ESO Players base up 75% in the last 60 days

finehair · May 2020

it is a good game, i enjoy playing it. But i don't enjoy the bugs, lags, fps drops, their community management, their poor performance patches and toxic late game community.
Also MMORPG addiction is a thing.
I've paid for this game in the past, when i was enjoying a lot. Then i simply stopped paying when that feel was no longer there. Still enjoyable, but not as it used to be. And now there are more annoying stuff in the game for me. So no longer paying anything, not buying dlc, not buying chapter not subbed to eso since few years etc. etc.
Many players might be playing, but how many of them are still paying customers? Since that's what is important to them.

craybest · May 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

so people saying that everyone is leaving is ok to post, but saying (with evidence of numbers) that new people are coming, is baiting or trolling? got it.

They are already leaving:

So OP used outdated information, purposefully for trolling and baiting because his previous poll failed. Well, OP also got warning or ban for that attitude, so as you can see even ZOS considered him a troll.

Are you even watching the same graphic?
Are you really saying the game is doing poorly because it went down a 5 points after a 13 points increase after months of steady and regular population?

MartiniDaniels · May 2020

craybest wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

so people saying that everyone is leaving is ok to post, but saying (with evidence of numbers) that new people are coming, is baiting or trolling? got it.

They are already leaving:

So OP used outdated information, purposefully for trolling and baiting because his previous poll failed. Well, OP also got warning or ban for that attitude, so as you can see even ZOS considered him a troll.

Are you even watching the same graphic?
Are you really saying the game is doing poorly because it went down a 5 points after a 13 points increase after months of steady and regular population?

So fact that 5k from new 13k left in one month is ok?

craybest · May 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

so people saying that everyone is leaving is ok to post, but saying (with evidence of numbers) that new people are coming, is baiting or trolling? got it.

They are already leaving:

So OP used outdated information, purposefully for trolling and baiting because his previous poll failed. Well, OP also got warning or ban for that attitude, so as you can see even ZOS considered him a troll.

Are you even watching the same graphic?
Are you really saying the game is doing poorly because it went down a 5 points after a 13 points increase after months of steady and regular population?

So fact that 5k from new 13k left in one month is ok?

yes it is ok infact. the issue would be if now we had less people than these last few months. that would be bad news problably, but we dont have less people now, we have MORE than the last 6 months.

MartiniDaniels · May 2020

craybest wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

so people saying that everyone is leaving is ok to post, but saying (with evidence of numbers) that new people are coming, is baiting or trolling? got it.

They are already leaving:

So OP used outdated information, purposefully for trolling and baiting because his previous poll failed. Well, OP also got warning or ban for that attitude, so as you can see even ZOS considered him a troll.

Are you even watching the same graphic?
Are you really saying the game is doing poorly because it went down a 5 points after a 13 points increase after months of steady and regular population?

So fact that 5k from new 13k left in one month is ok?

yes it is ok infact. the issue would be if now we had less people than these last few months. that would be bad news problably, but we dont have less people now, we have MORE than the last 6 months.

We have now more people then ESO ever had, despite nothing good happened to game in U25. Figures? Game didn't become better and people came to play. It is combination of corona, free week, anniversary event, new chapter about Skyrim. I agree that many of them will remain playing for a while, because ESO is huge.
You are telling game is fine because you are in for questing and exploration - I can't even agree that it is fine in overland. When I started playing all button press responses were instant. You can just jump between interface windows and hand out daily quests in click-click-click, very fast and convenient. Now there is delay on almost everything.
But maybe you are that lucky guy who was distributed to those few server boards which are not overloaded. We know that some players are still doing achievement runs, 1vX in PVP and have overall solid performance. Then you position is understandable.
But as you can see from forum, in 2018 only players from Australia and with bad internet connection were impacted, in 2019 after Elsweyr patch ~15% of any players got unstable performance and now this % is increasing to really high values, because nobody already recommends to buy better PC, turn off add-ons or restart something.

bearbelly · May 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

so people saying that everyone is leaving is ok to post, but saying (with evidence of numbers) that new people are coming, is baiting or trolling? got it.

They are already leaving:

So OP used outdated information, purposefully for trolling and baiting because his previous poll failed. Well, OP also got warning or ban for that attitude, so as you can see even ZOS considered him a troll.

Are you even watching the same graphic?
Are you really saying the game is doing poorly because it went down a 5 points after a 13 points increase after months of steady and regular population?

