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Lack of streamer presence?
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✭✭precambria wrote: »In short, THE GAME IS BROKEN watching people just get frustrated with bugs is frustrating.
A year ago the performance used to be much better.
2 years ago even better than a year ago.
I can see a pattern here xDSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.
Wrong. It is precisely because a large number of his "viewers" are just people looking at builds, etc on Alcast's web site that he has similar numbers on Mount and Blade. People talking about ESO in chat is irrelevant, no one said he had no real viewers, even I watch him sometimes.
As you seemingly need it spelt out for you, I am on Alcast's website now, looking at the gear for a build, there is a tiny, muted embedded stream in the sidebar, that I've scrolled past and am obviously not watching, I count as a "viewer" for Fengrush's stream who is currently streaming. Which is why Alcast and Fengrush "magically" had a large jump in viewers when they started embedding their streams.
Which is also why the number of viewers in his chat (about 450) is way too low for what you would expect for someone with the 6.7k "viewers" he currently has as I write this. And to put just how off that is, into perspective, Cloakzy with 7k viewers or Fedmyster2 with 7.4k, then 450 users in and it still has me at the names beginning with 'B'.Edited by Sylosi on May 14, 2020 11:38PM0 -
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Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.
You do realize they are not legit viewers actually watching the stream right? Their stream gets 5k but chat is more dead than a streamer with legit 100 viewers.1 -
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✭✭✭I don't know much about YouTubing or Streaming but making a move to another game was a no brainer.
Some ESO YouTube videos get from 1 to 300k views.
Some Fornite YouTube videos get from 1 to 9 million views
If you are a content creator for ESO You might make enough money for Pizza or McDonalds every night.
if you are a content creator for Fornite you might make enough money to buy a few Tesla's, a new home, and much more.
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✭Hard to stream when you have to press 10 times a key for a skill to fire off in PvP.1 -
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Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.
You do realize they are not legit viewers actually watching the stream right? Their stream gets 5k but chat is more dead than a streamer with legit 100 viewers.
I don't know what streams you're watching, but 100 live viewers tends to produce a pretty lively stream. Hell moderating 20 people for MilkViper means I need to keep an eye on chat when I'm doing something else. Bert usually has at least 100, and when I'm there, I'm grateful that I'm not the only moderator.
So, @Sylosi, how many of those views are, "fake embeds?" Don't just say, "a large slice." Give us the exact number.0 -
Dottzgaming✭✭✭✭✭Because a lot of the players who were involved in streaming ESO have moved on due to issues they had with the game and/or finding a bigger market where they could expand if they were working on streaming full time for a living. Some of them play casually or log on every now and then. It's not the same as it used to be.
I didnt move on. I had a baby so I cant commit as much time to streaming anymore. I am still very active content creating on YouTube for ESO though!
youtube.com/shimmervids
@xynode lives and breathes eso, and is extremely skilled in it. He streams and makes builds on Youtube.
@Dottzgaming Also streams eso regularly, and keeps his youtube up to date with ESO content as well.
@Ninja614 Streams eso regularly, is highly skilled, and funny as hell!!
Thanks for the shoutout shimmer
Yes! i still stream eso regularly and keep all of my guides up to date on my YouTube channel as well as my website Dottzgaming.com. While i am trying to branch out a little bit outside of eso, i still love the game despite it's issues and am still streaming it a ton! 2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭As someone who has a rather incredibly small Youtube channel, I'm trying to figure out how people have the time to keep updating multiple things. Like Dottz, you mentioned steaming, PLUS a youtube channel, PLUS a full website. I have enough time in my week to maybe record a video or two and do the editing on them. If I tried to add a website and a stream to that I think my schedule would implode hahahaALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »As someone who has a rather incredibly small Youtube channel, I'm trying to figure out how people have the time to keep updating multiple things. Like Dottz, you mentioned steaming, PLUS a youtube channel, PLUS a full website. I have enough time in my week to maybe record a video or two and do the editing on them. If I tried to add a website and a stream to that I think my schedule would implode hahaha
In the case of @xynode, making ESO is his full time job.1 -
ItsJustHashtag✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.
You do realize they are not legit viewers actually watching the stream right? Their stream gets 5k but chat is more dead than a streamer with legit 100 viewers.
