we can get that settled.
u need to explain to me tho how the interaction between two RP Players is considered PVE and how housing is PVE. or even how antiquities can be pure pve when u mostly do green or blue leads to lvl it up and if u want to have certain mythic leads u need to go into imperial city which is a pvp map where u need to fight other players to get to kill the upper IC bosses.
just to repeat what u wrote :
"Every time people go out into the enviroment and fight a npc, thats pve"
antiquities partially qualify for that altho as stated by the devs u get leads from anything rly.Edited by Noctus on May 31, 2020 1:35PM0 -
JanTanhide✭✭✭✭✭
✭LOL. Ok. I've been in this game almost 6 years with about 15,000 hours of gameplay with many, many PUG runs. I've only had two PUG runs with rude people.
Something is fishy here.2 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭JanTanhide wrote: »LOL. Ok. I've been in this game almost 6 years with about 15,000 hours of gameplay with many, many PUG runs. I've only had two PUG runs with rude people.
Something is fishy here.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6796651#Comment_6796651
rly ?
btw what u described in that comment happened to me a few times. other times for example i told the healer to switch to a loadout with which he can do more dps cause i can manage or equip the skill which lets me restore resources as a tank which ended up in the healer telling me that i suck etc. other times ppl tell me im rushing to much and then be rude.
tbh i mostly get positive feedback tho especially new players like to run with me through vet dungeons.
but this is also the case with pvp i get invited into guilds i get complimented and i also help newer players to be successfull in pvp.
ofc u have bad apples sometimes but thats not something thats exclusive to any game mode. thats the point i wanted to bring accros yet ppl still want to argue i see.0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Saying PvE is toxic is kind of casting a large net, isn’t it?
Are trading guilds toxic? Not in my experience.
Housing guilds? Again no.
RP guilds? Not really.
Social/leveling guilds? Nope.
Are people who are out questing toxic? Not that I have seen.
People doing antiquities? No.
Dolmen groups? No again.
World boss groups? I actually wish they would communicate more.
It seems like the complaint is for a specific type of pve, specifically pick up dungeon or trial groups. And the answer for if they are toxic is; “Sometimes, maybe.”
when we are talking about PVE we are talking about Player vs Enviroment and talking about PVP is Player vs Player. if u wanna go ahead and widen the spectrum with antiquities and RP we could consider RP even PVP.
u wont find much toxicity in easy content(content in which u cant fail at all). it mostly appears when ppl get their image of beeing all powerfull shattered. which even can be the case when u are outperforming others in a dungeon.(like telling ur healer its ok if they go for a more dpsing build when u can healtank it)
No.
First, you don’t get to redefine “pve” to fit your own narrative. Every time people go out into the environment and fight a npc entity, that’s pve.
Second, dungeon groups are rarely toxic. Usually it’s just non-communicative anonymous run. With nothing more then a “hello“ at best.
Third, I see now that this is a retaliatory thread. Nothing more then a “I am not toxic, your toxic”, type thing. Don’t do that.
"Every time people go out into the enviroment and fight a npc, thats pve" ->>>>> i see that we agree then
Good. So you agree antiquities and RP is pve as well. Glad we can get that settled.
u need to explain to me tho how the interaction between two RP Players is considered PVE and how housing is PVE. or even how antiquities can be pure pve when u mostly do green or blue leads to lvl it up and if u want to have certain mythic leads u need to go into imperial city which is a pvp map where u need to fight other players to get to kill the upper IC bosses.
just to repeat what u wrote :
"Every time people go out into the enviroment and fight a npc, thats pve"
antiquities partially qualify for that altho as stated by the devs u get leads from anything rly.
I have encountered RP groups questing, in delves, and public dungeons. Are you suggesting pve mobs become non hostile to those groups?
I have at least one guild that has already created “antiquity” farming groups of more difficult mobs/areas. Again are the mobs non hostile to them?
Housing is pve (And pvp) as some furniture items need particular achievements to purchase. Also dungeons and trials reward furniture. Again I know I know of at least one guild that forms groups specifically to get those furniture pieces for fellow guildies.
