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Lack of streamer presence?
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khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭@starkerealm sorry not going to watch a stream with “ninja” anywhere in the GT. Idc how good they are.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭khajiitNPC wrote: »@starkerealm sorry not going to watch a stream with “ninja” anywhere in the GT. Idc how good they are.
Dude's an old biker. His name was originally a reference to the motorcycle, IIRC. Your choice, though.1 -
ItsJustHashtag✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »khajiitNPC wrote: »@starkerealm sorry not going to watch a stream with “ninja” anywhere in the GT. Idc how good they are.
Dude's an old biker. His name was originally a reference to the motorcycle, IIRC. Your choice, though.
Doesn’t he mainly stand around and talk with minimal actual gameplay? That is what I’ve noticed the times I’ve popped into his stream.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »khajiitNPC wrote: »@starkerealm sorry not going to watch a stream with “ninja” anywhere in the GT. Idc how good they are.
Dude's an old biker. His name was originally a reference to the motorcycle, IIRC. Your choice, though.
Doesn’t he mainly stand around and talk with minimal actual gameplay? That is what I’ve noticed the times I’ve popped into his stream.
He runs vet trials. That does result in some downtime while groups are getting together. He also runs a bunch of vet dungeons. Fridays or Saturdays are community dungeon nights, where he just chains dungeon runs with people from chat. There is some standing around and talking, though, so you're not completely wrong. He's also been playing 76 a lot lately. And, actually, it the calm before Graymoore hitting, there's a lot of ESO streamers who've been playing other games.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It does bring up a question though - I notice a lot of poeple talking about how skillful endgame content is why people watch streams, but does anyone watch streams for the streamer's personality? Like I feel that if a streamer was able to manhandle every piece of endgame content flawlessly, people would watch even if they had the personality of a dead fish. But if a streamer had a great personality, would people watch even if their endgame content was a complete clown-shoes crapshow?ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.3 -
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✭✭Nearly all the top games by player population AND twitch viewership are PvP games or have some sort of competitive PvP environment. Until ZOS realizes this and puts more of a focus on PvP and game performance, ESO will be dead streaming wise.
When was ESO more popular on Twitch? It was back when PvP was more of a focus. PvE overall is a very small market for players compared to PvP.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »It does bring up a question though - I notice a lot of poeple talking about how skillful endgame content is why people watch streams, but does anyone watch streams for the streamer's personality?
Yep. Doing so right now.Saucy_Jack wrote: »Like I feel that if a streamer was able to manhandle every piece of endgame content flawlessly, people would watch even if they had the personality of a dead fish. But if a streamer had a great personality, would people watch even if their endgame content was a complete clown-shoes crapshow?
Yeah, personality is way more important than overall technical ability.2 -
ItsJustHashtag✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »It does bring up a question though - I notice a lot of poeple talking about how skillful endgame content is why people watch streams, but does anyone watch streams for the streamer's personality? Like I feel that if a streamer was able to manhandle every piece of endgame content flawlessly, people would watch even if they had the personality of a dead fish. But if a streamer had a great personality, would people watch even if their endgame content was a complete clown-shoes crapshow?
Personally it’s a combination of both for me
You can be above average and very entertaining and I’d watch.
But I’d you’re really bad and entertaining I won’t watch.
I’m more inclined to watch a really good player even if they’re boring as a stream because the content.
I won’t watch an above average player that is boring though.1 -
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✭to the "why would anyone watch someone else play a game instead of playing it themselves" question, the answer is simple actually.
i don't have access to that content, i am not able to do it, i am not part of such a good guild, i don't have friends to laugh with, i don't even have the game maybe. I don't have to buy a game, and maybe that game wouldn't even run properly on my potato computer. I am not that good and i want to learn. Or i watch for fun, like watching a tv sports (in case of competitive games).
and if above are not enough answers (actually they're just a few examples) then i watch for the streamer's personality.-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This very moment there are 2.2k people watching ESO streams. By contrast there are 3.2k people watching Skyrim streams. There are 200k people watching LoL.
Edited by Reverb on May 13, 2020 9:29PMBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche4 -
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Most of the ESO directory, with a few exceptions, don't embed. You can quickly recognize a streamer who's generating most of their traffic from embedding, because they'll have very low chat activity in relation to their viewer numbers.0 -
Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Haven't you heard of embedded viewership? most of the viewers are fake bait to get more people to watch.
It's the same as paying some site to "subscribe" a bunch of auto-generated youtube accounts to your channel. Like, what's the point? "Hooray! Now I have just as many REAL people watching as I did before, except now I'm paying out money!"
