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✭✭✭✭✭Working as intended.
Intended to give players something to do and find.
Expecting to get it fully leveled and find everything in 10 minutes is niave.
If you hate it so much.....dont do it. There is nothing in the antiquity system that you absolutley need.Beta tester November 20132 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Antiquities are a huge time sink that was introduced as a time sink. It is ok for it to be grindy, since it is what it came to be.
I won't salt about the arena part though, u have enough from me in other threads
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Darkhorse1975✭✭✭✭✭If you tried playing the system the way its intended to be played, you might Seemoor.Master Craftsman!1 -
SebDeTyra✭✭✭I'm actually really enjoying antiquities, it shouldn't be something you can complete in a day.
The game performance ,however, i am not enjoying. This was meant to be a performance patch and it's worse than ever......3 -
GeorgeYung✭✭I think the opposite, we not just got a cool skill line you have to grind out, also a nice income option, that actually makes more money than stealing.
I think it's fine, and I am very suprised how well it fit's into the game. I am glad they added it, it's a nice addition that I'll enjoy from time to time in the far future as well2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
Finished mine up this morning and hunted down the rings. If you focus on just grinding it out, it's not terrible. I did 1-10 in Eyevea, low population, no aggro. Toss on Cowards and show us the meaning of haste
@Munkfist
I finished it up a few hours ago. Now to figure out how to farm leads for the Mythics. Not having much luck in public dungeons. Got one purple in about an hour. Lots of bosses and chests. Only thing I got came from the group event.
Each Mythic lead drops from a specific zone + area.
Inklings put up a really handy spreadsheet in Saucy's thread. definitely worth looking through, there's a ton of info.
I've had some leads drop on the first boss in a public dungeon, some that took 10-15 kills to get it, just rng there, I believe
@Munkfist
You are correct. I figured that out after about an hour and a half of farming a few random public dungeons. Haha. Once I pointed the mythic item farm in the right direction, it wasnt too bad. I got 2/5 pieces for the hunt ring in about an hour late last night. I was literally killing the world boss for the second one as the clock hit for the servers to go down. Got a lead right as time expired.
I dont hate the system in it of itself, and I wont lie that the mini game for the harder stuff has grown on me a bit, but the grind to level the system was pretty darn painful. The minigames are basically button mashing purple and below, and you need to do a freaking lot of them to get to 10. Sure not what is intented, but its the reality of what a lot of people are going to do. I am here for end game PVP and PVE. If there are BIS items, I will grind them as will a lot of folks.
For those that havent leveled it yet and are only interested in the mythics. I would probably stop powerleveling around 9 or so and start farming gold leads for the items.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on May 28, 2020 5:48PM0 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Anyone coin this term yet?
I thought the psijic line was bad, but this is the grindiest patch to date. Antiquities are the worst grind I have ever seen. It also feels like I am playing a Mini-Game that was developed in the late 90's for a palm pilot or something.
If that wasnt bad enough, vet players, please go regrind the arenas you have already run hundreds of times. I feel like this patch has taken a big step backwards. Carry on.
If it is a grind don't do it. Go do something fun instead.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Anyone coin this term yet?
I thought the psijic line was bad, but this is the grindiest patch to date. Antiquities are the worst grind I have ever seen. It also feels like I am playing a Mini-Game that was developed in the late 90's for a palm pilot or something.
If that wasnt bad enough, vet players, please go regrind the arenas you have already run hundreds of times. I feel like this patch has taken a big step backwards. Carry on.
If it is a grind don't do it. Go do something fun instead.
You mean like play end game PVP/PVE with the cool new items they hid behind the grind? Haha.
The grind is done. I am calling it what it was. A pretty darn painful grind. People act like I have no idea how this game works. I know MMOs are grindy, but some are more fun and engaging than others. I have been playing ESO since Beta and have 18 max level toons. I have been playing turn based RPGs since the 80s. I get how it works.
This grind in particular is two mini games. Minigames that are so trivial you can almost do them with your eyes closed. You can scry anything purple and below without even looking at it, just put 3 of your hex spells in the exact same place to start, and use 3-4 turns to connect them. The only remotely challenging game is gold and above excavating, but half of the reason its challenging is that the tool skills arent consistent.
Yes it's an MMO, yes there is going to be a hamster wheel of one form or another. Doesnt mean we cant call them out when they put out content that is artificially extended to require an excessive amount of grinding. I would have preferred they cut the leveling requirements by about 50%, and I would prefer more variation in the games. It wouldnt feel so bad if didnt half to do like 200 of them to start doing the interesting ones. I also think they are very half-assed in terms of the visual appeal. This is one of the best looking games I have ever seen, and this feels like something for an old console or worse.5 -
mikejezz✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I also think they are very half-assed in terms of the visual appeal. This is one of the best looking games I have ever seen, and this feels like something for an old console or worse.
