Pay to win?
Steev_z
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Since the malacath ring of brutality happened...
Has No-cp pvp become pay to win with this item?
In my honest opinion it did....
Has No-cp pvp become pay to win with this item?
In my honest opinion it did....
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
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If being able to buy skill points and skill lines in the cash shop didn't set off your alarm bells already, well...
I have no words, frankly.10 -
MEBengalsFan2001✭✭✭✭✭Since the malacath ring of brutality happened...
Has No-cp pvp become pay to win with this item?
In my honest opinion it did....
LMAO...ESO is not pay to win. Pay to win games require the items to be sold directly in the market place to offer said advantage or have a very easy way for players to convert real currency to game currency (without any chance of being ripped off) to acquire items quickly and easily.
ESO game design is pay to play.14 -
LukosCreyden✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.
"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.Struggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.9 -
JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nope, it sure isn't.
As an edit:
And win what, exactly?
PvP? I mean, what's to win? you capture keeps to get a title.
PvE? What do you win? More gear for your character?
What exactly is this "win" part?Edited by JD2013 on May 27, 2020 5:50PMSweetrolls for all!
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Steev_z✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.
"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.
Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?0 -
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✭We knew on PTS the ring wasn’t gonna be meta so no. Duel someone wearing the ring than duel that same player without. Tell me if you notice a difference.Edited by Fur_like_snow on May 27, 2020 5:48PM0 -
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✭LukosCreyden wrote: »Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.
"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.
Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?
By that logic ANY mmo that offers an expansion is p2w.IGN: Ki'rah
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scorpius2k1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh come on everyone, It's "Pay To Advance" we have to make sure and get the right play on words to justify pay mechanisms that shouldn't be there in the first place.
I don't care what anyone says, it's just another form of P2W.
The game is designed to intentionally annoy a player enough that they would rather not repeat content and just buy it outright to skip it. It's one reason why my forum signature says what it does.
Just your normal scammy and shady business tactics folks, nothing else here to see:
Create a problem, sell the solution.
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LukosCreyden✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Steev_z if you're playing an MMO and not buying any of the new DLC's or Chapters... what are you really doing? Does it even matter at that point? Would such a player even care in the first place?
You buy new content to get new stuff and experience new stuff. If that stuff isn't worth getting and experiencing, why bother?
Also, why does it seem like this needs to be explained EVERY time new content is released?Struggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.2 -
Steev_z✭✭scorpius2k1 wrote: »Oh come on everyone, It's "Pay To Advance" we have to make sure and get the right play on words to justify pay mechanisms that shouldn't be there in the first place.
I don't care what anyone says, it's just another form of P2W.
The game is designed to intentionally annoy a player enough that they would rather not repeat content and just buy it outright to skip it.
Just your normal scammy and shady business tactics folks, nothing else here to see:
Create a problem, sell the solution.
Finally someone who uses his brain lol. How far gone are the people who claim this is not P2W.3 -
Steev_z✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.
"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.
Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?
By that logic ANY mmo that offers an expansion is p2w.
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Steev_z✭✭FYI to make things worse players who PAID for this content now have to PAY again to get their item. This is getting a bit out of hand y'all just saying.0
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LukosCreyden✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.
"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.
Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?
By that logic ANY mmo that offers an expansion is p2w.
Yes
You guys MAY be playing the wrong genre.
Imagine how unfulfilling the game would be if EVERY new class, gear item, skill line etc was worse than what the base game offered. All to avoid the (misused) "p2w" label.
That would be a VERY good way to kill off most incentive to buy DLC/expansions.Struggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.1 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If an expansion having useful equipment in it is "pay 2 win", then every game that's ever released an expansion fits that definition.
And if an expansion can't have any useful equipment (to avoid "p2w"), then why would anyone buy it?0 -
Steev_z✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »LukosCreyden wrote: »Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.
"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.
Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?
By that logic ANY mmo that offers an expansion is p2w.
Yes
You guys MAY be playing the wrong genre.
