Suggestion: remove penalties for leaving BG/Dung/Whatever

Nick_Balza · May 2020

Because of huge amount of crashes and instant log off, it becomes tough to do activities like dungeons and etc. Getting deserter penalty for that is absolutely unfair and it is not player's fault that game is full of glitches.
Using foods/xp scrolls/craglorn buffs becomes a sort of lottery. You can get your xp scroll expired and not get any use of it because game has decided to log you off in the middle of dung.

zvavi · May 2020

How will we punish fake tanks and heals then?

Nick_Balza · May 2020

Vote to kick?

MagicalLija · May 2020

Nick_Balza wrote: »

Vote to kick?

Then they'll just requeue and get it another group, if not the same group. I think there needs to be stricter punishments for Fake Tanks/Heals, primarily on Vet Dungeons.

Tsar_Gekkou · May 2020

zvavi wrote: »

How will we punish fake tanks and heals then?

You don't get the 15-minute penalty timer if you get kicked.

robertthebard · May 2020

zvavi wrote: »

How will we punish fake tanks and heals then?

Since there's no penalty, how are you "punishing" them now, by leaving group?

OT: Nope. It's a PITA to be sure, but, there needs to be a penalty for "you're not my standard group, buh bye". This adversely affects everyone else in the group, if they have to wait for another player to fill the slot. Inconveniencing others should have some sort of consequence.

zvavi · May 2020

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

How will we punish fake tanks and heals then?

You don't get the 15-minute penalty timer if you get kicked.

You do, they changed it a while ago.

kichwas · May 2020

Last week I had some idiots kick me out of a group when someone else went offline, and I requeued instantly.

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Tsar_Gekkou · May 2020

zvavi wrote: »

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

How will we punish fake tanks and heals then?

You don't get the 15-minute penalty timer if you get kicked.

You do, they changed it a while ago.

No they didn't. I asked to be kicked at the beginning of a dungeon a few days ago and I didn't have the 15-minute timer when I loaded back outside.

OlumoGarbag · May 2020

The timer is only 5 minutes and it starts when you port into the dungeon or get ported out of bgs. So ifyou get kicked at first boss the timer will be already 0

zaria · May 2020

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

How will we punish fake tanks and heals then?

You don't get the 15-minute penalty timer if you get kicked.

At least not if kicked early. Remember doing an vet cradle of shadows and one DD had to leave on last boss, we tried to pug, it was late at night and we got one guy who was probably farming random vet got us and he asked for an kick as he had never managed any vet dlc. we did an get him back

Kicked again as we got an guild mate to help.
This was over an year ago, if an DD tell you he is bad and please kick you do.

Kurat · May 2020

Penalties shouldn't be removed. People often leave as is when they get dungeon they font like or the think other players are too low cp. This would be total disaster if you could re queue immediately. I queue as a tank for quick daily random and get DLC one, then I would just re queue until I get FG1 lol. And queue would pop for me instantly but those other poor *** would have wait for new tank for 30min or leave. And that's after they already sat in queue for 30 min.

Nick_Balza · May 2020

I am saying that game mechanics need to be adjusted to current condition of the game. Tons of glitches and bugs are ruining game experience.
XP scrolls and good buff foods are priceless for newbies and when their foods/scrolls are expired because of glitches, newbies are not getting expected benefits (which they have to get). That ruins their experience, their work and their interest to the game.

People who want to leave in the middle/start of bg/dung will do that anyway and they don't care much about penalties.

Langeston · May 2020

No. In fact, the timer should be increased in BGs. Ever since it got reduced to 5 min, PVEers that are just there for their Daily & looking for a carry will quit at the first sign of their team not doing well, often within the first minute or two of the match. Completely ruins the game.

Erelah · May 2020

The penalty is there not to stop fake tanks but it was added into the game as a way to force tanks and healers to party with DPS. Tanks could simply get a new party. DPS whined about how it was unfair that the tank could leave and get a new group and they had to wait 30 minutes so a tank should be forced not to have fun wiping for fifteen minutes or so before they could leave.

Yes this should be removed you cannot force people who do not want to interact with one another to do so. The object of this game is to have fun. If I am not satisfied with the group I will leave. An example of this was running Depths of Maltar last night. Pug group they decided they wanted to run the HM.

After keeping their health up at 90% the entire time they ask if I was a real healer. So I explained necromancers do not have shards and mentioned they were annoying and left. I no longer desired to be in a party with them. I didn't need the dungeon and the penalty meant nothing to me. If I wanted to return the penalty did not apply to my alts, tanks and healers.

