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Lack of streamer presence?
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seaef✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »The only streamers left and the ones you listed aren't very good players and why would someone want to watch someone who isn't very good at the game play it?
I don't know why you'd want to watch anyone play a game. This whole streamer thing (let alone the insanity that people can earn money at it) just baffles me.
Same. It's utterly bizarre. The apex of boredom is me watching someone ELSE play games when I could be doing it myself. Seriously.
Both of these can happen at the same time.
No, not really.
https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/can-humans-actually-multitask.html
*looks at the three monitors on his desk*
*looks back at @starlock*
You'r not multitasking, [snip]. You're switching your attention between tasks, but focusing on one task at a time.
[Edited for Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on May 13, 2020 11:10PM"The Illuminati are very achievement focused. It's like Xbox - only everything is hardcore."
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D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭UGotBenched91 wrote: »Hmm so I’m just curious why does it seem this game has a lack of streamer presence when compared to other similar games?
Who cares? Gaming survived for decades without streamers, it will continue to survive if the day comes that streaming stops. Play the game yourself.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »The only streamers left and the ones you listed aren't very good players and why would someone want to watch someone who isn't very good at the game play it?
I don't know why you'd want to watch anyone play a game. This whole streamer thing (let alone the insanity that people can earn money at it) just baffles me.
edit: yes, yes - "old man yells at cloud".
You could apply that towards people who watch sports.
Watching Micheal Jordan dunk is a bit different to watching someone sit on their arse and push buttons on a controller. I can’t dunk like Jordan, but I can push buttons on a controller.
The point I was trying to make is that it's simply entertainment.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »The only streamers left and the ones you listed aren't very good players and why would someone want to watch someone who isn't very good at the game play it?
I don't know why you'd want to watch anyone play a game. This whole streamer thing (let alone the insanity that people can earn money at it) just baffles me.
Same. It's utterly bizarre. The apex of boredom is me watching someone ELSE play games when I could be doing it myself. Seriously.
Both of these can happen at the same time.
No, not really.
https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/can-humans-actually-multitask.html
*looks at the three monitors on his desk*
*looks back at @starlock*
You'r not multitasking, [snip]. You're switching your attention between tasks, but focusing on one task at a time.
I feel like misspelling "you're" is especially ironic here.
Also, yeah, switching attention between multiple tasks is a thing.
Oh, wait, "multiple tasks," that sounds familiar.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on May 13, 2020 11:11PM5 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭Want to know a sincere secret?More players 'stream' than you think.
Some more popular than others, ofcourse. You would never hear of them if they weren't.
But, most importantly, ever since a viral informative video released on Youtube and Twitch, people also figured out on their own that when you broadcast and stream your own gameplay, you can cause others around you to "lag" and experience choppy gameplay.
#FoodForThoughtEdited by Indoril_Nerevar on May 13, 2020 2:10AM2 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm more curious if people actually watch the streams or turn them on for drops.
They'll always mushroom up when drops are enabled because it pretty much guarantees them viewers. Or "viewers", whichever you prefer.Edited by Dusk_Coven on May 13, 2020 8:33AM3 -
andreasv✭✭✭✭✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »Want to know a sincere secret?More players 'stream' than you think.
Some more popular than others, ofcourse. You would never hear of them if they weren't.
But, most importantly, ever since a viral informative video released on Youtube and Twitch, people also figured out on their own that when you broadcast and stream your own gameplay, you can cause others around you to "lag" and experience choppy gameplay.
#FoodForThought
[snip] If not, explain how streaming (ie. software you're running on your end) has an impact on other player's performance.
[edited for baiting comment]Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on May 14, 2020 3:43PM0 -
Treb_U_Shae✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »The only streamers left and the ones you listed aren't very good players and why would someone want to watch someone who isn't very good at the game play it?
I don't know why you'd want to watch anyone play a game. This whole streamer thing (let alone the insanity that people can earn money at it) just baffles me.
