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why is the PVE crowd so hostile and rude?
Noctus
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ive had so many experiences with players straight up insulting me and my family just becouse something didnt work in the dungeon or trial. others allways seem to know it better even if its their first run. some ppl just straight up trolled the dungeon or if someone does 1 single mistake it results in kick or kick request by someone.
ive had multiple dungeons i join midway through as a tank and the team explains me that the previous tank insulted them and left them midway through and i can tell these guys werent incompetent just didnt know the mechanics and i ended up finishing the dungeon with them easily.
Edit:
im sure most ppl realized it but this thread is a simple reaction to this : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/530384/why-is-the-pvp-crowd-so-hostile-and-rude-to-each-other/p1
i want ppl to realize that it doesnt matter if its PVE or PVP there are allways gonna be people who has some mental issues demanding others to bend d knee for them and feel privilidged to treat others like dirt or letting their frustration out on others when their power fantasies are broken.
what we can do as community is first of all ignoring those ppl get inbetween and help the person whos beeing harassed.
Edited by Noctus on May 31, 2020 12:04PM ive had multiple dungeons i join midway through as a tank and the team explains me that the previous tank insulted them and left them midway through and i can tell these guys werent incompetent just didnt know the mechanics and i ended up finishing the dungeon with them easily.
Edit:
im sure most ppl realized it but this thread is a simple reaction to this : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/530384/why-is-the-pvp-crowd-so-hostile-and-rude-to-each-other/p1
i want ppl to realize that it doesnt matter if its PVE or PVP there are allways gonna be people who has some mental issues demanding others to bend d knee for them and feel privilidged to treat others like dirt or letting their frustration out on others when their power fantasies are broken.
what we can do as community is first of all ignoring those ppl get inbetween and help the person whos beeing harassed.
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TheDarkRuler✭✭✭✭✭
✭ive had so many experiences with players straight up insulting me and my family just becouse something didnt work in the dungeon or trial. others allways seem to know it better even if its their first run. some ppl just straight up trolled the dungeon or if someone does 1 single mistake it results in kick or kick request by someone.
ive had multiple dungeons i join midway through as a tank and the team explains me that the previous tank insulted them and left them midway through and i can tell these guys werent incompetent just didnt know the mechanics and i ended up finishing the dungeon with them easily.
Sadly this is an issue with random groups sometimes.
One of the main reasons why I mostly do guild stuff.
I like to explore new dungeons without reading about mechanics beforehand.. i like to learn first hand sometimes.4 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
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[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on May 31, 2020 3:33PMand then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."7 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I would agree with when normal events are on but the community does come together like last night in Pvp and this also happens in Pve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNXbpWH2Mu8 Main character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike2 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭While there are people who will run through dungeons disrespecting other players, whining about their performance and stressing their own fantasticness, they are a tiny minority of the players I’ve encountered and like bullies everywhere very much little people fit only for our pity. I really wouldn’t lose sleep over these sad 0.1%ers. They are easily avoided.
The reality is that the vast majority of players enjoy playing the game with others and are very friendly.
I think about the players who helped me 3 man various vet pledges when (amazingly) the group finder couldn’t locate another dd (getting a series of HM speed no death runs in the process) or the many people I’ve met on the hellquest that is the Dwarven mount leads who’ve been helpful, friendly and sympathetic when those leads just won’t drop, or the players who’ve organised and led blind runs through the Kynes Aegis trial, or the players I’ve bumped into in public dungeons (which sounds so much more sordid than it actually is) and helped do the various bosses there ... and that’s just in the last week.
The game is stuffed full of guilds crammed with cool, friendly players who all just want to play with other cool friendly players like you...1 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"The male hierarchy revolves around Intimidation and Domination and Most PVEers went through the same beginning of 10k dps and were probably told to "Git Gud" as well and now they continue the cycle of toxicity when the bullied becomes the bully. They start winning and and now they think it is within their right to trash people the way they were trashed.
A lot of people channel their real-world anger into a fantasy world where they are able to be Top DPS for a change.