Septimus_Magna · May 2020

I just want a solution for being ported into a dungeon half way through with a group that refuses to kick me because they got lucky with the group finder and got a high CP player. Queuing for pledges as DD can take a while and often I simply dont have the time to run a pledge twice.

robertthebard · May 2020

Erelah wrote: »

The penalty is there not to stop fake tanks but it was added into the game as a way to force tanks and healers to party with DPS. Tanks could simply get a new party. DPS whined about how it was unfair that the tank could leave and get a new group and they had to wait 30 minutes so a tank should be forced not to have fun wiping for fifteen minutes or so before they could leave.

Yes this should be removed you cannot force people who do not want to interact with one another to do so. The object of this game is to have fun. If I am not satisfied with the group I will leave. An example of this was running Depths of Maltar last night. Pug group they decided they wanted to run the HM.

After keeping their health up at 90% the entire time they ask if I was a real healer. So I explained necromancers do not have shards and mentioned they were annoying and left. I no longer desired to be in a party with them. I didn't need the dungeon and the penalty meant nothing to me. If I wanted to return the penalty did not apply to my alts, tanks and healers.

The solution is simple, and is already in game: Don't join PuGs. Then you have complete control of who is, or isn't in your groups. Unless there's a reason you're not welcome in static groups?

MartiniDaniels · May 2020

robertthebard wrote: »

Erelah wrote: »

The penalty is there not to stop fake tanks but it was added into the game as a way to force tanks and healers to party with DPS. Tanks could simply get a new party. DPS whined about how it was unfair that the tank could leave and get a new group and they had to wait 30 minutes so a tank should be forced not to have fun wiping for fifteen minutes or so before they could leave.

Yes this should be removed you cannot force people who do not want to interact with one another to do so. The object of this game is to have fun. If I am not satisfied with the group I will leave. An example of this was running Depths of Maltar last night. Pug group they decided they wanted to run the HM.

After keeping their health up at 90% the entire time they ask if I was a real healer. So I explained necromancers do not have shards and mentioned they were annoying and left. I no longer desired to be in a party with them. I didn't need the dungeon and the penalty meant nothing to me. If I wanted to return the penalty did not apply to my alts, tanks and healers.

The solution is simple, and is already in game: Don't join PuGs. Then you have complete control of who is, or isn't in your groups. Unless there's a reason you're not welcome in static groups?

Problem of "static group" is that if occasional pretentious somebody's friend get in there and start teaching everybody what to do, despite he has low dps and obviously insufficient experience... you can't just vote kick him or leave without drama in guild chat.

Alpheu5 · May 2020

Two times I queued as DPS yesterday and waited at least 10 minutes each before ready checks. Both times I got booted to login during the loading screen, both times I got kicked from group within 2 minutes, both times I got the 15 minute penalty. Nearly an hour wasted because of a combination of impatient players and a hamfisted attempt to punish deserters.

Tsar_Gekkou · May 2020

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Two times I queued as DPS yesterday and waited at least 10 minutes each before ready checks. Both times I got booted to login during the loading screen, both times I got kicked from group within 2 minutes, both times I got the 15 minute penalty. Nearly an hour wasted because of a combination of impatient players and a hamfisted attempt to punish deserters.

Sounds like a glitch. I remember getting kicked from a group a few months ago and getting hit with a 60 minute timer.

Sange13 · May 2020

Kurat wrote: »

Penalties shouldn't be removed. People often leave as is when they get dungeon they font like or the think other players are too low cp. This would be total disaster if you could re queue immediately. I queue as a tank for quick daily random and get DLC one, then I would just re queue until I get FG1 lol. And queue would pop for me instantly but those other poor *** would have wait for new tank for 30min or leave. And that's after they already sat in queue for 30 min.

Penalties are stupid. Let people play the content they want to. If anything, I'd like to have the option to toggle DLC dungeons *out* of my random rotation or have some sort of veto list that you won't get matched into since I play with so many new players that can't handle that stuff yet.

As for leavers, let them. You don't want them anyway. Has nobody learned anything from League about how trapping players behind threat of penalties only generates toxicity? People resent being forced into stuff they didn't want/intend to do. Also, don't even start with that crap about "then don't queue," because there's plenty else they want to do and right now the only option is to roll the dice with the stuff they don't.

Sange13 · May 2020

Langeston wrote: »

No. In fact, the timer should be increased in BGs. Ever since it got reduced to 5 min, PVEers that are just there for their Daily & looking for a carry will quit at the first sign of their team not doing well, often within the first minute or two of the match. Completely ruins the game.

PvP dailies was always a dumb idea anyway, especially with the requirement to not place last--you basically create the situation where people join to get carried or bail until they find a match where they will be.

Veles · May 2020

I was always amazed at how quickly changes are made to completely unnecessary things and how really serious problems are completely ignored.

The same thing happened with a penalty for leaving the group. Once forum was abundantly covered with tears of casual players that experienced players did not want to play with. The question is, who wants to play veteran dungeon with a player who spam light attack and crystal fragment? As a result, they tried to lock us with them so that we could not go out. It is clear that registering random we should not count on an exp group. On the other hand, some players do not even have to reg veteran dungeons at all.

