Pay to win?

Steev_z

Since the malacath ring of brutality happened...
Has No-cp pvp become pay to win with this item?
In my honest opinion it did....

Starlock

. . .

If being able to buy skill points and skill lines in the cash shop didn't set off your alarm bells already, well...

I have no words, frankly.

MEBengalsFan2001

Steev_z wrote: »

Since the malacath ring of brutality happened...
Has No-cp pvp become pay to win with this item?
In my honest opinion it did....

LMAO...ESO is not pay to win. Pay to win games require the items to be sold directly in the market place to offer said advantage or have a very easy way for players to convert real currency to game currency (without any chance of being ripped off) to acquire items quickly and easily.

ESO game design is pay to play.

LukosCreyden

Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.

"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.

AlnilamE

Black Desert Online is that way if you want to see an eternal money sink -->

JD2013

Nope, it sure isn't.

As an edit:

And win what, exactly?

PvP? I mean, what's to win? you capture keeps to get a title.

PvE? What do you win? More gear for your character?

What exactly is this "win" part?

Steev_z

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.

"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.

Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?

Fur_like_snow

We knew on PTS the ring wasn’t gonna be meta so no. Duel someone wearing the ring than duel that same player without. Tell me if you notice a difference.

jircris11

AlnilamE wrote: »

Black Desert Online is that way if you want to see an eternal money sink -->

Dear god don't remind me if that money funnel.

jircris11

Steev_z wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.

"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.

Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?

By that logic ANY mmo that offers an expansion is p2w.

scorpius2k1

Oh come on everyone, It's "Pay To Advance" we have to make sure and get the right play on words to justify pay mechanisms that shouldn't be there in the first place.

I don't care what anyone says, it's just another form of P2W.

The game is designed to intentionally annoy a player enough that they would rather not repeat content and just buy it outright to skip it. It's one reason why my forum signature says what it does.

Just your normal scammy and shady business tactics folks, nothing else here to see:
Create a problem, sell the solution.


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LukosCreyden

@Steev_z if you're playing an MMO and not buying any of the new DLC's or Chapters... what are you really doing? Does it even matter at that point? Would such a player even care in the first place?

You buy new content to get new stuff and experience new stuff. If that stuff isn't worth getting and experiencing, why bother?

Also, why does it seem like this needs to be explained EVERY time new content is released?

Steev_z

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

Oh come on everyone, It's "Pay To Advance" we have to make sure and get the right play on words to justify pay mechanisms that shouldn't be there in the first place.

I don't care what anyone says, it's just another form of P2W.

The game is designed to intentionally annoy a player enough that they would rather not repeat content and just buy it outright to skip it.

Just your normal scammy and shady business tactics folks, nothing else here to see:
Create a problem, sell the solution.

Finally someone who uses his brain lol. How far gone are the people who claim this is not P2W.

Steev_z

jircris11 wrote: »

Steev_z wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.

"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.

Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?

By that logic ANY mmo that offers an expansion is p2w.

Yes

Steev_z

FYI to make things worse players who PAID for this content now have to PAY again to get their item. This is getting a bit out of hand y'all just saying.

LukosCreyden

Steev_z wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Steev_z wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.

"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.

Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?

By that logic ANY mmo that offers an expansion is p2w.

Yes

You guys MAY be playing the wrong genre.
Imagine how unfulfilling the game would be if EVERY new class, gear item, skill line etc was worse than what the base game offered. All to avoid the (misused) "p2w" label.
That would be a VERY good way to kill off most incentive to buy DLC/expansions.

Kiralyn2000

If an expansion having useful equipment in it is "pay 2 win", then every game that's ever released an expansion fits that definition.

And if an expansion can't have any useful equipment (to avoid "p2w"), then why would anyone buy it?

Steev_z

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Steev_z wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Steev_z wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.

"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.

Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?

By that logic ANY mmo that offers an expansion is p2w.

Yes

You guys MAY be playing the wrong genre.
Imagine how unfulfilling the game would be if EVERY new class, gear item, skill line etc was worse than what the base game offered. All to avoid the (misused) "p2w" label.
That would be a VERY good way to kill off most incentive to buy DLC/expansions.