Same. It's utterly bizarre. The apex of boredom is me watching someone ELSE play games when I could be doing it myself. Seriously.
Both of these can happen at the same time.
No, not really.
https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/can-humans-actually-multitask.html
*looks at the three monitors on his desk*
*looks back at @starlock*
You'r not multitasking, genius. You're switching your attention between tasks, but focusing on one task at a time.
I feel like misspelling "you're" is especially ironic here.
Also, yeah, switching attention between multiple tasks is a thing.
Oh, wait, "multiple tasks," that sounds familiar.
It might not be us watching Michael Jordan playing basketball, but somebody is getting dunked on in here.
I watch streams all day long on one monitor, drops or not, and complete my work (yep actual work) on my other two screens. I am in between an application loading doing one task, or responding to a message in another. By the time this application loads, I am commanding another to fire, open, or login, generating new commands/starting new tasks while the initial is still processing. Just a matter of maximizing efficiency, that's all.
But you're doing just fine in your explanation. However, I disagree, since I am multitasking all day long, both at work and play. Can you not pat your head and rub your belly simultaneously?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭There are always some eso streamers to watch on Twitch. The thing is most of the time they do "casual" content. Less & less people are doing end game PvE & PvP. But there are some that still do.
Alcast for example is doing end game PvE (but not 24/7 lol) and for PvP there is Fengrush for example.
btw. Since we are on the subject of twitch I just wanted to ask, Is your twitch status activity working (under your account name in right top corner) ?
Mine says I am online... and that is about it. It does not show that I am watching X Chanel, broadcasting transmission form X game. And I know it should, as it used to do. Started yesterday for me. Is it broken just for me ? ? ?
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✭✭✭✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »Want to know a sincere secret?More players 'stream' than you think.
Some more popular than others, ofcourse. You would never hear of them if they weren't.
But, most importantly, ever since a viral informative video released on Youtube and Twitch, people also figured out on their own that when you broadcast and stream your own gameplay, you can cause others around you to "lag" and experience choppy gameplay.
#FoodForThought
[snip] If not, explain how streaming (ie. software you're running on your end) has an impact on other player's performance.
Exactly, the only person you could theoretically cause to lag would be yourself because of local bandwidth and resource consumption.Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on May 14, 2020 3:43PM2 -
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✭UGotBenched91 wrote: »Hmm so I’m just curious why does it seem this game has a lack of streamer presence when compared to other similar games?
There really isn't anything interesting or engaging worth streaming. PvP Maybe, but from what the PvPr's say, it is a lag fill mess, so that wouldn't really get viewers.
PvE wise, the game isn't really all that great in terms of challenges outside of a small handful of Vet Hard Mode No Death stuff. The majority of the dungeons and trials compared to other MMOs don't really require a super tight teamwork or communication. The game is fine to play, but boring as all hell to watch.PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc2 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭UGotBenched91 wrote: »Hmm so I’m just curious why does it seem this game has a lack of streamer presence when compared to other similar games?
The two bigger ones from PvP back in the day that no longer play are SypherPK and KingRichard. Fengrush is still very much going strong on the daily PvP grind, although he is playing other games due to the poor state of the game, and then you have Alcast on the PvE side still pulling strong numbers. The directory goes very flat after that no matter how hard streamers try due to the game not being super streamable(PvE content isn't super watchable and PvP is in a bad place).2 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS only actively supports streamers who intentionally avoid competitive or end-game gameplay. This might be due to the fact that this game’s flaws tend to be magnified in end-game situations but aren’t visible in beginner-player streams.
Speaking as a PvP streamer, it’s impossible for me to be streaming cyrodil PvP during primetime. BG PvP has 15 minute wait times between each BG, which leads to many viewers leaving the stream. I try to duel in between BG queues but then that means I’m going into a BG on a dueling setup rather than a support toon, which means if I don’t get some resto backbar bois on my team ima lose.