So fact that 5k from new 13k left in one month is ok?

When that 13K spike was due to an acute, unprecedented planet-wide situation? Yes.
The number jumped because people all over the globe bunkered-down in their homes.
You can't base an outlook on singular, extraordinary events.

craybest · May 2020

bearbelly wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

so people saying that everyone is leaving is ok to post, but saying (with evidence of numbers) that new people are coming, is baiting or trolling? got it.

They are already leaving:

So OP used outdated information, purposefully for trolling and baiting because his previous poll failed. Well, OP also got warning or ban for that attitude, so as you can see even ZOS considered him a troll.

Are you even watching the same graphic?
Are you really saying the game is doing poorly because it went down a 5 points after a 13 points increase after months of steady and regular population?

So fact that 5k from new 13k left in one month is ok?

When that 13K spike was due to an acute, unprecedented planet-wide situation? Yes.
The number jumped because people all over the globe bunkered-down in their homes.
You can't base an outlook on singular, extraordinary events.

but you can claim everyone is leaving (as many are saying in these forums) when the numbers show exactly the contrary? independently that the increase in players is caused by many particular things, one thing is certain, people are not leaving, if we look at the numbers.

bluebird · May 2020

craybest wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

so people saying that everyone is leaving is ok to post, but saying (with evidence of numbers) that new people are coming, is baiting or trolling? got it.

They are already leaving:

So OP used outdated information, purposefully for trolling and baiting because his previous poll failed. Well, OP also got warning or ban for that attitude, so as you can see even ZOS considered him a troll.

Are you even watching the same graphic?
Are you really saying the game is doing poorly because it went down a 5 points after a 13 points increase after months of steady and regular population?

So fact that 5k from new 13k left in one month is ok?

yes it is ok infact. the issue would be if now we had less people than these last few months. that would be bad news problably, but we dont have less people now, we have MORE than the last 6 months.

To take the last 60 days as any indication that relates to the game itself is insane.
The numbers are clearly due to the COVID pandemic, nothing to do with how awesome/terrible ESO is.

This year we've had more people consecutively stuck at home with more free time than ever before, globally.
CS:GO peaked in April too, reaching over 1,3 million players (and started falling in May).
DOTA also peaked in April, reaching over 800k players (and started falling in May).
ESO also peaked in April, reaching almost 50k players (and started falling in May).
Incidentally, many countries started relaxing their lockdown measures in May.
There are games that are still rising in population (such as Terraria or GTA).

Am I happy that a terrible global pandemic has a silver lining by increasing player count for our favourite games? Of course - it's not by any merit of the game or anything ZOS did, but due to luck and coincidence more gamers had free time than any period since the invention of the computer.

But should we use that as some sort of self-congratulatory ESO success story, or as a misrepresentative jab at veterans who tell us why they have no interest in playing the game any longer? No. Kthxbai

bearbelly · May 2020

craybest wrote: »

bearbelly wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

so people saying that everyone is leaving is ok to post, but saying (with evidence of numbers) that new people are coming, is baiting or trolling? got it.

They are already leaving:

So OP used outdated information, purposefully for trolling and baiting because his previous poll failed. Well, OP also got warning or ban for that attitude, so as you can see even ZOS considered him a troll.

Are you even watching the same graphic?
Are you really saying the game is doing poorly because it went down a 5 points after a 13 points increase after months of steady and regular population?

So fact that 5k from new 13k left in one month is ok?

When that 13K spike was due to an acute, unprecedented planet-wide situation? Yes.
The number jumped because people all over the globe bunkered-down in their homes.
You can't base an outlook on singular, extraordinary events.

but you can claim everyone is leaving (as many are saying in these forums) when the numbers show exactly the contrary?

No, you can't say that people are leaving if you look at the long-term trend. Which is basically what my post is saying.
That 5K difference between April and May is meaningless because the spike in April was not due to those "partcular things" that occur under normal circumstances.

By the same token, that spike will not equate to a 75% increase in the player-base over time. The spike will flatten as global conditions get closer to what they were prior to the pandemic lock-downs.

codierussell · May 2020

Veteran players leaving the game is a huge issue, and here is the reason why.

Lot's of players have been here from the start, 5+ years and are still playing. The problem when these people leave is that you are losing long term players that have built the game, by spending money and helping move the game to what it is today. Lots of these players are also content creators bringing more eyes to the game and helping newer players. When these players leave you lose people who play almost every day for a few hours and will be buying chapters and DLCs every 3 months. These players are also the ones that will be on forums and chats that will actively tell people not to play the game because of so and so reason (place your one of many bugs in the game here).