Do I need to go on?
Edit: I should also add all of these groups appear to be non toxic to the group members, nor anyone in the area.Edited by BlueRaven on May 31, 2020 2:21PM0 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭JanTanhide wrote: »LOL. Ok. I've been in this game almost 6 years with about 15,000 hours of gameplay with many, many PUG runs. I've only had two PUG runs with rude people.
Something is fishy here.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6796651#Comment_6796651
rly ?
btw what u described in that comment happened to me a few times. other times for example i told the healer to switch to a loadout with which he can do more dps cause i can manage or equip the skill which lets me restore resources as a tank which ended up in the healer telling me that i suck etc. other times ppl tell me im rushing to much and then be rude.
tbh i mostly get positive feedback tho especially new players like to run with me through vet dungeons.
but this is also the case with pvp i get invited into guilds i get complimented and i also help newer players to be successfull in pvp.
ofc u have bad apples sometimes but thats not something thats exclusive to any game mode. thats the point i wanted to bring accros yet ppl still want to argue i see.
i dont mean to cause friction but ofc some one would have ago if you tell them to switch loadout, also you have to remeber peeps want to farm the dungeons rushing is rude you must always go as slow as the slowist player or wait till they catch upMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike0 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JanTanhide wrote: »LOL. Ok. I've been in this game almost 6 years with about 15,000 hours of gameplay with many, many PUG runs. I've only had two PUG runs with rude people.
Something is fishy here.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6796651#Comment_6796651
rly ?
btw what u described in that comment happened to me a few times. other times for example i told the healer to switch to a loadout with which he can do more dps cause i can manage or equip the skill which lets me restore resources as a tank which ended up in the healer telling me that i suck etc. other times ppl tell me im rushing to much and then be rude.
tbh i mostly get positive feedback tho especially new players like to run with me through vet dungeons.
but this is also the case with pvp i get invited into guilds i get complimented and i also help newer players to be successfull in pvp.
ofc u have bad apples sometimes but thats not something thats exclusive to any game mode. thats the point i wanted to bring accros yet ppl still want to argue i see.
i dont mean to cause friction but ofc some one would have ago if you tell them to switch loadout, also you have to remeber peeps want to farm the dungeons rushing is rude you must always go as slow as the slowist player or wait till they catch up
but cmon is it rude that i just clear up trash adds and wait at the boss ?1 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JanTanhide wrote: »LOL. Ok. I've been in this game almost 6 years with about 15,000 hours of gameplay with many, many PUG runs. I've only had two PUG runs with rude people.
Something is fishy here.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6796651#Comment_6796651
rly ?
btw what u described in that comment happened to me a few times. other times for example i told the healer to switch to a loadout with which he can do more dps cause i can manage or equip the skill which lets me restore resources as a tank which ended up in the healer telling me that i suck etc. other times ppl tell me im rushing to much and then be rude.
tbh i mostly get positive feedback tho especially new players like to run with me through vet dungeons.
but this is also the case with pvp i get invited into guilds i get complimented and i also help newer players to be successfull in pvp.
ofc u have bad apples sometimes but thats not something thats exclusive to any game mode. thats the point i wanted to bring accros yet ppl still want to argue i see.
i dont mean to cause friction but ofc some one would have ago if you tell them to switch loadout, also you have to remeber peeps want to farm the dungeons rushing is rude you must always go as slow as the slowist player or wait till they catch up
but cmon is it rude that i just clear up trash adds and wait at the boss ?
some people think so they want to try out maybe a new build or are new to the game, or you could join a pre made group of 3 and they are chatting on discord, there could be alot of reasons, including feeling pointless to be there if you clear allEdited by alainjbrennanb16_ESO on May 31, 2020 2:32PMMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike1 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭Saying PvE is toxic is kind of casting a large net, isn’t it?
Are trading guilds toxic? Not in my experience.
Housing guilds? Again no.
RP guilds? Not really.
Social/leveling guilds? Nope.