ZOS has put together a stream team and reaches out to streamers. But the streamers they reach out to tend to be people who show off how they designed their house, or people who focus on the costume system or the questing system.. all of which are designed for brand new players and which work flawlessly.
Until the end-game for PvP or PvE actually work, ZOS won’t want to support streamers who focus on those areas because you can’t stream that content without making this game’s flaws glaringly obvious to the stream viewers and people considering buying or returning to the game.
It’s tragic but from a business standpoint I understand why they do it.Edited by Thogard on May 13, 2020 2:28PMPC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Sange13✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »The only streamers left and the ones you listed aren't very good players and why would someone want to watch someone who isn't very good at the game play it?
I don't know why you'd want to watch anyone play a game. This whole streamer thing (let alone the insanity that people can earn money at it) just baffles me.
edit: yes, yes - "old man yells at cloud".
You could apply that towards people who watch sports.
Or people who use forums...IGN: Sange-130 -
The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS only actively supports streamers who intentionally avoid competitive or end-game gameplay. This might be due to the fact that this game’s flaws tend to be magnified in end-game situations but aren’t visible in beginner-player streams.
Speaking as a PvP streamer, it’s impossible for me to be streaming cyrodil PvP during primetime. BG PvP has 15 minute wait times between each BG, which leads to many viewers leaving the stream. I try to duel in between BG queues but then that means I’m going into a BG on a dueling setup rather than a support toon, which means if I don’t get some resto backbar bois on my team ima lose.
ZOS has put together a stream team and reaches out to streamers. But the streamers they reach out to tend to be people who show off how they designed their house, or people who focus on the costume system or the questing system.. all of which are designed for brand new players and which work flawlessly.
Until the end-game for PvP or PvE actually work, ZOS won’t want to support streamers who focus on those areas because you can’t stream that content without making this game’s flaws glaringly obvious to the stream viewers and people considering buying or returning to the game.
It’s tragic but from a business standpoint I understand why they do it.
This is very well said.
In a way, it's an unstated acknowledgment that end game performance has worsened. It's also an implied statement that they have no intention (or ability?) to fix the end game issues.
Edited by The_Lex on May 13, 2020 2:41PM5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Two things:
First, it seems that the people who stream pvp-related stuff get magnitudes more viewers that those who are strictly pve or single-player games, regardless. Fortnite is popular; Fortnite is pvp. Skyrim (while old) is still popular, and Skyrim is pve. Fortnite will always have more viewers than Skyrim, because it doesn't take a truly skilled player to do even remotely well at Skyrim, and people enjoy watching a skilled person use their skills.
Second, it seems that most of the bigger-viewership streamers have gravitated towards BG games, and I think that's partly because it's easy for a viewer to step in and out and not miss a whole lot. So-and-so is playing a round of PUBG. They're shooting people; they're finding things, whee. Viewer grabs some food, or goes to john, and comes back, and So-and-so is still shooting things and finding things, whee. Nothing missed. If a streamer's playing a long-burn single player game, a viewer might come back and wonder what the heck happened in the story while they left. I guess what I'm saying is that it's easier to watch something or have it in the background when it's the game version of white noise.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.3 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You'r not multitasking, genius. You're switching your attention between tasks, but focusing on one task at a time.
Eh, no need to be crude about it - ignorance about this is very common. The myth of multitasking is a popular one these days and learning about how human attention works isn't exactly covered in public education (unless you're lucky). I think more teachers are starting to address it in their classrooms, though, because it's a serious impediment to student learning.1 -
Kingslayer513✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS only actively supports streamers who intentionally avoid competitive or end-game gameplay. This might be due to the fact that this game’s flaws tend to be magnified in end-game situations but aren’t visible in beginner-player streams.
Speaking as a PvP streamer, it’s impossible for me to be streaming cyrodil PvP during primetime. BG PvP has 15 minute wait times between each BG, which leads to many viewers leaving the stream. I try to duel in between BG queues but then that means I’m going into a BG on a dueling setup rather than a support toon, which means if I don’t get some resto backbar bois on my team ima lose.
