Berek_Bloodfang wrote: »

That is exactly how my friends/guild felt, unfortunately due to everyone quitting our guild is no more, I still linger here with the hopes that things may improve. It’s funny how so many people indicate that “everyone” hated premades in battlegrounds, yet I see an equal amount of players saying they miss the old group queue system. Oh well, we can only hope ZoS will fix Cyrodiil.

I see many more saying they miss being able to queue with a friend. I see only a small handful of people saying to prevent duos. Would get a lot of us back into BGs too.

This is what pug stomping for years got you. Now live with not being able to play with your "wife", since that's apparently the main complain

mav1234 wrote: »

Berek_Bloodfang wrote: »

That is exactly how my friends/guild felt, unfortunately due to everyone quitting our guild is no more, I still linger here with the hopes that things may improve. It’s funny how so many people indicate that “everyone” hated premades in battlegrounds, yet I see an equal amount of players saying they miss the old group queue system. Oh well, we can only hope ZoS will fix Cyrodiil.

I see many more saying they miss being able to queue with a friend. I see only a small handful of people saying to prevent duos. Would get a lot of us back into BGs too.

This is the best compromise, and I find it hard to believe that it would take much time/effort for ZOS to implement. Allow solos and duos to queue.

@ZOS_SarahHecker

Please pass this message up the chain. This is the best way to satisfy the most people and thereby get more people to play BGs.

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all,

At this time, there are no immediate plans to reintroduce group queuing for PvP Battlegrounds in ESO. We are focusing on game performance improvements, and monitoring PvP Battlegrounds activity and feedback. If we do consider reintroducing group queueing for PvP Battlegrounds in the future, we’ll let everyone know.

I stopped reading at "We are focusing on game performance improvements." Sure

Wildly disappointing. I stopped doing BGs entirely once I could no longer queue with friends, considering I play MMOs to play with friends.

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all,

At this time, there are no immediate plans to reintroduce group queuing for PvP Battlegrounds in ESO. We are focusing on game performance improvements, and monitoring PvP Battlegrounds activity and feedback. If we do consider reintroducing group queueing for PvP Battlegrounds in the future, we’ll let everyone know.

Solo queue is far superior to what they had before. With that said they should have both a solo queue and a group queue option.

I want to defend the current system, which I found that works well for unexperienced (pvp) players.

In my case, I just wanted the d**med red dye you get from "Pit Hero" (1k kills). I dislike how the devs put basic flat colors behind grindy achievs. I do not enjoy PvP much, and I care only slightly about the fancy rank glyphs some people have.

I started pretty bad, getting destroyed by other players, but next I begun to think a bit about my build, playstyle and what tactics I should use. Because I am experienced with ESO, I figured out some builds that started to work with me, and with time I got better at this. By the time I was into 600 kills, I wasn't only farming kills, I was playing to get the whole bg right, working in the team, pushing for objectives.

In the past I stayed away from BGs because many games meant almost zero fun, I faced groups that worked together too well to be just sticking together. But now, after passing a learning curve, I was even able to face 3 average opponents or get a decent score at the end.
I think the devs must do a special (separate) system for teams to play in tournaments and such. It is a shame this was removed from the game. But the player base needs this current system as well, because there is no way to learn against premades. And for those saying you should team up with other players, well, I am not a big pvp fan, the guilds where I am active are focused on trading, socialising or housing/pve. There are times like Pelinal's festival when you get double AP, or lootboxes, so you do some pvp, and this system works well with that. The groups I faced were fairly balanced most of the times.

Gamer1986PAN wrote: »

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all,

At this time, there are no immediate plans to reintroduce group queuing for PvP Battlegrounds in ESO. We are focusing on game performance improvements, and monitoring PvP Battlegrounds activity and feedback. If we do consider reintroducing group queueing for PvP Battlegrounds in the future, we’ll let everyone know.

Thx for the update but i don't get it.

Why don't you make it possible to queue solo and group instead of solo or group.

The best option would be a lobby mode where you could choose what lobby you want to join and see how many players are searching for that kind of lobbys at the moment - but i understand that this never will happen because you love to stick with a buggy group-finder instead - that will stop working on every upcoming event again (dungeon and battleground). Instead of thinking about how you could integrate a working lobby mode with its own UI, where the user could choose the party he wants to join. In dungeons the groupleader could select how he wants to setup his group (2DD 1 Heal 1 Tank or 3DD 1 tank and so on)
The same lobby mode could work for raids (at least normal) and it would be serverwide not only zonebased like the zone chat-grouping.

I highlighted this line and I think this is where the problem lies. The MMR system they implemented is most likely fundamentally flawed and doesn't do a good enough job matching a 4 stacks MMR against 4 Solo queue players MMR. So the best options they have are to either make a completely different queue for 2+ player queues or to only allow solo queuing. Obviously the easier option is to only allow solo queuing and that is what they implemented.

Now to have them say they want to concentrate on performance fixes is a blatant cop out, we all see that. The performance fixes that were implemented up to this point have done anything but fix performance and most likely have hurt performance as a whole across the entirety of the game. Now obviously there are the people who aren't affected, but the lion's share of people are seeing a degradation of their performance in game. The better answer is probably for them just to say that their MMR system isn't working or whatever and move on from there but that isn't the answer we got.