I don't know what streams you're watching, but 100 live viewers tends to produce a pretty lively stream. Hell moderating 20 people for MilkViper means I need to keep an eye on chat when I'm doing something else. Bert usually has at least 100, and when I'm there, I'm grateful that I'm not the only moderator.
So, @Sylosi, how many of those views are, "fake embeds?" Don't just say, "a large slice." Give us the exact number.
Pull up another stream with 5k-10k viewers and chars are actually crazy.
Pull up a stream like XQC and it’s light speed how fast chat moves.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.
You do realize they are not legit viewers actually watching the stream right? Their stream gets 5k but chat is more dead than a streamer with legit 100 viewers.
I don't know what streams you're watching, but 100 live viewers tends to produce a pretty lively stream. Hell moderating 20 people for MilkViper means I need to keep an eye on chat when I'm doing something else. Bert usually has at least 100, and when I'm there, I'm grateful that I'm not the only moderator.
So, @Sylosi, how many of those views are, "fake embeds?" Don't just say, "a large slice." Give us the exact number.
Pull up another stream with 5k-10k viewers and chars are actually crazy.
Pull up a stream like XQC and it’s light speed how fast chat moves.
Yeah, it kinda follows that someone who has 5k viewers would have faster chat than someone with 1k.0 -
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✭starkerealm wrote: »
Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.
You do realize they are not legit viewers actually watching the stream right? Their stream gets 5k but chat is more dead than a streamer with legit 100 viewers.
I don't know what streams you're watching, but 100 live viewers tends to produce a pretty lively stream. Hell moderating 20 people for MilkViper means I need to keep an eye on chat when I'm doing something else. Bert usually has at least 100, and when I'm there, I'm grateful that I'm not the only moderator.
So, @Sylosi, how many of those views are, "fake embeds?" Don't just say, "a large slice." Give us the exact number.
That's what I meant, a stream with 100 viewers is more lively than fengrush's or alcast streams do with 5k viewers. You want to see someone with real 5k+ viewers go watch dellor on youtube. Then compare. I watched acemercspro when he used to play eso and he averaged 200 viewers. He used to get that number or more but eso is so bad right now he rarely hops in anymore and when he does he gets 30 to 80 viewers now. I've seen my fair share of streamers with 100-200 viewers, ds_lily from POE is another one. She has legit viewers, her chat, well her chat... huuuh is something "special"Edited by Kalante on May 15, 2020 11:51AM0 -
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Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.
I love Fengrush he is very entertaining to watch.
But you can easily check the number of users in chat vs viewership number, it's nowhere near.starkerealm wrote: »
Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.
You do realize they are not legit viewers actually watching the stream right? Their stream gets 5k but chat is more dead than a streamer with legit 100 viewers.
I don't know what streams you're watching, but 100 live viewers tends to produce a pretty lively stream. Hell moderating 20 people for MilkViper means I need to keep an eye on chat when I'm doing something else. Bert usually has at least 100, and when I'm there, I'm grateful that I'm not the only moderator.
So, @Sylosi, how many of those views are, "fake embeds?" Don't just say, "a large slice." Give us the exact number.
That's what I meant, a stream with 100 viewers is more lively than fengrush's or alcast streams do with 5k viewers. You want to see someone with real 5k+ viewers go watch dellor on youtube. Then compare. I watched acemercspro when he used to play eso and he averaged 200 viewers. He used to get that number or more but eso is so bad right now he rarely hops in anymore and when he does he gets 30 to 80 viewers now. I've seen my fair share of streamers with 100-200 viewers, ds_lily from POE is another one. She has legit viewers, her chat, well her chat... huuuh is something "special"
You can view how many viewers are in chat, that's how many people are loggid in to twitch and have the stream open on the actual site.
Also don't forget there are people who don't have a twitch account.
I myself often just lurk in Fengrush's stream, or have him in the background while I'm playing.
His actual viewership is still among highest among eso streamers.
Also I don't understand people's obsession with the whole embed thing, him and Alcast have put in a lot of work for the website, have consistently streamed eso forever, so what's the problem?0 -
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Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.
I love Fengrush he is very entertaining to watch.
But you can easily check the number of users in chat vs viewership number, it's nowhere near.starkerealm wrote: »
Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.