If I buy a game I want to be able to get all content. Or is that a bit too much asked these days XD I guess so...

Steev_z

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

If an expansion having useful equipment in it is "pay 2 win", then every game that's ever released an expansion fits that definition.

And if an expansion can't have any useful equipment (to avoid "p2w"), then why would anyone buy it?

There is a difference between playing to get better and a pure cash grab.

Steev_z

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

We knew on PTS the ring wasn’t gonna be meta so no. Duel someone wearing the ring than duel that same player without. Tell me if you notice a difference.

Also in no cp pvp?

Kiralyn2000

Steev_z wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

If an expansion having useful equipment in it is "pay 2 win", then every game that's ever released an expansion fits that definition.

And if an expansion can't have any useful equipment (to avoid "p2w"), then why would anyone buy it?

There is a difference between playing to get better and a pure cash grab.

And that difference is called "subjective opinion".

CASP3R421

im pretty sure people are [snip] that the ring is BiS OP for non cp pvp on some classes, by a large amount. if you still sub to this game you shouldnt expect balanced combat tho. just ERP and try not to get any on your monitor

[Edited for Censor Bypass]

Starlock

Steev_z wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Steev_z wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Steev_z wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.

"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.

Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?

By that logic ANY mmo that offers an expansion is p2w.

Yes

You guys MAY be playing the wrong genre.
Imagine how unfulfilling the game would be if EVERY new class, gear item, skill line etc was worse than what the base game offered. All to avoid the (misused) "p2w" label.
That would be a VERY good way to kill off most incentive to buy DLC/expansions.

If I buy a game I want to be able to get all content. Or is that a bit too much asked these days XD I guess so...

Nah, just play games like Terraria. It's been out for almost ten years, costs maybe ten bucks, and all the content updates have been 100% free.

Steev_z

Starlock wrote: »

Steev_z wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Steev_z wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Steev_z wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.

"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.

Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?

By that logic ANY mmo that offers an expansion is p2w.

Yes

You guys MAY be playing the wrong genre.
Imagine how unfulfilling the game would be if EVERY new class, gear item, skill line etc was worse than what the base game offered. All to avoid the (misused) "p2w" label.
That would be a VERY good way to kill off most incentive to buy DLC/expansions.

If I buy a game I want to be able to get all content. Or is that a bit too much asked these days XD I guess so...

Nah, just play games like Terraria. It's been out for almost ten years, costs maybe ten bucks, and all the content updates have been 100% free.

It just shows the intentions of these makers imo.

Steev_z

The ring is P2W for No cp pvp get over it.

Rake

pay to win

tmbrinks

Steev_z wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.

"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.

Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?

Then everything is pay to win since you had to buy the game in the first place.

That argument holds no water.

Steev_z

LukosCreyden wrote: »

@Steev_z if you're playing an MMO and not buying any of the new DLC's or Chapters... what are you really doing? Does it even matter at that point? Would such a player even care in the first place?

You buy new content to get new stuff and experience new stuff. If that stuff isn't worth getting and experiencing, why bother?

Also, why does it seem like this needs to be explained EVERY time new content is released?

Why I care? I have been playing no cp pvp for years now. And suddenly I have to give IRL money to get better. What do you not understand?

Steev_z

tmbrinks wrote: »

Steev_z wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Every expansion, somebody says "X" new content is pay to win.
Also, every expansion, people need to have the concept of pay to win explained to them.

"Pay to Win" would be if I could by an OP weapon from the crown store. Items earned from taking part in new content does not count.

Yes but you have to invest irl money to get to that content... No?

Then everything is pay to win since you had to buy the game in the first place.

That argument holds no water.

Yes i paid to get this game. The point is I don't want to pay twice

jadarock

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Steev_z wrote: »

Since the malacath ring of brutality happened...
Has No-cp pvp become pay to win with this item?
In my honest opinion it did....

LMAO...ESO is not pay to win. Pay to win games require the items to be sold directly in the market place to offer said advantage or have a very easy way for players to convert real currency to game currency (without any chance of being ripped off) to acquire items quickly and easily.

ESO game design is pay to play.

It's most definitely pay for an advantage...

CASP3R421

the good news here is that pvp is broken af even without this ring, and shouldnt be played by anyone