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all,

At this time, there are no immediate plans to reintroduce group queuing for PvP Battlegrounds in ESO. We are focusing on game performance improvements, and monitoring PvP Battlegrounds activity and feedback. If we do consider reintroducing group queueing for PvP Battlegrounds in the future, we’ll let everyone know.

What a joke in an mmo, but nothing knew. More embarrassing that it took them this long to even write a paragraph response than to just keep quiet and ignore a whole play style of their costumers like they have been doing.

I really don't understand why this project is in such a bad shape... PvP is one of ESO's main appeal and we have a battleground that has less features then we started.

I really think this should be a top priority. Let's create 2v2v2 - 4v4v4 ranked BG where you can only queue with a full team. and we can keep for the current one for non-ranked. This is how this should have launched.

Also a solo or a 2man group arena is kinda my dream in eso

nukk3r wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

Does that mean "it kept unexperienced player completely away from BGs without much opportunity to learn"? You also shouldn't lose every game, y'know.

It means that it kept away people who are not interested in PvP. But then again, they didn't get matched against premades in low-mid MMR. You learn to play by doing harder things, not easier. If a momentary setback makes someone quit playing altogether, were they really interested in learning?

By your logic, if I throw a fresh cp160 into veteran maelstrom arena, and they quit ESO pve because their first impression was an absolute tragedy, is that just an attitude of them being unwilling to learn?

Get off your high horse for two minutes and try to view this situation from a new pvper’s perspective. Literally fighting for second place because the first place was always dominated by a premade. Seeing scores of 500-200-200 in deathmatch.

Hell if I played some other game like COD or something and was so consistently met with abysmal defeat, I’d stop playing it too!

Having single ques give INDIVIDUAL players a chance to learn, and grow, and most importantly, have fun. If you were steamrolling people in your premade before, what is stopping you from doing so now?

As I see, nobody cares about what we see and what we want in PvP. For 4+ months of complaints and topics here we got first response with zero information (except, "nah, you are not getting anything") from official representative. I don't really know what that people are paid for. If that would happen at my work, customer care department would be fired. I wish I have a work, where I have to respond on urgent messages for 4 months and getting salary every month.

My friends and I had a hope that group bg will be back with Greymoor. Many of them joined ESO during lockdown and they want to run BG together. Are they vets? Nope. Are they "HORRIBLE STOMPING PREMADE NIGHTMARE" for solo rambos? Nope. Do we have 100% chances to win if we will group up? Nope.

not enough players for filling solo and group queue

Yeah, that's why servers are going down because of overload. Sure.

solo bg is good for newbies/

From the side of 810+ godmoded rambos - yes. Because they have somebody to farm with meta build and legendary gear.
Newbies are trying to stick together and be organized. They don't know mechanics, they don't know what they will face, so they are always trying to make a group for getting at least some chances. They understand own lack of experience and trying to compensate it through teamwork.

Go to Cyrodiil for group play

Go play Skyrim for solo content.

solo bg is so fun!

In 95% cases people are talking about DM, when we are talking about battlegrounds. What about flag games or land grab, where teamwork is a key to victory? When I see that my team is doing DM on land grab and we lose, but teammates have scores "21-0-10" and stuff like that, I am getting agitated. Yeah, you killed bunch of people here, but it's not the point of the game and we lost because people are playing deathmatch. Isn't that spoiling game experience? Where I can find some fun in this?
And if we will talk about deathmatch, the picture is almost same. One or two persons are carrying whole teams with insane score and just farming palyers.

mav1234 wrote: »

shaielzafine wrote: »

There's not enough pvpers to have both group queue and solo queue.

There are more than enough people interested in BGs / PvP in ESO to support a group queue - but Zenimax has to support it first. Prior to the solo queue change, a lot of people got bored of queuing as any kind of group due to lack of challenge, too. So it is possible that, if it were something Zenimax did, a group queue could bring in a large influx.

But, if you look at a place like Cyrodill, we see there is more than enough interest in ESO PvP. But a group queue would have to come with a decent reward... leaderboard, separate daily. This kind of stuff would draw people to it.

In general, Zenimax does not seem interested in improving PvP in general, probably because it offers relatively little return on investment. It makes sense to remove groups in that sense since there were already so few queuing.

A prominent streamer has said that Zenimax is unable to implement a group-only queue. Not that they don't want to - they can't. It sounds like it is some kind of tech limitation. So that kills that entire idea, and none of us really think that having full groups in the solo queue is a good solution. But - duos would be a partial solution and bring a ton of more casual people back to BGs.

I would be happy if duos were the compromise.

However (and I know that this will not be a popular comment with everyone) if they cannot do two separate queues imo the only right solution would be to bring back the old queue.

Some folks like the solo queue. Some folks dislike it but use it. Some folks hate it and have quit BG'S or the game because they only like the feature when they could play with their friends.

Therefore two thirds of the perpsectives about BG's remain unhappy with the feature, and the old way allowed you to group as solo OR with friends, while this new way alienates many players.

I am all for providing two queues if it is possible but if it isn't the old way should return and they should go back to the drawing board. There are other ways this could have been handled.