Well, technically the game is for an old console.
The scrying thing looks pretty Sci fi though. Doesn't match the rest.
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Anyone coin this term yet?
I thought the psijic line was bad, but this is the grindiest patch to date. Antiquities are the worst grind I have ever seen. It also feels like I am playing a Mini-Game that was developed in the late 90's for a palm pilot or something.
If that wasnt bad enough, vet players, please go regrind the arenas you have already run hundreds of times. I feel like this patch has taken a big step backwards. Carry on.
If it is a grind don't do it. Go do something fun instead.
You mean like play end game PVP/PVE with the cool new items they hid behind the grind? Haha.
The grind is done. I am calling it what it was. A pretty darn painful grind. People act like I have no idea how this game works. I know MMOs are grindy, but some are more fun and engaging than others. I have been playing ESO since Beta and have 18 max level toons. I have been playing turn based RPGs since the 80s. I get how it works.
This grind in particular is two mini games. Minigames that are so trivial you can almost do them with your eyes closed. You can scry anything purple and below without even looking at it, just put 3 of your hex spells in the exact same place to start, and use 3-4 turns to connect them. The only remotely challenging game is gold and above excavating, but half of the reason its challenging is that the tool skills arent consistent.
Yes it's an MMO, yes there is going to be a hamster wheel of one form or another. Doesnt mean we cant call them out when they put out content that is artificially extended to require an excessive amount of grinding. I would have preferred they cut the leveling requirements by about 50%, and I would prefer more variation in the games. It wouldnt feel so bad if didnt half to do like 200 of them to start doing the interesting ones. I also think they are very half-assed in terms of the visual appeal. This is one of the best looking games I have ever seen, and this feels like something for an old console or worse.
Or without the cool new items. Whatever you find fun. Fish if you want. Run around doing screen shots of wildlife if you think that is fun. If something is getting to be a grind take a break and do something else.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I also think they are very half-assed in terms of the visual appeal. This is one of the best looking games I have ever seen, and this feels like something for an old console or worse.
Well, technically the game is for an old console.
The scrying thing looks pretty Sci fi though. Doesn't match the rest.
@mikejezz
Yeah, I will admit, that it looks more futuristic than the excavation does. What it really is is just a tile/puzzle game that you see on a lot of mobile devices these days (which clearly, a lot of people seem to love).
Part of me thinks they gave way too many tools in the skill tree that simplifies it to the point of absurdity. Not exaggerating when I say you can clear any purple below in under 10 seconds. Any blue and below, you dont even need to see the pieces. The same 4-6 moves ALWAYS clear it. The other part of me is thankful they made it easy because if you are going to just grind it out, well at least its faster. That logic might not hold though. For example, I would much rather run VMA 10 times than normal MA if the rewards were the same.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on May 28, 2020 8:21PM0 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Working as intended.
Intended to give players something to do and find.
Expecting to get it fully leveled and find everything in 10 minutes is niave.
If you hate it so much.....dont do it. There is nothing in the antiquity system that you absolutley need.
There is nothing in the whole game that you absolutely need, so that is a spurious argument, really.0 -
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✭✭✭Personally, I don't mind the scrying part, it's the running around an area the size of a city, trying to find a sparkly piece of dirt, while being attacked by random mobs, part I can't stand.0 -
Deter1UK✭✭✭✭✭Personally, I don't mind the scrying part, it's the running around an area the size of a city, trying to find a sparkly piece of dirt, while being attacked by random mobs, part I can't stand.
One I discovered that you can quick slot the scrying eye and get a glowing comet that points you in the right direction the whole search thing became quite rapid and much less painless1 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Personally, I don't mind the scrying part, it's the running around an area the size of a city, trying to find a sparkly piece of dirt, while being attacked by random mobs, part I can't stand.
One I discovered that you can quick slot the scrying eye and get a glowing comet that points you in the right direction the whole search thing became quite rapid and much less painless
Oh interesting - thank you. 0 -
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✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Anyone coin this term yet?
I thought the psijic line was bad, but this is the grindiest patch to date. Antiquities are the worst grind I have ever seen. It also feels like I am playing a Mini-Game that was developed in the late 90's for a palm pilot or something.
If that wasnt bad enough, vet players, please go regrind the arenas you have already run hundreds of times. I feel like this patch has taken a big step backwards. Carry on.
Lol, you've obviously never done Master Fisher. You don't know from grinding.PC NA, PC EU
"Instead of taking the best of the dolmens (predictable rotation), the best of the geysers (scalability based on number of players), and the best of the dragons (map location and health indicators) and adding them together to make a fun and dynamic world event scenario, they gave us....... harrowstorms." https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6850523/#Comment_68505230 -
xF1REFL1x✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Anyone coin this term yet?
I thought the psijic line was bad, but this is the grindiest patch to date. Antiquities are the worst grind I have ever seen. It also feels like I am playing a Mini-Game that was developed in the late 90's for a palm pilot or something.