Are people who are out questing toxic? Not that I have seen.
People doing antiquities? No.
Dolmen groups? No again.
World boss groups? I actually wish they would communicate more.
It seems like the complaint is for a specific type of pve, specifically pick up dungeon or trial groups. And the answer for if they are toxic is; “Sometimes, maybe.”
when we are talking about PVE we are talking about Player vs Enviroment and talking about PVP is Player vs Player. if u wanna go ahead and widen the spectrum with antiquities and RP we could consider RP even PVP.
u wont find much toxicity in easy content(content in which u cant fail at all). it mostly appears when ppl get their image of beeing all powerfull shattered. which even can be the case when u are outperforming others in a dungeon.(like telling ur healer its ok if they go for a more dpsing build when u can healtank it)
No.
First, you don’t get to redefine “pve” to fit your own narrative. Every time people go out into the environment and fight a npc entity, that’s pve.
Second, dungeon groups are rarely toxic. Usually it’s just non-communicative anonymous run. With nothing more then a “hello“ at best.
Third, I see now that this is a retaliatory thread. Nothing more then a “I am not toxic, your toxic”, type thing. Don’t do that.
"Every time people go out into the enviroment and fight a npc, thats pve" ->>>>> i see that we agree then
Good. So you agree antiquities and RP is pve as well. Glad we can get that settled.
u need to explain to me tho how the interaction between two RP Players is considered PVE and how housing is PVE. or even how antiquities can be pure pve when u mostly do green or blue leads to lvl it up and if u want to have certain mythic leads u need to go into imperial city which is a pvp map where u need to fight other players to get to kill the upper IC bosses.
just to repeat what u wrote :
"Every time people go out into the enviroment and fight a npc, thats pve"
antiquities partially qualify for that altho as stated by the devs u get leads from anything rly.
I have encountered RP groups questing, in delves, and public dungeons. Are you suggesting pve mobs become non hostile to those groups?
i have encountered people RP in PVP so what ?
also leads are -and i repeat myself again- not "just" aquired by killing pve mobs....... some need u to go to pvp zone and participate in pvp.0 -
likecats✭✭✭✭✭Saying PvE is toxic is kind of casting a large net, isn’t it?
Are trading guilds toxic? Not in my experience.
Housing guilds? Again no.
RP guilds? Not really.
Social/leveling guilds? Nope.
Are people who are out questing toxic? Not that I have seen.
People doing antiquities? No.
Dolmen groups? No again.
World boss groups? I actually wish they would communicate more.
It seems like the complaint is for a specific type of pve, specifically pick up dungeon or trial groups. And the answer for if they are toxic is; “Sometimes, maybe.”
when we are talking about PVE we are talking about Player vs Enviroment and talking about PVP is Player vs Player. if u wanna go ahead and widen the spectrum with antiquities and RP we could consider RP even PVP.
u wont find much toxicity in easy content(content in which u cant fail at all). it mostly appears when ppl get their image of beeing all powerfull shattered. which even can be the case when u are outperforming others in a dungeon.(like telling ur healer its ok if they go for a more dpsing build when u can healtank it)
No.
First, you don’t get to redefine “pve” to fit your own narrative. Every time people go out into the environment and fight a npc entity, that’s pve.
Second, dungeon groups are rarely toxic. Usually it’s just non-communicative anonymous run. With nothing more then a “hello“ at best.
Third, I see now that this is a retaliatory thread. Nothing more then a “I am not toxic, your toxic”, type thing. Don’t do that.
In the context of this forum, PVE almost always refers to an endgame PVE trial warrior subgroup of players.
If it wasn't, literally none of the nerfs that affect PVE, negatively affect 95% of the PVE population that has never attempted a trial. In fact it is a buff for their gameplay experience as overland stuff is easy to the point of ridiculousness.