ZOS has put together a stream team and reaches out to streamers. But the streamers they reach out to tend to be people who show off how they designed their house, or people who focus on the costume system or the questing system.. all of which are designed for brand new players and which work flawlessly.
Until the end-game for PvP or PvE actually work, ZOS won’t want to support streamers who focus on those areas because you can’t stream that content without making this game’s flaws glaringly obvious to the stream viewers and people considering buying or returning to the game.
It’s tragic but from a business standpoint I understand why they do it.
Very well said. Additionally, streamers who play competitive content tend to be more vocal about the performance issues (because it actually matters for competitive play). ZOS tries to distance themselves from people who point out what's wrong with the game.2 -
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✭UGotBenched91 wrote: »Hmm so I’m just curious why does it seem this game has a lack of streamer presence when compared to other similar games?
Who cares? Gaming survived for decades without streamers, it will continue to survive if the day comes that streaming stops. Play the game yourself.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »The only streamers left and the ones you listed aren't very good players and why would someone want to watch someone who isn't very good at the game play it?
I don't know why you'd want to watch anyone play a game. This whole streamer thing (let alone the insanity that people can earn money at it) just baffles me.
edit: yes, yes - "old man yells at cloud".
You could apply that towards people who watch sports.
Watching Micheal Jordan dunk is a bit different to watching someone sit on their arse and push buttons on a controller. I can’t dunk like Jordan, but I can push buttons on a controller.
Come back and post when you can get Godslayer. Or when you're at the top end of competitive pvp.
You can push buttons same as you can step out on a basketball court, but it doesn't make you worth watching.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kingslayer513 wrote: »UGotBenched91 wrote: »Hmm so I’m just curious why does it seem this game has a lack of streamer presence when compared to other similar games?
Who cares? Gaming survived for decades without streamers, it will continue to survive if the day comes that streaming stops. Play the game yourself.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »The only streamers left and the ones you listed aren't very good players and why would someone want to watch someone who isn't very good at the game play it?
I don't know why you'd want to watch anyone play a game. This whole streamer thing (let alone the insanity that people can earn money at it) just baffles me.
edit: yes, yes - "old man yells at cloud".
You could apply that towards people who watch sports.
Watching Micheal Jordan dunk is a bit different to watching someone sit on their arse and push buttons on a controller. I can’t dunk like Jordan, but I can push buttons on a controller.
Come back and post when you can get Godslayer. Or when you're at the top end of competitive pvp.
You can push buttons same as you can step out on a basketball court, but it doesn't make you worth watching.
Doesn't make someone getting Godslayer worth watching, either. It's not remotely as "sports highlights"/people talking about that amazing play over the watercooler/etc, as Jordan dunking is.
(or - amazing physical feats are a hell of a lot more obvious to the casual observer, than someone doing something 'skilled' in your typical videogame. Except for people who've done it themselves and/or know what the hell it is they're watching, all it looks like is flashing lights and confusing blur. Show someone who's not totally familiar with DotA a 'pro gaming' match, and see just how much they haven't a clue what's happening. Football receiver making absurd leap to catch a 60yd pass with one hand, is immediately accessible to any random viewer.)4 -
KMarble✭✭✭✭✭OP, if you need a few suggestions, I'll list some of the ones I watch (yes, even when I'm playing) and enjoy:
- BisLobo: PvP player who does it with honor and respect for other players. I wish and hope that his attitude will spread through more of the player base.
- Xynode: a bottomless well of knowledge and a no-nonsense approach, with dry sense of humor. Mostly does group content (PvE)
- CityComplex: amazingly good player who mostly does solo dungeon runs. Very helpful person who is willing to run content with his audience. I've been learning a lot from him. Very chill stream and the guy has an amazing voice.