I would rather have 10 more subscribers who actively watch the channel than 5000 more that are just automated accounts. Sheesh.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »Haven't you heard of embedded viewership? most of the viewers are fake bait to get more people to watch.
It's the same as paying some site to "subscribe" a bunch of auto-generated youtube accounts to your channel. Like, what's the point? "Hooray! Now I have just as many REAL people watching as I did before, except now I'm paying out money!"
I would rather have 10 more subscribers who actively watch the channel than 5000 more that are just automated accounts. Sheesh.
Difference is that botting is strictly verboten on Twitch.
It does two things. Embedded views (or bots) will push you up in the directory, improving your visibility. This can result in more real viewers.
It can also be instrumental in moving you into Partner status, which can help your ad revenue.
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Trensharo✭✭✭The game is boring to watch, and the way balance has gone... not really worth time supporting a streamer. I mean, many people do stream to make money. If the money isn't there, and the viewers aren't there... why should they waste so much of their life streaming the game.
Games need to be entertaining to watch, otherwise people leave after the hype dies down. This will happen to Valorant, for example, because the gameplay is simply not good for streaming.
Designing a game that is fun for players and fun for viewers are two distinct things. Some games fail at one but succeed at the other. Very few deliver on both ends.
Trying to make a living streaming predominantly ESO is like trying to make a living streaming predominantly Guild Wars 2.
MMORPGs aren't not as popular as they used to be, anyways.1 -
Vea✭✭✭OP, if you need a few suggestions, I'll list some of the ones I watch (yes, even when I'm playing) and enjoy:
- BisLobo: PvP player who does it with honor and respect for other players. I wish and hope that his attitude will spread through more of the player base.
- Xynode: a bottomless well of knowledge and a no-nonsense approach, with dry sense of humor. Mostly does group content (PvE)
- CityComplex: amazingly good player who mostly does solo dungeon runs. Very helpful person who is willing to run content with his audience. I've been learning a lot from him. Very chill stream and the guy has an amazing voice.
- Gracefully_Lyris: lovely streamer who runs group content with her community. Very knowledgeable and approachable. Bonus points: she sometimes plays the violin in her streams
- Tonyactsout: (sorry if I got the name wrong) hilarious RP streamer whom I've seen do both PvE and PvP. A lot of work goes into his streams, with cut scenes and props. I have yet to see him get off character, even though his chat is very active and he interacts with them a lot.
Agree on everything.-citycomplex is very relaxing too, and he can solo almost everything without lose the attitude. Very good.1 -
out51d3r✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »I don't know why you'd want to watch anyone play a game. This whole streamer thing (let alone the insanity that people can earn money at it) just baffles me.
I'm over 40, so I do my fair share of yelling at clouds. But, I do watch streams, on occasion.
I'm a very competitive person. If I do something, I want to do it well. One of the best ways to do that is to observe players that are better than me. What do they do that I don't? Then I incorporate it into my gameplay. It helps me understand the game on levels that would be difficult to understand otherwise. Back in the day, people would exchange high level strategies on forums, but those days are mostly over. You can't monetize a forum post. You can monetize a stream/youtoube video. It's in the best interest of the most knowledgeable players to share their information in a way that they can monetize.
Now, if you want me to explain donations, twitch chat, "entertainment" streamers, and the like, I really have no explanation. A significant portion of the gaming community has decided to revel in stupidity as a form of entertainment. It's pretty disappointing.
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✭✭✭✭✭The game is boring to watch, and the way balance has gone... not really worth time supporting a streamer. I mean, many people do stream to make money. If the money isn't there, and the viewers aren't there... why should they waste so much of their life streaming the game.
Games need to be entertaining to watch, otherwise people leave after the hype dies down. This will happen to Valorant, for example, because the gameplay is simply not good for streaming.
Designing a game that is fun for players and fun for viewers are two distinct things. Some games fail at one but succeed at the other. Very few deliver on both ends.
Trying to make a living streaming predominantly ESO is like trying to make a living streaming predominantly Guild Wars 2.
MMORPGs aren't not as popular as they used to be, anyways.
At the risk of going into a sideways rabbit hole, if Valorant sinks, it's going to be on the shoulders of Vanguard being a complete dumpsterfire.
If a streamer's worth watch, they're worth watching. It's not whether the original material is interesting, the question is, can they make that material interesting. If nothing can make ESO interesting for you right now, no harm, no foul.