But we have a penalty. We will leave group anyway. We better get a penalty, because the loss of time with such players is much more than just leaving. So what are we being punished for? For saving our time?

To make it clear, me and my friends often register a group of 2 or 3 people, with good support, and a strong dd. We very rarely kick someone, we are ready to carry anyone, we explain mechanics and tactics in chat. But it is simply dishonest when you are thrown to the total newbies group to the dlc dungeon. And neither explanation nor pleas will help you move this group, you are simply locked with them.

The system of penalty must be canceled; it is in no way justifies itself.

Alpheu5 · May 2020

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Two times I queued as DPS yesterday and waited at least 10 minutes each before ready checks. Both times I got booted to login during the loading screen, both times I got kicked from group within 2 minutes, both times I got the 15 minute penalty. Nearly an hour wasted because of a combination of impatient players and a hamfisted attempt to punish deserters.

Sounds like a glitch. I remember getting kicked from a group a few months ago and getting hit with a 60 minute timer.

Definitely not a glitch, a vote was had. Second time I managed to get back in before they kicked me but the vote passed right when I got back on. This sort of thing has happened to me before and it's always frustrating how much time gets wasted.

Wrongful application of penalties aren't new either.

ForzaRammer · May 2020

zvavi wrote: »

How will we punish fake tanks and heals then?

Punish real tanks just so fake tanks get punished? Why would i sit in lom with 2 potatoes dps each do <20k and kick block each other? This bs penalty need to go, i don’t get fake tank because i play real tank.

ForzaRammer · May 2020

Erelah wrote: »

The penalty is there not to stop fake tanks but it was added into the game as a way to force tanks and healers to party with DPS. Tanks could simply get a new party. DPS whined about how it was unfair that the tank could leave and get a new group and they had to wait 30 minutes so a tank should be forced not to have fun wiping for fifteen minutes or so before they could leave.

Yes this should be removed you cannot force people who do not want to interact with one another to do so. The object of this game is to have fun. If I am not satisfied with the group I will leave. An example of this was running Depths of Maltar last night. Pug group they decided they wanted to run the HM.

After keeping their health up at 90% the entire time they ask if I was a real healer. So I explained necromancers do not have shards and mentioned they were annoying and left. I no longer desired to be in a party with them. I didn't need the dungeon and the penalty meant nothing to me. If I wanted to return the penalty did not apply to my alts, tanks and healers.

Tanks deserve a new party just because there are less tanks, dps que is too long is because potatoe dps are babied instead of kicked.

ForzaRammer · May 2020

Veles wrote: »

I was always amazed at how quickly changes are made to completely unnecessary things and how really serious problems are completely ignored.

The same thing happened with a penalty for leaving the group. Once forum was abundantly covered with tears of casual players that experienced players did not want to play with. The question is, who wants to play veteran dungeon with a player who spam light attack and crystal fragment? As a result, they tried to lock us with them so that we could not go out. It is clear that registering random we should not count on an exp group. On the other hand, some players do not even have to reg veteran dungeons at all.

But we have a penalty. We will leave group anyway. We better get a penalty, because the loss of time with such players is much more than just leaving. So what are we being punished for? For saving our time?

To make it clear, me and my friends often register a group of 2 or 3 people, with good support, and a strong dd. We very rarely kick someone, we are ready to carry anyone, we explain mechanics and tactics in chat. But it is simply dishonest when you are thrown to the total newbies group to the dlc dungeon. And neither explanation nor pleas will help you move this group, you are simply locked with them.

The system of penalty must be canceled; it is in no way justifies itself.

Quit punishing capable players, especially real tank to cater for these low dps potatoes.

Tsar_Gekkou · May 2020

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Two times I queued as DPS yesterday and waited at least 10 minutes each before ready checks. Both times I got booted to login during the loading screen, both times I got kicked from group within 2 minutes, both times I got the 15 minute penalty. Nearly an hour wasted because of a combination of impatient players and a hamfisted attempt to punish deserters.

Sounds like a glitch. I remember getting kicked from a group a few months ago and getting hit with a 60 minute timer.

Definitely not a glitch, a vote was had. Second time I managed to get back in before they kicked me but the vote passed right when I got back on. This sort of thing has happened to me before and it's always frustrating how much time gets wasted.

Wrongful application of penalties aren't new either.

You got unlucky, but 99% of the time kicking someone doesn't glitch out and give them a penalty timer, which is why people ask to get kicked so they can re-queue instantly.

Eifleber · May 2020

1. switch to another character, the penalty doesn' t carry over
2. after d/c I don't get penalty
3. when I deliberately leave because of reasons (like extreme low dps) I glady accept time penalty