If that wasnt bad enough, vet players, please go regrind the arenas you have already run hundreds of times. I feel like this patch has taken a big step backwards. Carry on.
Lol... I will not regrind VMA... good thing the inferno staff is not needed for pve.0 -
Ozby✭✭✭✭✭I'm actually enjoying it but I also do not see any reason to do it on my alt toons at this stage. Sure the chest glow is nice but really needed either.Edited by Ozby on May 29, 2020 2:15AMPC NA
Aurora Bravepaw (Healden), Basks in Fire (DKTank), Bran Artlion (Magplar), Brindel Seedthorne (Stamden WW), Brugo Gargak (Stamcro), Casimir Delmar (StamDK), Falco Bastion (Stamsorc), Fus Ro Dah (Stamplar), Gandalff the Gay (Petsorc), Jo-Qinan Betula (Magden), Laveera Hex (Magcro), Raine Whitestag (Stamden), Raised by Bears (Wardentank), Ralak Rotheart (Healcro), Selene Sunshadow MagDK), Shadow Mirage (NBTank), Slythe Rattlebone (Healplar), Ulfnor Dragonslayer (Tankcro).0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheRealPotoroo wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Anyone coin this term yet?
I thought the psijic line was bad, but this is the grindiest patch to date. Antiquities are the worst grind I have ever seen. It also feels like I am playing a Mini-Game that was developed in the late 90's for a palm pilot or something.
If that wasnt bad enough, vet players, please go regrind the arenas you have already run hundreds of times. I feel like this patch has taken a big step backwards. Carry on.
Lol, you've obviously never done Master Fisher. You don't know from grinding.
@TheRealPotoroo
Ha! I have started it like 3 times then said no way. Huge difference though as there is no potentially BIS gear gated behind master angler.0 -
DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭This is certainly not the most grindy thing in any mmo ever, but for eso it is undoubtedly the worst necessary grind in the game. Sure, one could argue that if you aren't in end game PvE you don't need anything. But even so, the only worse grinds are possibly Cadwells silver/gold, fencing items, and Master Angler. All of which offer nothing of value to affecting gameplay, simply cosmetics or titles.
The biggest thing is that, from my experience, I have never known any game to make current gear obsolete by simply moving it to other content. When new items come out, yes gear becomes obsolete. But what a spit in the face of players who have worked hard to beat veteran arenas only to have that gear become available in a significantly easier piece of content and to have to regrind for their weapon. Personally, I won't be regrinding since they don't make that big a difference. I also don't really struggle to beat the arenas on veteran, but I also don't enjoy doing them for the thousandth time. Because they aren't new content.
But back on topic, Antiquities were cool for like the first level. But then it not only became repetitive, but trivial and annoying. Lots of work for almost no reward whatsoever. The gold from selling them leveling up was about the only positive experience I'd say I had. Especially since the only reason I was even doing it was for an item that's currently bugged and unable to obtain. What a dumpster fire.
Brodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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robertthebard✭✭✭✭✭MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Anyone coin this term yet?
I thought the psijic line was bad, but this is the grindiest patch to date. Antiquities are the worst grind I have ever seen. It also feels like I am playing a Mini-Game that was developed in the late 90's for a palm pilot or something.
If that wasnt bad enough, vet players, please go regrind the arenas you have already run hundreds of times. I feel like this patch has taken a big step backwards. Carry on.
Every MMO I have played has some type of grind. As for grinding content again for gear welcome to MMOs where the devs may adjust or add gear to older content to get players to run older content.
Which other major MMO buffed gear in 4 1/2+ years old content and expected its players to regrind the weapons they already earned? I could be wrong, but I can’t think of an instance where this happened in a another major MMO.
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✭shaielzafine wrote: »Is it actually worse than Psijic skill line? I literally took more than a year to finish that one, way after Elsweyr launch lol. I saw some streamers dig stuff up and they seemed frustrated at some of the rng.
And you're right about the state of the game + vMA regrind. Let's do cp170 gear at this point, maybe every couple patches increase ilevel. Or introduce perfected monster masks to work on after their nerfs.
Yep they will make a perfected monster helm that has the bonus of being pre Nerf text. But they will make it a .1% drop rate and it can't be traded! Lol this game is a joke and will definitely die off once ps5 launches and it has other MMOs besides just ff14 (at least for console)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So I got my first Mythic Item. Holy cow is gold Excavation bugged. There is clearly a desync between the image of the chest and the shimmering aura (which is what actually needs uncovered). I have had the chest clearly uncovered and had it fail. I have had it where the auger puts a yellow square directly in the middle of the chest. I have had them succeed with half the chest still covered but the aura was uncovered.
So not only is the excavating downright laughable in terms of its gameplay and graphics appeal, it doesnt even work correctly.1