I guess it would be nice if every time something gets nerfed and PVE'rs say, "It's good for majority of people who do overland as its already too easy, but bad for the few people who will no longer be able to compete in a trail due to this change.". Instead of falsely claiming this nerf will negatively affect PVE every time.Edited by likecats on May 31, 2020 2:40PM0 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JanTanhide wrote: »LOL. Ok. I've been in this game almost 6 years with about 15,000 hours of gameplay with many, many PUG runs. I've only had two PUG runs with rude people.
Something is fishy here.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6796651#Comment_6796651
rly ?
btw what u described in that comment happened to me a few times. other times for example i told the healer to switch to a loadout with which he can do more dps cause i can manage or equip the skill which lets me restore resources as a tank which ended up in the healer telling me that i suck etc. other times ppl tell me im rushing to much and then be rude.
tbh i mostly get positive feedback tho especially new players like to run with me through vet dungeons.
but this is also the case with pvp i get invited into guilds i get complimented and i also help newer players to be successfull in pvp.
ofc u have bad apples sometimes but thats not something thats exclusive to any game mode. thats the point i wanted to bring accros yet ppl still want to argue i see.
i dont mean to cause friction but ofc some one would have ago if you tell them to switch loadout, also you have to remeber peeps want to farm the dungeons rushing is rude you must always go as slow as the slowist player or wait till they catch up
but cmon is it rude that i just clear up trash adds and wait at the boss ?
some people think so they want to try out maybe a new build or are new to the game, or you could join a pre made group of 3 and they are chatting on discord, there could be alot of reasons, including feeling pointless to be there if you clear all
you make some good points there. this doesnt justify their actions but explains why.0 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »JanTanhide wrote: »LOL. Ok. I've been in this game almost 6 years with about 15,000 hours of gameplay with many, many PUG runs. I've only had two PUG runs with rude people.
Something is fishy here.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6796651#Comment_6796651
rly ?
btw what u described in that comment happened to me a few times. other times for example i told the healer to switch to a loadout with which he can do more dps cause i can manage or equip the skill which lets me restore resources as a tank which ended up in the healer telling me that i suck etc. other times ppl tell me im rushing to much and then be rude.
tbh i mostly get positive feedback tho especially new players like to run with me through vet dungeons.
but this is also the case with pvp i get invited into guilds i get complimented and i also help newer players to be successfull in pvp.
ofc u have bad apples sometimes but thats not something thats exclusive to any game mode. thats the point i wanted to bring accros yet ppl still want to argue i see.
i dont mean to cause friction but ofc some one would have ago if you tell them to switch loadout, also you have to remeber peeps want to farm the dungeons rushing is rude you must always go as slow as the slowist player or wait till they catch up
but cmon is it rude that i just clear up trash adds and wait at the boss ?
some people think so they want to try out maybe a new build or are new to the game, or you could join a pre made group of 3 and they are chatting on discord, there could be alot of reasons, including feeling pointless to be there if you clear all
you make some good points there. this doesnt justify their actions but explains why.
like i always say its a 2 way street in dungeons always go as slow as the slowiest player, but being rude is also wrongMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike0 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭From the other thread:Any competitive setting brings out both the best and the worst in people...
And that includes PvE environments (like leaderboards, and "gotta top the DPS chart" people, and progression/'world-first' raiding). The difference is that there's also plenty of non-competitive PvE, while all of PvP (by definition) is competitive.
Also, GIFT (or "Online Disinhibition Effect")Edited by Kiralyn2000 on May 31, 2020 2:45PM2 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »From the other thread:Any competitive setting brings out both the best and the worst in people...
And that includes PvE environments (like leaderboards, and "gotta top the DPS chart" people, and progression/'world-first' raiding). The difference is that there's also plenty of non-competitive PvE, while all of PvP (by definition) is competitive.
Also, GIFT (or "Online Disinhibition Effect")
i gonna read this ty ^^Edited by Noctus on May 31, 2020 2:47PM0 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
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NO AND THIS ENRAGES ME AND I'M GOING TO VOTE KICK YOU THEN HATE-WHISPER YOU TELLING YOU THAT I HOPE YOU GET CANCER.JanTanhide wrote: »LOL. Ok. I've been in this game almost 6 years with about 15,000 hours of gameplay with many, many PUG runs. I've only had two PUG runs with rude people.