Imagine how unfulfilling the game would be if EVERY new class, gear item, skill line etc was worse than what the base game offered. All to avoid the (misused) "p2w" label.
That would be a VERY good way to kill off most incentive to buy DLC/expansions.
If I buy a game I want to be able to get all content. Or is that a bit too much asked these days XD I guess so...0 -
Steev_z✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »If an expansion having useful equipment in it is "pay 2 win", then every game that's ever released an expansion fits that definition.
And if an expansion can't have any useful equipment (to avoid "p2w"), then why would anyone buy it?
There is a difference between playing to get better and a pure cash grab.0 -
Steev_z✭✭Fur_like_snow wrote: »We knew on PTS the ring wasn’t gonna be meta so no. Duel someone wearing the ring than duel that same player without. Tell me if you notice a difference.
Also in no cp pvp?0 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »If an expansion having useful equipment in it is "pay 2 win", then every game that's ever released an expansion fits that definition.
And if an expansion can't have any useful equipment (to avoid "p2w"), then why would anyone buy it?
There is a difference between playing to get better and a pure cash grab.
And that difference is called "subjective opinion".0 -
CASP3R421✭✭✭im pretty sure people are [snip] that the ring is BiS OP for non cp pvp on some classes, by a large amount. if you still sub to this game you shouldnt expect balanced combat tho. just ERP and try not to get any on your monitor
[Edited for Censor Bypass]Edited by Psiion on May 27, 2020 7:41PM
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✭✭✭✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »LukosCreyden wrote: »Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.
"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.
Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?
By that logic ANY mmo that offers an expansion is p2w.
Yes
You guys MAY be playing the wrong genre.
Imagine how unfulfilling the game would be if EVERY new class, gear item, skill line etc was worse than what the base game offered. All to avoid the (misused) "p2w" label.
That would be a VERY good way to kill off most incentive to buy DLC/expansions.
If I buy a game I want to be able to get all content. Or is that a bit too much asked these days XD I guess so...
Nah, just play games like Terraria. It's been out for almost ten years, costs maybe ten bucks, and all the content updates have been 100% free.0 -
Steev_z✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »LukosCreyden wrote: »Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.
"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.
Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?
By that logic ANY mmo that offers an expansion is p2w.
Yes
You guys MAY be playing the wrong genre.
Imagine how unfulfilling the game would be if EVERY new class, gear item, skill line etc was worse than what the base game offered. All to avoid the (misused) "p2w" label.
That would be a VERY good way to kill off most incentive to buy DLC/expansions.
If I buy a game I want to be able to get all content. Or is that a bit too much asked these days XD I guess so...
Nah, just play games like Terraria. It's been out for almost ten years, costs maybe ten bucks, and all the content updates have been 100% free.
It just shows the intentions of these makers imo.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.
"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.
Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?
Then everything is pay to win since you had to buy the game in the first place.
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Steev_z✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »@Steev_z if you're playing an MMO and not buying any of the new DLC's or Chapters... what are you really doing? Does it even matter at that point? Would such a player even care in the first place?
You buy new content to get new stuff and experience new stuff. If that stuff isn't worth getting and experiencing, why bother?
Also, why does it seem like this needs to be explained EVERY time new content is released?
Why I care? I have been playing no cp pvp for years now. And suddenly I have to give IRL money to get better. What do you not understand?0 -
Steev_z✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.
"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.
Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?
Then everything is pay to win since you had to buy the game in the first place.
That argument holds no water.
Yes i paid to get this game. The point is I don't want to pay twice
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jadarock✭✭✭✭✭MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Since the malacath ring of brutality happened...
Has No-cp pvp become pay to win with this item?
In my honest opinion it did....
LMAO...ESO is not pay to win. Pay to win games require the items to be sold directly in the market place to offer said advantage or have a very easy way for players to convert real currency to game currency (without any chance of being ripped off) to acquire items quickly and easily.
ESO game design is pay to play.
It's most definitely pay for an advantage...0 -
CASP3R421✭✭✭the good news here is that pvp is broken af even without this ring, and shouldnt be played by anyone
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