You do realize they are not legit viewers actually watching the stream right? Their stream gets 5k but chat is more dead than a streamer with legit 100 viewers.
I don't know what streams you're watching, but 100 live viewers tends to produce a pretty lively stream. Hell moderating 20 people for MilkViper means I need to keep an eye on chat when I'm doing something else. Bert usually has at least 100, and when I'm there, I'm grateful that I'm not the only moderator.
So, @Sylosi, how many of those views are, "fake embeds?" Don't just say, "a large slice." Give us the exact number.
That's what I meant, a stream with 100 viewers is more lively than fengrush's or alcast streams do with 5k viewers. You want to see someone with real 5k+ viewers go watch dellor on youtube. Then compare. I watched acemercspro when he used to play eso and he averaged 200 viewers. He used to get that number or more but eso is so bad right now he rarely hops in anymore and when he does he gets 30 to 80 viewers now. I've seen my fair share of streamers with 100-200 viewers, ds_lily from POE is another one. She has legit viewers, her chat, well her chat... huuuh is something "special"
You can view how many viewers are in chat, that's how many people are loggid in to twitch and have the stream open on the actual site.
Also don't forget there are people who don't have a twitch account.
I myself often just lurk in Fengrush's stream, or have him in the background while I'm playing.
His actual viewership is still among highest among eso streamers.
Also I don't understand people's obsession with the whole embed thing, him and Alcast have put in a lot of work for the website, have consistently streamed eso forever, so what's the problem?
Embedding streams are for exposure and I get it but it steals the limelight from other smaller eso streamers. When people look up a game they usually just go to the stream with the highest viewer count. Even without embedding fengrush would still have the most viewers because I know before embedding the dude can get 500 to 600 viewers easily but 5k is basically a show stealer. Who cares about the guy with 200 viewers when I can go to mr gigachad streamer over here with 5k plus viewers and see what's going on. What's so special that he has all the viewers?. At least that the rational of many top twitch streamers when they accuse somebody of manipulating their viewer count. Same thing is happening with Valorant, people are faking their stream titles with clickbait to get more viewers and be on the top of the list. Granted is not the same thing as embedding but they are playing the viewership system and that's extremely frowned uppon.2 -
SebDeTyra✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »It does bring up a question though - I notice a lot of poeple talking about how skillful endgame content is why people watch streams, but does anyone watch streams for the streamer's personality? Like I feel that if a streamer was able to manhandle every piece of endgame content flawlessly, people would watch even if they had the personality of a dead fish. But if a streamer had a great personality, would people watch even if their endgame content was a complete clown-shoes crapshow?
I've only ever watched streamers for their PvP skills, never for their personalities. This is the downfall for a lot of streamers who switch games and lose all their following as they deluded themselves into thinking they all loved them as a person and not because they were good at this particular game.2 -
Dottzgaming✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »As someone who has a rather incredibly small Youtube channel, I'm trying to figure out how people have the time to keep updating multiple things. Like Dottz, you mentioned steaming, PLUS a youtube channel, PLUS a full website. I have enough time in my week to maybe record a video or two and do the editing on them. If I tried to add a website and a stream to that I think my schedule would implode hahaha
haha yeah man it can be alot at times, especially if you have another full time job! Before i was a full time creator (cant believe i can even say that now, it's crazy), i would work my normal 9-5 five days a week and do all of my content creation at night, and i did that for a couple years and it was exhausting. But, thankfully things have grown enough that i was able to knock down my 9-5 to a part time job, and now i do said job freelance and am able to do content creation full time!
But anyway back to the OPs point, I do stream ESO regularly. Right now, my schedule for what i do is Small scale pvp (usually 2vX) on mondays, large scale pvp with stream viewers tuesday, Weds is usually my free day where i do misc. things in ESO (or pvp if i dont have anything to do) or maybe play a diff game, & Thurs is progression Trials. Sundays are a subscriber stream day where ill usually play whatever twitch subs want me to play.
