why is the pvp crowd so hostile and rude to each other?

wolfbone

like my title says, why? you cant even make jokes without someone telling you to [Snip] off. why are they all so hostile and mean to each other? are we not meant to work together to get victory? and not waste our time slagging each other off for no reason? [Snip]

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Mancombe_Nosehair

Don't hold back. Tell them what you really think.

Sergykid

there is not a fair environment to display our pvp skills. High unbalance, not many game modes (either chaotic open world, either 4v4v4), lack of improvement potential (you don't get info on what's happening, or what happened). To get good in pvp there is needed a heavy amount of dedication and research. This drains energy and emotion. You remain a shell that struggles to be filled, so you become hostile and feral.

Snaggel

What did you expect from players that fight each other?

SteveCampsOut

wolfbone wrote: »

like my title says, why? you cant even make jokes without someone telling you to [Snip] off. why are they all so hostile and mean to each other? are we not meant to work together to get victory? and not waste our time slagging each other off for no reason? [Snip]
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Simple Truth. PVP attracts people who have anger issues.

Deathlord92

I actually love the salty whispers I get there like trophies 😭

Xargas13

Some people have anger problems, just ignore them. I do PvP constantly, and if someone complains, ignore them, let them starve. That's at least what I usually do, not always, and I am usually the friendliest MF around:)

And I think it is always like that in PvP, no matter the game, people get frustrated faster then in PvE, and that makes them act like a**holes. Not an excuse though, I guess manners die when you are behind the monitor....

Knightpanther

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

like my title says, why? you cant even make jokes without someone telling you to f*ck off. why are they all so hostile and mean to each other? are we not meant to work together to get victory? and not waste our time slagging each other off for no reason? seriously, eso pvp community is the worst on account of the toxic sods who show up.

Simple Truth. PVP attracts people who have anger issues.

Utter Crap.

Background: ive spent my life in hostile environments, im now pretty old and specialise in crowd management, security and psychology.
I have found the PvP community here on the whole to be amazing and the zone banter funny as hell.
On the other hand my experience of grouping for dungeons was littered with hot heads and folks hung up on dps meters.
That;s the community that needs to chill out.

Or we could just stop generalising and say you can get idiots on both sides with the majority pleasant and fun?

Be Safe

MartiniDaniels

There are a lot of unwritten rules in ESO PVP... if you break them, high chances people will go toxic. More then that, everybody has his own version of this rules

Josira

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

like my title says, why? you cant even make jokes without someone telling you to [Snip] off. why are they all so hostile and mean to each other? are we not meant to work together to get victory? and not waste our time slagging each other off for no reason? [Snip]
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Simple Truth. PVP attracts people who have anger issues.

this^^
I once said something in zone chat in astonishment about getting hit by 14k overload light attacks,in well
just amazement that a sorc gank build existed
wasnt anything agressive
but had a bunch of people instantly reply with "Learn to play" and "its a learn to play issue"
Like
Ok??
Dont know what me complimenting and saying something in amazement had to do with those replys but sure buddy.
Its often the most toxic people that are the most vocal
I remember experiences back on console that kickstarted my social anxiety and fear of talking.

xXMeowMeowXx

Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »

Don't hold back. Tell them what you really think.

This killed part of my tiny black heart 🖤 thnx!!

Bashev

If you dont receive salty whispers, then you should improve your PvP level. It is more like acknowledgment that you did good.

xXMeowMeowXx

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

like my title says, why? you cant even make jokes without someone telling you to [Snip] off. why are they all so hostile and mean to each other? are we not meant to work together to get victory? and not waste our time slagging each other off for no reason? [Snip]
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Simple Truth. PVP attracts people who have anger issues.

Nah, that’s PvErs

PvPers are usually low-key peeps

Curtdogg47

EP Xbox one NA gray host! If they spent half the time playing as they do talking they win the campaign by lot!

I think AD and DC just wait until EP starts fighting the text war and then slowly takes the map!

robertthebard

Because it's the internet, and the technology to be able to reach through the monitor and slap the taste out of someone's mouth hasn't been invented yet.

VaranisArano

Just because we are meant to work together for victory doesn't mean we will.

Wait, am I talking about PVPers or random dungeon groups?

Tandor

Knightpanther wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

like my title says, why? you cant even make jokes without someone telling you to f*ck off. why are they all so hostile and mean to each other? are we not meant to work together to get victory? and not waste our time slagging each other off for no reason? seriously, eso pvp community is the worst on account of the toxic sods who show up.

Simple Truth. PVP attracts people who have anger issues.

