6.0.3 : Mist Form still not fixed
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Frenzy got completely broken, it might even put off gankers.
Mist Form is the same unusable PVE skill as it was.
Still, with the vampire cost reduction pretty well diluted, Mist Form is still very castable.
It's usability, that's where it still lies broken.
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Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on May 12, 2020 2:07PM Frenzy got completely broken, it might even put off gankers.
Mist Form is the same unusable PVE skill as it was.
Still, with the vampire cost reduction pretty well diluted, Mist Form is still very castable.
It's usability, that's where it still lies broken.
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How exactly is Mist Form Unusable?
You can't use it as an alternative to Block, at least in PvE. I don't know in PvP.
You could use it sometimes, but bosses, and even mobs, will push you out of Mist Form once at a few seconds.
You can't pre-block just to be Blocking when it fails, because Blocking puts you out of it.
You have to be aware they pushed you out and then take some measures. That's when you take damage."Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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✭✭✭✭✭Mistform is very usable as an escape tool and getting close to a target using very powerful skills + stuns. When you leave the form your spell and weapon damage is boosted by 300 when you're stages 2 through 4. I actually quite like it and its saved my life plenty of times in PVP. Its anything but useless right now.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK3 -
Mistform is very usable as an escape tool and getting close to a target using very powerful skills + stuns. When you leave the form your spell and weapon damage is boosted by 300 when you're stages 2 through 4. I actually quite like it and its saved my life plenty of times in PVP. Its anything but useless right now.
I never wanted it to be an escape tool. I wanted it to be a resilience tool. While I understand that Ellusive Mist is designed as an Escape tool, Blood Mist has to be usable in combat. That's why it has damage and healing: it presumes you stay in.Edited by fxeconomisteb17_ESO on May 12, 2020 12:47AM"Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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✭✭✭✭✭Vampires in lore have used mistform as a tool to get away from vampire hunters or to get into places they shouldn't. It was very rarely used as a resilience tool since vampires are incredibly hard to kill.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK2 -
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✭fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »How exactly is Mist Form Unusable?
You can't use it as an alternative to Block, at least in PvE. I don't know in PvP.
You could use it sometimes, but bosses, and even mobs, will push you out of Mist Form once at a few seconds.
You can't pre-block just to be Blocking when it fails, because Blocking puts you out of it.
You have to be aware they pushed you out and then take some measures. That's when you take damage.
Its not an alternative to block, why would you expect it to be?
Ive never been pushed out of mist form
Yes blocking has always pulled you out of mist form, because its a snare removal/ escape tool
Again, ive never experienced being push out of mist form but once it ends you can then block/ heal like normal.PS NA
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Vampires in lore have used mistform as a tool to get away from vampire hunters or to get into places they shouldn't. It was very rarely used as a resilience tool since vampires are incredibly hard to kill.
I've seen Vampire mobs moving like that. But still foes can see it. It's not like Nightblade invisibility."Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »How exactly is Mist Form Unusable?
You can't use it as an alternative to Block, at least in PvE. I don't know in PvP.
You could use it sometimes, but bosses, and even mobs, will push you out of Mist Form once at a few seconds.
You can't pre-block just to be Blocking when it fails, because Blocking puts you out of it.
You have to be aware they pushed you out and then take some measures. That's when you take damage.
Its not an alternative to block, why would you expect it to be?
Ive never been pushed out of mist form
Yes blocking has always pulled you out of mist form, because its a snare removal/ escape tool
Again, ive never experienced being push out of mist form but once it ends you can then block/ heal like normal.
If you would be unpushable from Mist Form, it would be an alternative to block. You would depend only on magicka management, like blocking with a frost staff.
You wanna see how bad it is ? Go in Skyreach Catacombs. Or try Inspector Garron in Wayrest Sewers I. Rats and other fighters don't push you out of it."Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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I mean this is the thing: THE SKILL HAS TO BE RELIABLE ON.
If I know I have X magicka and I last for N seconds, I have to know it's reliable on, when I go into fight."Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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✭✭✭✭✭fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »
I've seen Vampire mobs moving like that. But still foes can see it. It's not like Nightblade invisibility.
I never said it was an invisibility spell. I said it was an escape tool and way for vampires to get into places they shouldn't.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭How exactly is Mist Form Unusable?
Exactly.
That first sentence is one that will immediately alert Zos that this is well thought constructive feedback yet the OP states nothing.