Compare that to new players, as pointed out the fall from everyone being at home during the pandemic is already happening with over one third of new players quitting. This is generally what happens to new players started MMOs 5 years into the games life. It is hard to catch up being that far behind, not to mention that everything in ESO changes every 3 months. This causes the amount of new players to actually commit to the game to be very small. Then at a certain point you have to look at it that there is a finite amount of new players, you can't keep finding millions of people to play the game, you have to eventually keep a player base.

With that being said, at some point ZOS has to look at the numbers and say relying on new players to come fill the old vets leaving isn't sustainable. Looking at console specifically, with the launch of the next generation coming in a few months we have no word on what this will look like for the game. Will this improve load times? Will it improve lag? Well the answer is probably no because ZOS would have to actually make an attempt to use the capabilities of these new consoles. This also begs the question, if the performance is better will it be fair for the people who play on their old consoles or will there have to be separate servers?

At the end of the day vets aren't leaving the game because of the issues, we are leaving because of the lack of communication from the Devs. There are a lot of bugs and problems that are addressed but on as "we are looking into this". Well that means nothing, is it going to be fixed or is it on the back burner and we should expect nothing in the next year? Then there is the complete lack of listening from the player base about changes and Greymoor is the perfect example of that. No issues players bring up about the PTS cycles gets addressed, a simple we aren't doing that because we what it this way and here is why, that would be the best thing the Dev team could do to stop getting so much hate on their own forums.

#rantover

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo · May 2020

Many of us suspected those large arrival numbers where related to the confinement over Europe mostly I imagine...Also who is gonna stay asides us crazy vets who have unlimited amounts of patience.
*Kudos to our determination or our ignorance I guess*

codierussell · May 2020

@ZOS_GinaBruno Is there any way that we can get some kind of communication going? Even if it is like once a week where various people field questions from the class reps that gather feedback from the rest of us? I would love to watch live updates with Q&A sessions to better express the vision of ZOS for the game and get some answers to the questions we have been asking for months.

eso_lags · May 2020

Nevermind im just going to get banned again

The point is, if you dont play competitively in pvp or pve then you probably shouldn't pretend like you understand the issues when you dont. Performance is very bad right now but it has been for a long time, if you cant understand why people are frustrated then idk what to tell you. People boycotting a company that is doing something very bad is not new. I dont do it because if I cancel my sub I wouldn't be able to access my bank because I have so many items in it, and on all my characters, and it would make playing nearly impossible if I lost half of my bank space. But I support people speaking with their money.

Performance should not be so bad in a game this old. You can say its like this in other games if you want, but you are lying. At least not in any of the other bigger mmos ive played. Gw2, AA, BDO, WOW, RS, FFXIV. They are all very different, the closest one to eso is probably gw2. They all have their issues, and none of them have the abysmal performance that this game does. There is no excuse for it. The way zos balances is another issue entirely, but my point is that a game like this, with this company behind it, and with the ridiculous money it makes, should not be performing like it does. It should have never gotten to this point, many of us have told zenimax for years it was getting unplayable in pvp, now its everywhere.

Sephyr · May 2020

Jaxious79 wrote: »

Giljabrar wrote: »

I'm pretty sure people are specifying that veterans are leaving. We all know there's been a huge influx of new players.

It's the people who have been playing for years that are leaving, fed up with feedback being ignored, and server performance at it's worst point in this games history. Which is saying something, given its performance has never been the best on the market to begin with.

[snip] Maybe those new players will enjoy the game more because the toxic vets are bailing. There is always a positive when forum poster claim they are leaving in droves in my experience.

[Edited for Baiting]

From my experience is that most new players usually don't stick around for years on end. The 'toxic' vets you've so broadly painted us with your paintbrush as have been dedicated to this community since the very beginning. Some of us SINCE beta. They seen the working model and how it's slowly devolved into the performance, silent train wreck that it is now. If vets are leaving in droves? They take their friends, their guilds, their streaming content, their YouTube content, their written guides of builds, and their theorycrafting with them. If they don't stick around, what makes you think the new ones will stick around any longer?

xaraan · May 2020

Here is the end-all/be-all of whether the game is doing well: if they are doing well, then they can hire enough people to get the game working right. As long as the game continues in the mess it is, nothing else matters unless you are one of the private investors for them.