Utter Crap.

Background: ive spent my life in hostile environments, im now pretty old and specialise in crowd management, security and psychology.
I have found the PvP community here on the whole to be amazing and the zone banter funny as hell.
On the other hand my experience of grouping for dungeons was littered with hot heads and folks hung up on dps meters.
That;s the community that needs to chill out.

Or we could just stop generalising and say you can get idiots on both sides with the majority pleasant and fun?

Be Safe

Any competitive setting brings out both the best and the worst in people, as I imagine you will have discovered in your time in "hostile environments". There is certainly an element of anger issues and also maturity issues in such settings, but there are plenty of good-natured aspects as well, including humour.

This mixture of "best and worst in people" has never been more apparent than in the current Covid crisis, where there are plenty of examples of selfish idiocy and unpleasantness, but even more examples of selfless kindness to others.

robertthebard

Tandor wrote: »

Knightpanther wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

like my title says, why? you cant even make jokes without someone telling you to f*ck off. why are they all so hostile and mean to each other? are we not meant to work together to get victory? and not waste our time slagging each other off for no reason? seriously, eso pvp community is the worst on account of the toxic sods who show up.

Simple Truth. PVP attracts people who have anger issues.

Utter Crap.

Background: ive spent my life in hostile environments, im now pretty old and specialise in crowd management, security and psychology.
I have found the PvP community here on the whole to be amazing and the zone banter funny as hell.
On the other hand my experience of grouping for dungeons was littered with hot heads and folks hung up on dps meters.
That;s the community that needs to chill out.

Or we could just stop generalising and say you can get idiots on both sides with the majority pleasant and fun?

Be Safe

Any competitive setting brings out both the best and the worst in people, as I imagine you will have discovered in your time in "hostile environments". There is certainly an element of anger issues and also maturity issues in such settings, but there are plenty of good-natured aspects as well, including humour.

This mixture of "best and worst in people" has never been more apparent than in the current Covid crisis, where there are plenty of examples of selfish idiocy and unpleasantness, but even more examples of selfless kindness to others.

I saw a lot of this in Aion. My favorite thing was a rivalry between my ranger and an Elyos ranger. We hunted each other mercilessly most of the time, but one day I was right on the brink of a new tier in AP, and it kept changing ranks depending on whether I was winning or losing fights. I came over a rise to engage him and found he'd set up a shop that said "Go to the Abyss and grind out some AP, you're making me dizzy".

kyle.wilson

The most toxic guild I've been in was an end game trials guild.

Glurin

PvP encourages you to be an ***. That's just it's nature. The entire, core goal of PvP is to ruin somebody else's day. This can be tempered with some honor and good sportsmanship, but there's a lot of people attracted to it that just don't understand the concept.

PvE has it's share as well though. A lot of people are attracted to it that don't understand the concept of immersion or not obsessing over damage meters. This creates friction in group environments when someone isn't strictly adhering to the meta approved build or method. The main difference is PvE generally doesn't actively encourage such behavior by it's nature. It's entirely player driven.

Yuke

Its mostly frustration about the performance that has to be ventilated.

grkkll

I've had a lot more aggro in pugs, far far worse than any PVP excursions

mavfin

That's standard PvP crowd. Largely (not completely) made up of insecure people with chips on their shoulders and something to prove.

Abyssmol

Bashev wrote: »

If you dont receive salty whispers, then you should improve your PvP level. It is more like acknowledgment that you did good.

This is very true. If you don't get insulted and tbag in pvp, you are not doing a good job killing other players lol. We have a lot of sore losers in ESO...

D0PAMINE

I enjoy chatting with a lot of people in the PvP community. There are some really chill people.

Kiralyn2000

Tandor wrote: »

Any competitive setting brings out both the best and the worst in people...

And that includes PvE environments (like leaderboards, and "gotta top the DPS chart" people, and progression/'world-first' raiding). The difference is that there's also plenty of non-competitive PvE, while all of PvP (by definition) is competitive.

rexagamemnon

elitism and childish people can't stand being beat

Darkenarlol

sublimated testosterone wars for dominance

Syrusthevirus187

It's because snipe exists

RedTalon

nm

doomette

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

EP Xbox one NA gray host! If they spent half the time playing as they do talking they win the campaign by lot!

I think AD and DC just wait until EP starts fighting the text war and then slowly takes the map!

Hmm, I don’t know about DC using that tactic, because they’re usually too busy PVPing in zone chat too. Bless their hearts 🙄 There are a couple of people who seem to actively try to promote more civility but usually it’s just the silliest, pettiest squabbles.