So if any of that interests you, you can find my stream at twitch.tv/dottzgaming
Also, the whole stream embed thing i've seen pop up on the thread, i throw my 2 cents in on it. I personally had one on my website for awhile to but i never wanted it for the external viewership, i just wanted it for the advertisement. When you have a website that gets a ton of traffic and you want to convert that over to your other socials, it makes sense to try and put your stream in front of as many people as possible (i think of it as a billboard in a way). But, i got so tired of the external viewers counting, and even though they are real people who are seeing my stream, they arent intentionally viewing it, so i started to explore alternative options.
So i know me personally, my embed is now setup with the autoplay feature turned off. So if im live, itll show im live, but the stream wont be playing (it'll now be paused by default) and will instead show a play button on the stream. That way, if someone wants to watch while they browse my site, they can click play, watch, and count as a viewer! If not, they just browse my site and arent added into my streams viewer count. For me, that's the best solution right now to still get my stream advertised on my site (which is my goal with it) but not have unintentionally viewing externals count.Edited by Dottzgaming on May 15, 2020 5:35PM1 -
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Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.
I love Fengrush he is very entertaining to watch.
But you can easily check the number of users in chat vs viewership number, it's nowhere near.starkerealm wrote: »
Not really, Fengrush's been playing Mount and Blade with the similar numbers and people still talk eso in the chat.
You do realize they are not legit viewers actually watching the stream right? Their stream gets 5k but chat is more dead than a streamer with legit 100 viewers.
I don't know what streams you're watching, but 100 live viewers tends to produce a pretty lively stream. Hell moderating 20 people for MilkViper means I need to keep an eye on chat when I'm doing something else. Bert usually has at least 100, and when I'm there, I'm grateful that I'm not the only moderator.
So, @Sylosi, how many of those views are, "fake embeds?" Don't just say, "a large slice." Give us the exact number.
That's what I meant, a stream with 100 viewers is more lively than fengrush's or alcast streams do with 5k viewers. You want to see someone with real 5k+ viewers go watch dellor on youtube. Then compare. I watched acemercspro when he used to play eso and he averaged 200 viewers. He used to get that number or more but eso is so bad right now he rarely hops in anymore and when he does he gets 30 to 80 viewers now. I've seen my fair share of streamers with 100-200 viewers, ds_lily from POE is another one. She has legit viewers, her chat, well her chat... huuuh is something "special"
You can view how many viewers are in chat, that's how many people are loggid in to twitch and have the stream open on the actual site.
Also don't forget there are people who don't have a twitch account.
I myself often just lurk in Fengrush's stream, or have him in the background while I'm playing.
His actual viewership is still among highest among eso streamers.
Also I don't understand people's obsession with the whole embed thing, him and Alcast have put in a lot of work for the website, have consistently streamed eso forever, so what's the problem?
Embedding streams are for exposure and I get it but it steals the limelight from other smaller eso streamers. When people look up a game they usually just go to the stream with the highest viewer count. Even without embedding fengrush would still have the most viewers because I know before embedding the dude can get 500 to 600 viewers easily but 5k is basically a show stealer. Who cares about the guy with 200 viewers when I can go to mr gigachad streamer over here with 5k plus viewers and see what's going on. What's so special that he has all the viewers?. At least that the rational of many top twitch streamers when they accuse somebody of manipulating their viewer count. Same thing is happening with Valorant, people are faking their stream titles with clickbait to get more viewers and be on the top of the list. Granted is not the same thing as embedding but they are playing the viewership system and that's extremely frowned uppon.
This isn't an ESO problem, it affects Twitch as a whole. The big offender that used to be in the ESO directory is Fextralife. That one is a "5k 'viewers' from embeds." They're pulling their views from any of the Fextralife wikis, and directing them to their current stream. Specifically, at the time of writing, Fextralife is pulling down 38k viewers total.
The Valorant situation is entirely different, and deeply messed up in its own right. Riot is handing out beta keys for watching a couple hours of a broadcast from any streamer. This means streamers are running footage from earlier streams, because people are willing to watch and the internal Twitch rerun system doesn't count.
Clickbait titles are a real problem. There was a lot of "quiet" drama last year when drops were turned on for Stream Team but not for everyone in the directory, but people without drops were putting that in their stream titles.
It's easy to see bad faith actors and assume the whole place is a cesspool, but that's really not the case. Embedding is a hot topic though, and a lot of streamers are not happy about it, including in the ESO directory. But, it's nowhere near as effective as you think.0