I think most violent acts are emulated behavior and people tend to recreate their trauma so rather than take it personal, I see it as a reflection of that person's environment. Anger is often misdirected bc people who are coping with trauma are often emotionally immature if they are trying to deny their ailments rather than name them and begin the healing process.
This is more of a general societal observation, This may just be how people act in PVE but MMO communities are no exception to this observation bc they are made up of real life people.
In short, don't take it personally, like I said, another person's anger rarely has anything to do with you unless you have personally done something to warrant it, that person had issues long before you came along."
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Sarannah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It is because they are not as good/strong as they think, and blaming others is easier than blaming oneself.
Don't let a few rotten apples spoil your fun though, most players are really nice!0 -
Eifleber✭✭✭✭✭I can't say I share your average experience.
After running 100s of dungeons for approx 6 months I'd say it only happens 1 in 100 runs.❆
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Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I never liked these "why are people so bad" discussions.
Like what answer are you expecting? Do you really not realise that most people can be ****s, especially when they have anonymity.Edited by Ectheliontnacil on May 31, 2020 11:13AM3 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Idiot's exist you run into them in real life, why would you expect multiplayer games to be free of them.
It's not a matter of PVP or PVE players being toxic or more toxic, you will always run into someone who feels the need to act like an idiot to others, being in a game just brings that side of people out more easily due to the anonymity of being in a game.2 -
gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Both PVP and PVE are full of toxic people. It's actually a major issue in all online games. Complete losers who have failed miserably in their real lives, find a chance to vomit their complexes in a MMO game.
Just kick them from group and add them to ignore list. If they took it too far, report them.1 -
AlienSlof✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sadly, it's the nature of humans. The more I see of human behaviour, the more I love my cats!RIP Atherton, my beautiful little gentle friend. I will miss you forever. Without you I am a hollow shell.5 -
maboleth✭✭✭✭✭
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The biggest evil of the internet is you don't actually interact with a person. You don't see, you don't hear them. And sometimes there were no bad intentions, but badly written words that could cause all kinds of trouble.
In RL it would be enough to just look at the person and to know 40% of what he or she is all about. Avoid or connect. But alas, here, we are all shiny magical characters...
Best thing to do here is either to detach from the conversation, remove yourself from the toxic environment altogether or put on ignore list if that person is persistent.0 -
olda90✭✭✭Though i don’t tolerate how most PVE players end up being toxic elitists and stalkers i have to say that many new PVE players refuse to learn the way they should play and lack on improving becouse of their laziness or becouse they think to know it better even when evidence is showing the opposite, for an exp player having to deal with this gets annoying after some time.
On top of this most dedicated (and non) PVE players don’t really have any kind of loyalty or consideration towards who helps them or who is playing with them, only thing they have in mind is their own achievements and to reach the top, so this makes the whole community extremely wary even when there is no need.
Even though i have a TTT i don’t care about using dung finder or asking in craglorn becouse my way of having fun is also to chill/helping others without being elitist, toxic, mercenary. I can assure you that most ppl with a title (even an Immortal Redemer) wouldn’t even do a FG1 with randoms. If the group where i did TTT was one of the plenty crap places full of ego and no dignity i would had left them as i would leave any other TOP PRO GROUP that can clear anything on day 1. My integrity is much more worth then this, i’d rather play with randoms and be a noob instead of losing my mind.
If you still enjoy the game and believe in what your doing don’t let other ppl waste your good energies, becouse this place will never change.2 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Saying PvE is toxic is kind of casting a large net, isn’t it?
Are trading guilds toxic? Not in my experience.
Housing guilds? Again no.
RP guilds? Not really.
Social/leveling guilds? Nope.
Are people who are out questing toxic? Not that I have seen.
People doing antiquities? No.
Dolmen groups? No again.
World boss groups? I actually wish they would communicate more.
It seems like the complaint is for a specific type of pve, specifically pick up dungeon or trial groups. And the answer for if they are toxic is; “Sometimes, maybe.”1 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭Saying PvE is toxic is kind of casting a large net, isn’t it?
Are trading guilds toxic? Not in my experience.
Housing guilds? Again no.
RP guilds? Not really.
Social/leveling guilds? Nope.
Are people who are out questing toxic? Not that I have seen.