Something is fishy here.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6796651#Comment_6796651
rly ?
btw what u described in that comment happened to me a few times. other times for example i told the healer to switch to a loadout with which he can do more dps cause i can manage or equip the skill which lets me restore resources as a tank which ended up in the healer telling me that i suck etc. other times ppl tell me im rushing to much and then be rude.
tbh i mostly get positive feedback tho especially new players like to run with me through vet dungeons.
but this is also the case with pvp i get invited into guilds i get complimented and i also help newer players to be successfull in pvp.
ofc u have bad apples sometimes but thats not something thats exclusive to any game mode. thats the point i wanted to bring accros yet ppl still want to argue i see.
Wait, you're telling people what they need to be doing? No wonder you're having bad experiences. I wouldn't enrage if someone did that, but I'd definitely get annoyed and probably be like "lolno"0 -
Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭I would suggest you tame your expectations.
I have been here since beta and can tell you that every single time I ever put myself in a PUG dungeon run, which was pretty much daily back in my early days and at low CP levels, there was at least one run in the given day where one person in the group was willing to make issues over it in some fashion. Usually it was a tank directing hate to the DPS not being "gud", maybe he would bail; more often it would be DPS saying the tank sucks. Once in a blue moon, I would get some DPS gripes at me (healer) for expecting to be healed through dmg they could have blocked or simply avoided with proper positioning.
I think people need to understand that when you are not in a coordinated group that is used to working together, there are always going to be some issues.
The difference between decent players and even better human beings behind the keyboard, rests in how they deal with those issues when they come up.
That said, if you can't be prepared to adjust to your group's needs as they arise, you probably don't need to be PUGing, and most especially not PUGing vet and trial content.0 -
furiouslog✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »I would agree with when normal events are on but the community does come together like last night in Pvp and this also happens in Pve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNXbpWH2Mu8
What's the story behind that?0 -
ZOS_ConnorGmodGreetings all,
After review we have had to edited and remove several posts, mostly for Baiting and Disruptive Behavior. When discussing the topic of this thread please remain civil, constructive, and within the rules. If you believe that someone is violating the Code of Conduct or Community Rules please do not engage them, instead report their post.
You are welcome to review the Code of Conduct and Community Rules.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on May 31, 2020 3:49PM0 -
Gabrielzavadski✭✭✭ive had so many experiences with players straight up insulting me and my family just becouse something didnt work in the dungeon or trial. others allways seem to know it better even if its their first run. some ppl just straight up trolled the dungeon or if someone does 1 single mistake it results in kick or kick request by someone.
ive had multiple dungeons i join midway through as a tank and the team explains me that the previous tank insulted them and left them midway through and i can tell these guys werent incompetent just didnt know the mechanics and i ended up finishing the dungeon with them easily.
Edit:
im sure most ppl realized it but this thread is a simple reaction to this : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/530384/why-is-the-pvp-crowd-so-hostile-and-rude-to-each-other/p1
i want ppl to realize that it doesnt matter if its PVE or PVP there are allways gonna be people who has some mental issues demanding others to bend d knee for them and feel privilidged to treat others like dirt or letting their frustration out on others when their power fantasies are broken.
what we can do as community is first of all ignoring those ppl get inbetween and help the person whos beeing harassed.
PvP?
Git Gud!
PvE?
Those are loosers that create 20 characters for the sole porposes of doing more PvE (it's not RP, just PvE, Dungeons and Trials nonstop), and most of them sucks at PvP, the "true" endgame.
Go do dungeons once for the lore, and grind them for items or achievments and/or collectibles, then go PvP (Level isn't a issue, there are Below lv 50, and non-cp campaigns).
Anyway, if you don't want trolls and randoms *** with your life, always make sure to add people you meet and like on the friendlist, make contacts and join guilds, you will always have someone trustworthy to help you in any game content.
So... i think its Git Gud PvE too...
Glory for the Pact!0