- Gracefully_Lyris: lovely streamer who runs group content with her community. Very knowledgeable and approachable. Bonus points: she sometimes plays the violin in her streams
- Tonyactsout: (sorry if I got the name wrong) hilarious RP streamer whom I've seen do both PvE and PvP. A lot of work goes into his streams, with cut scenes and props. I have yet to see him get off character, even though his chat is very active and he interacts with them a lot.
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✭✭✭Market kinda closed for streamers now your eother alcast famous or a nobody. Though alot of streamers use only youtube and honestly if i cant find your name on a website I'm not likely gonna sit through a 30 min build tutorial. And lastly aside from 1vx and pve builds theres not a lot going on with this game...0 -
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✭UGotBenched91 wrote: »Hmm so I’m just curious why does it seem this game has a lack of streamer presence when compared to other similar games?
More Money with bigger audiences which other games provide....0 -
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✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »I don't know why you'd want to watch anyone play a game. This whole streamer thing (let alone the insanity that people can earn money at it) just baffles me.
^ This.You could apply that towards people who watch sports.
^ Also this.
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Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are several great streamers already listed in this thread, and I’d like to add Rubensky and @Nefas to the list of ESO streamers worth watching.
But the pool of both streamers and viewers is much smaller than it used to be. That’s largely because performance is bad, watching pvp streams is nearly as frustrating as playing pvp due to the lag and desyncs, and end game pve streams always include some form of the statement “let’s see if the mechanic works like it’s supposed to this time or if it’s bugged again”, and partially because it’s a 6 year old game without anything noteworthy to showcase to viewers.Edited by Reverb on May 13, 2020 6:03PMBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche2 -
orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭MMOs generally make poor games for streaming. Look at the break down of activities available to watch: battlegrounds, IC, cyrodil, trials, dungeons, overland, housing, role-playing, fishing, ect. Now of those activities which ones are worth watching?
I do watch several games on YouTube which include total war channels, planetside battles, and dawn of war 2 battles... as well as some eso pvp videos. But actual streamed content would have to have a set duration and objectives, better objectives than battle grounds but more constrained than cyrodil, large 24 man teams and a football esque feel to it. Such as two teams trying to move a dwarf construct across the field, to tear down fortification so then can grab an item... ect.
I'd watch that.0 -
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✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »The only streamers left and the ones you listed aren't very good players and why would someone want to watch someone who isn't very good at the game play it?
I don't know why you'd want to watch anyone play a game. This whole streamer thing (let alone the insanity that people can earn money at it) just baffles me.
edit: yes, yes - "old man yells at cloud".
agree.
I'm not old, yet, and I can't understand why someone wants to see someone play video games.
and the same happens to me with TV, I was 10 years old when I stopped watching television. 25 years without tv now.
I only pretend to see him when my wife forces me to watch one of his shows3 -
ItsJustHashtag✭✭✭✭There has not been a streamer stream in a while that was an extremely good player. The last was KodiPvP.
There is a severe lack of talent on streams these days where as in the past you could click on about a dozen streams and get good end game top tier action.
Currently there is probably 2-3 players worth watching due to their skill. There are dozens upon dozens of streams that are RP, housing, and low end pve/pvp that get a ton of views.
As Thogard mentioned it seems like those streams are tied to stream team members and the narrative that ZOS would like to push with their game on that platform at no fault to the streamers chosen.0 -
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Watching Micheal Jordan dunk is a bit different to watching someone sit on their arse and push buttons on a controller. I can’t dunk like Jordan, but I can push buttons on a controller.
Your dumbing it down to try prove your point lol. I can throw a ball in a net too, so I guess I shouldn't watch the sport then...
There is many reasons why people watch streams. Like just hanging out with friends, or to help them learn from someone more experienced.
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✭✭UGotBenched91 wrote: »Hmm so I’m just curious why does it seem this game has a lack of streamer presence when compared to other similar games?
because ESO community is mature@xarcs FR-EU-PC -Please visit my house ingame !
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