People doing antiquities? No.
Dolmen groups? No again.
World boss groups? I actually wish they would communicate more.
It seems like the complaint is for a specific type of pve, specifically pick up dungeon or trial groups. And the answer for if they are toxic is; “Sometimes, maybe.”
when we are talking about PVE we are talking about Player vs Enviroment and talking about PVP is Player vs Player. if u wanna go ahead and widen the spectrum with antiquities and RP we could consider RP even PVP.
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[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on May 31, 2020 3:25PM1 -
Ri_Khan✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've only come across this in trials and mostly just from the type of players that are pretty much living their lives in the game. There's a good reason the term "neckbeard" became a thing.0 -
bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Saying PvE is toxic is kind of casting a large net, isn’t it?
Are trading guilds toxic? Not in my experience.
Housing guilds? Again no.
RP guilds? Not really.
Social/leveling guilds? Nope.
Are people who are out questing toxic? Not that I have seen.
People doing antiquities? No.
Dolmen groups? No again.
World boss groups? I actually wish they would communicate more.
It seems like the complaint is for a specific type of pve, specifically pick up dungeon or trial groups. And the answer for if they are toxic is; “Sometimes, maybe.”
when we are talking about PVE we are talking about Player vs Enviroment and talking about PVP is Player vs Player. if u wanna go ahead and widen the spectrum with antiquities and RP we could consider RP even PVP.
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You keep editing your posts after people read them.
You added that second part to your OP long after you created the thread.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on May 31, 2020 3:36PM1 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭Saying PvE is toxic is kind of casting a large net, isn’t it?
Are trading guilds toxic? Not in my experience.
Housing guilds? Again no.
RP guilds? Not really.
Social/leveling guilds? Nope.
Are people who are out questing toxic? Not that I have seen.
People doing antiquities? No.
Dolmen groups? No again.
World boss groups? I actually wish they would communicate more.
It seems like the complaint is for a specific type of pve, specifically pick up dungeon or trial groups. And the answer for if they are toxic is; “Sometimes, maybe.”
when we are talking about PVE we are talking about Player vs Enviroment and talking about PVP is Player vs Player. if u wanna go ahead and widen the spectrum with antiquities and RP we could consider RP even PVP.
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[Quoted post was removed]
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You keep editing your posts after people read them.
You added that second part to your OP long after you created the thread.
thats true but i did it becouse i wanted to see the reactions and what ppl think themselves without making the connection to the other thread. call it curiousity.
and it should be clear by now that pve or pvp doesnt matter.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on May 31, 2020 3:37PM0 -
Erelah✭✭✭✭I found it quite interesting in the other thread how willing the PVE people were willing to insult and belittle strangers. They behaved in the exact same toxic way the other thread was complaining about. I naturally thought it was a social experiment on self awareness that the majority of the posters were failing.2 -
catnamedwill✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »"The male hierarchy revolves around Intimidation and Domination and Most PVEers went through the same beginning of 10k dps and were probably told to "Git Gud" as well and now they continue the cycle of toxicity when the bullied becomes the bully. They start winning and and now they think it is within their right to trash people the way they were trashed.
A lot of people channel their real-world anger into a fantasy world where they are able to be Top DPS for a change.
I think most violent acts are emulated behavior and people tend to recreate their trauma so rather than take it personal, I see it as a reflection of that person's environment. Anger is often misdirected bc people who are coping with trauma are often emotionally immature if they are trying to deny their ailments rather than name them and begin the healing process.
This is more of a general societal observation, This may just be how people act in PVE but MMO communities are no exception to this observation bc they are made up of real life people.
In short, don't take it personally, like I said, another person's anger rarely has anything to do with you unless you have personally done something to warrant it, that person had issues long before you came along."
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@MartiniDaniels Ouch
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Jayroo✭✭✭✭not hostile just.... IF YOU CANT GET AT LEAST 35K ON A 6M DUMMY AND WEAVE/DONT HAVE ACHIEVEMENT FOR ALL VET TRIALS YOU'RE A NOOB AND NEED TO UNINSTALL. thats it, not asking for much
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭catnamedwill wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »"The male hierarchy revolves around Intimidation and Domination and Most PVEers went through the same beginning of 10k dps and were probably told to "Git Gud" as well and now they continue the cycle of toxicity when the bullied becomes the bully. They start winning and and now they think it is within their right to trash people the way they were trashed.