And, yeah, it is a career for people. A surprisingly difficult one. It's easy to point to the top .5% of streamers, and forget that a lot of them are living month to month.
Also, @JebroUnity actually came to ESO from GW2. He streams both.0 -
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Yeah, no eso streamer has legit 1k viewers. The only one who could pull that off was sypher... on patch notes day...1 -
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kichwas✭✭✭✭eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »The only streamers left and the ones you listed aren't very good players and why would someone want to watch someone who isn't very good at the game play it?
People have been watching Asmongold over in WoW for years...
Being good has nothing to do with being good at streaming. Sometimes being too good gets in the way of being entertaining.
There's quite a few MMOs out there that are quite successful yet don't center around a YouTube / Twitch culture. Most of them in fact. I think it's more that WoW is the outlyer in having a lot of streamers. Streamers seem to usually prefer other gaming format.
Jah bless
PST timezone - mostly PvE player.
Super casual player
Seeking a casual 'lets do some dungeons and world stuff together' guild.1 -
navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭UGotBenched91 wrote: »Hmm so I’m just curious why does it seem this game has a lack of streamer presence when compared to other similar games?
Who cares? Gaming survived for decades without streamers, it will continue to survive if the day comes that streaming stops. Play the game yourself.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »The only streamers left and the ones you listed aren't very good players and why would someone want to watch someone who isn't very good at the game play it?
I don't know why you'd want to watch anyone play a game. This whole streamer thing (let alone the insanity that people can earn money at it) just baffles me.
edit: yes, yes - "old man yells at cloud".
You could apply that towards people who watch sports.
Watching Micheal Jordan dunk is a bit different to watching someone sit on their arse and push buttons on a controller. I can’t dunk like Jordan, but I can push buttons on a controller.
Yep. I rather watch the streamer because they are doing something much more interesting to me.0 -
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✭Because a lot of the players who were involved in streaming ESO have moved on due to issues they had with the game and/or finding a bigger market where they could expand if they were working on streaming full time for a living. Some of them play casually or log on every now and then. It's not the same as it used to be.
I didnt move on. I had a baby so I cant commit as much time to streaming anymore. I am still very active content creating on YouTube for ESO though! youtube.com/shimmervids
@xynode lives and breathes eso, and is extremely skilled in it. He streams and makes builds on Youtube.
@Dottzgaming Also streams eso regularly, and keeps his youtube up to date with ESO content as well.
@Ninja614 Streams eso regularly, is highly skilled, and funny as hell!!4 -
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✭✭Things should work before being recorded... Edited by Universe on May 14, 2020 6:24PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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Mitrenga✭✭✭✭✭Fengrush and Alcast easily hits 5k+ during their ESO streams. Cyro streamers started doing more BGs due to the latency issues but BGs are also in trouble. Skills are not going off, attacks are not registering etc. so perhaps less steamers helps ESO to gain more players. When someone asks in stream chat if it's worth starting ESO now, answers are usually negative.2 -
KMarble✭✭✭✭✭For the people wondering why would anyone watch another person playing, here's my reason.
I've always been interested in video games - how they are made, the stories they might tell, the marketing etc. Throughout my life, though, very few times I wanted to play a game. Most of the time I rather watch someone play a game than doing so myself.
In fact, I found out about ESO by watching a let's play series. The person wasn't showing PvP or group content, he was going through the story - the main quest for his alliance. After watching a few videos I felt compelled to play it myself because there were things he did (or didn't do) that I wanted to try.
My interest in watching ESO streams isn't to see above average game play. It was originally to learn about the game. Nowadays there are a few streamers whom I watch because I like them and the community gathered by them.Saucy_Jack wrote: »It does bring up a question though - I notice a lot of poeple talking about how skillful endgame content is why people watch streams, but does anyone watch streams for the streamer's personality? Like I feel that if a streamer was able to manhandle every piece of endgame content flawlessly, people would watch even if they had the personality of a dead fish. But if a streamer had a great personality, would people watch even if their endgame content was a complete clown-shoes crapshow?
I partially answered your question, but let me elaborate a little more. Yes, I do watch streams by people whose personality I like, but I don't stick around if they have "the personality of a dead fish" or a personality I dislike - no matter how skillful they are.
I've unfollowed and refuse to watch plenty of streamers whose attitude changed as their channel gained traction and they began to behave like they're the best and nothing they say or do is wrong. I've also stopped watching a couple of streamers due to their communities.
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Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.0 -
precambria✭✭✭✭✭In short, THE GAME IS BROKEN watching people just get frustrated with bugs is frustrating.2