A lot of people channel their real-world anger into a fantasy world where they are able to be Top DPS for a change.
I think most violent acts are emulated behavior and people tend to recreate their trauma so rather than take it personal, I see it as a reflection of that person's environment. Anger is often misdirected bc people who are coping with trauma are often emotionally immature if they are trying to deny their ailments rather than name them and begin the healing process.
This is more of a general societal observation, This may just be how people act in PVE but MMO communities are no exception to this observation bc they are made up of real life people.
In short, don't take it personally, like I said, another person's anger rarely has anything to do with you unless you have personally done something to warrant it, that person had issues long before you came along."
(c)
@MartiniDaniels Ouch
It was ctrl-c, ctrl-v from mirror thread, yes
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Noctus✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »catnamedwill wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »"The male hierarchy revolves around Intimidation and Domination and Most PVEers went through the same beginning of 10k dps and were probably told to "Git Gud" as well and now they continue the cycle of toxicity when the bullied becomes the bully. They start winning and and now they think it is within their right to trash people the way they were trashed.
A lot of people channel their real-world anger into a fantasy world where they are able to be Top DPS for a change.
I think most violent acts are emulated behavior and people tend to recreate their trauma so rather than take it personal, I see it as a reflection of that person's environment. Anger is often misdirected bc people who are coping with trauma are often emotionally immature if they are trying to deny their ailments rather than name them and begin the healing process.
This is more of a general societal observation, This may just be how people act in PVE but MMO communities are no exception to this observation bc they are made up of real life people.
In short, don't take it personally, like I said, another person's anger rarely has anything to do with you unless you have personally done something to warrant it, that person had issues long before you came along."
(c)
@MartiniDaniels Ouch
It was ctrl-c, ctrl-v from mirror thread, yes
its rly insightfull tho 0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Saying PvE is toxic is kind of casting a large net, isn’t it?
Are trading guilds toxic? Not in my experience.
Housing guilds? Again no.
RP guilds? Not really.
Social/leveling guilds? Nope.
Are people who are out questing toxic? Not that I have seen.
People doing antiquities? No.
Dolmen groups? No again.
World boss groups? I actually wish they would communicate more.
It seems like the complaint is for a specific type of pve, specifically pick up dungeon or trial groups. And the answer for if they are toxic is; “Sometimes, maybe.”
when we are talking about PVE we are talking about Player vs Enviroment and talking about PVP is Player vs Player. if u wanna go ahead and widen the spectrum with antiquities and RP we could consider RP even PVP.
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No.
First, you don’t get to redefine “pve” to fit your own narrative. Every time people go out into the environment and fight a npc entity, that’s pve.
Second, dungeon groups are rarely toxic. Usually it’s just non-communicative anonymous run. With nothing more then a “hello“ at best.
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[Edited to remove Baiting]
Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on May 31, 2020 3:29PM4 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »catnamedwill wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »"The male hierarchy revolves around Intimidation and Domination and Most PVEers went through the same beginning of 10k dps and were probably told to "Git Gud" as well and now they continue the cycle of toxicity when the bullied becomes the bully. They start winning and and now they think it is within their right to trash people the way they were trashed.
A lot of people channel their real-world anger into a fantasy world where they are able to be Top DPS for a change.
I think most violent acts are emulated behavior and people tend to recreate their trauma so rather than take it personal, I see it as a reflection of that person's environment. Anger is often misdirected bc people who are coping with trauma are often emotionally immature if they are trying to deny their ailments rather than name them and begin the healing process.
This is more of a general societal observation, This may just be how people act in PVE but MMO communities are no exception to this observation bc they are made up of real life people.
In short, don't take it personally, like I said, another person's anger rarely has anything to do with you unless you have personally done something to warrant it, that person had issues long before you came along."
(c)
@MartiniDaniels Ouch
It was ctrl-c, ctrl-v from mirror thread, yes
its rly insightfull tho
I think it is obvious to any non-biased person, that toxicity is not related to game mode, it is related to specific people and to their set of game rules.
For example, any more or less experienced player expects healer to use elemental drain (or another source of minor magickasteal) on boss. So even when group dps was good enough and from point of view of lazy healer, nobody died and his job is done, magicka dps which got 10% less dps then usual, is enraged. Now it comes question who of them is toxic - healer who doesn't perform his role properly, or dps who starts to swear on healer because he is used to have that elemental drain and lack of sustain screwed his rotation, despite group dps is more then enough and from side of healer and second (stamina) dps there is no issue. Answer is that BOTH are toxic. One because he doesn't do his job, and another because he puts so much self-esteem in his dps in pug, that he is ready to waste his energy and nerves on this quarrel.
Same in PVP, though it is more complex because there are no set rules.. somebody dislikes tanky builds, somebody dislikes roll-dodge builds, somebody dislikes gankers, somebody dislikes FotM runners, somebody dislikes zergs, somebody dislikes smallscalers, somebody dislikes 1vX-ers... all that dislike turns to t-bagging/whispers/emotes. But again there is a question - who is toxic - those who sent hate whisper, or those who over-react over that? Answer is same - BOTH are toxic. Because if player is in good mood and stable mental condition, any hate whispers in PVP or vote kicks in PVE will cause only LoL reaction.2 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ive had so many experiences with players straight up insulting me and my family just becouse something didnt work in the dungeon or trial. others allways seem to know it better even if its their first run. some ppl just straight up trolled the dungeon or if someone does 1 single mistake it results in kick or kick request by someone.
ive had multiple dungeons i join midway through as a tank and the team explains me that the previous tank insulted them and left them midway through and i can tell these guys werent incompetent just didnt know the mechanics and i ended up finishing the dungeon with them easily.
Edit:
im sure most ppl realized it but this thread is a simple reaction to this : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/530384/why-is-the-pvp-crowd-so-hostile-and-rude-to-each-other/p1
i want ppl to realize that it doesnt matter if its PVE or PVP there are allways gonna be people who has some mental issues demanding others to bend d knee for them and feel privilidged to treat others like dirt or letting their frustration out on others when their power fantasies are broken.
what we can do as community is first of all ignoring those ppl get inbetween and help the person whos beeing harassed.
Are you running just dungeons or are you doing competitive content with people who want a high score? Well, that could be your problem. Surprisingly enough people who are playing for fun/enjoyment usually don't freak out if a group wipes, or a new player hasn't got a clue about the boss mechanics. There are even people who actually get groups together to teach new players about what to do, so they can improve their skills.
The competitive wannasetarecord players will probably not be so forgiving because speed/points/records/leaderboard.....1 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭Saying PvE is toxic is kind of casting a large net, isn’t it?
Are trading guilds toxic? Not in my experience.
Housing guilds? Again no.
RP guilds? Not really.
Social/leveling guilds? Nope.
Are people who are out questing toxic? Not that I have seen.
People doing antiquities? No.
Dolmen groups? No again.
World boss groups? I actually wish they would communicate more.
It seems like the complaint is for a specific type of pve, specifically pick up dungeon or trial groups. And the answer for if they are toxic is; “Sometimes, maybe.”
when we are talking about PVE we are talking about Player vs Enviroment and talking about PVP is Player vs Player. if u wanna go ahead and widen the spectrum with antiquities and RP we could consider RP even PVP.
u wont find much toxicity in easy content(content in which u cant fail at all). it mostly appears when ppl get their image of beeing all powerfull shattered. which even can be the case when u are outperforming others in a dungeon.(like telling ur healer its ok if they go for a more dpsing build when u can healtank it)
No.
First, you don’t get to redefine “pve” to fit your own narrative. Every time people go out into the environment and fight a npc entity, that’s pve.
Second, dungeon groups are rarely toxic. Usually it’s just non-communicative anonymous run. With nothing more then a “hello“ at best.
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"Every time people go out into the enviroment and fight a npc, thats pve" ->>>>> i see that we agree thenEdited by ZOS_ConnorG on May 31, 2020 3:30PM0