Even in their follow up to your comment they still say nothing that makes sense. As someone who has enjoyed using Elusive mist in both PvP and PvE (certain trials) I see the greater control we have with mist form being a toggle a great change.
Heck, this is the one change to the vampire line that many of us like and the cost before today's changes were much improved per second than what we have on live at all stages. I have not tested the cost changes made today but I expect it will still be favorable.
Unless OP is able to explain how they are challenged with the changes even though they bring us greater control then there is not much for Zos to work with here.
Below is OP's recent thread stating "Mist Form must become an alternative to block" in which few, if any, agreed with them. As such their premise that Zos does not give a (whatever) about what we say is totally false.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/526231/mist-form-must-become-alternate-to-blocking-this-is-the-only-fix#latest
Their other thread on a very similar topic had one person reply.
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I see the greater control we have with mist form being a toggle a great change.
Then I would certainly prefer Nightblade Invisibility as a toggle. Less effort to cast.
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✭✭✭✭✭fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »I mean this is the thing: THE SKILL HAS TO BE RELIABLE ON.
If I know I have X magicka and I last for N seconds, I have to know it's reliable on, when I go into fight.
It is VERY reliable! Unless you're an idiot and spamming the button, when its activated it STAYS activated! You're immune to ALL forms of crowd control while in mistform and it is physically IMPOSSIBLE to get pulled out! ((I can use caps to))
There are 0 issues with mistform right now. Bloodmist is amazing in PVE since you're rendered unkillable and Elusive mist in PVP is one of my favorite skills in the game! I think you experienced some lag or connection issue making the server not realize you turned the skill on, its not the fault of the skill itself.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »
Heck, I would like cloak to be a toggle also but that is rather irrelevant and it seems you are trying to derail your own thread.
To help you with that, the problem with cloak being on a toggle is it turns the NB invisible and cannot be tracked unless the player is skilled and pulls the NB out of cloak. Granted, it does have counters to which mist form does not. Both points note that the two skills are not very comparable.
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fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »I mean this is the thing: THE SKILL HAS TO BE RELIABLE ON.
If I know I have X magicka and I last for N seconds, I have to know it's reliable on, when I go into fight.
It is VERY reliable! Unless you're an idiot and spamming the button, when its activated it STAYS activated! You're immune to ALL forms of crowd control while in mistform and it is physically IMPOSSIBLE to get pulled out! ((I can use caps to))
There are 0 issues with mistform right now. Bloodmist is amazing in PVE since you're rendered unkillable and Elusive mist in PVP is one of my favorite skills in the game! I think you experienced some lag or connection issue making the server not realize you turned the skill on, its not the fault of the skill itself.
Look, don't call me an idiot, just go to Skyreach Catacombs. It's really simple to test it. Or if you're bold, try to go in a dungeon and try Mist Form when confronting with bosses. You will be solo so no need to taunt. I did it with Inspector Garron but I think most bosses will be able to take you out of Mist Form.
So, bottom line : I PROVOKE YOU ! TEST IT IN SKYREACH CATACOMBS. And if regular mobs can do that, then case closed. It's bugged, and it's bugged because of how they scripted NPC fighting skills.Edited by fxeconomisteb17_ESO on May 12, 2020 6:31AM"Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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Now about the alternative to blocking, especially Blood Mist is made as a tanking skill. It takes out 75% of the damage,
while doing damage and healing. It's designed to be used in the battle.
The problem is, if it's bugged, you won't be able to use it as advertised, you will have to block. When you want to block,
it won't be possible, cause you have jewelry enchanted to help with Mist Form.
So Mist Form has to work perfectly, as advertised, and it will be an alternative to Block.
Of course, there was the other opinion too, to transform it in a Block for vampires - when pushing the right mouse button,
to go into Mist Form instead of regular block. That idea came out for the reason to use a common jewelry set for both Mist Form cost reduction and Block cost reduction.
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✭fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »Now about the alternative to blocking, especially Blood Mist is made as a tanking skill. It takes out 75% of the damage,
while doing damage and healing. It's designed to be used in the battle.
The problem is, if it's bugged, you won't be able to use it as advertised, you will have to block. When you want to block,
it won't be possible, cause you have jewelry enchanted to help with Mist Form.
So Mist Form has to work perfectly, as advertised, and it will be an alternative to Block.
Of course, there was the other opinion too, to transform it in a Block for vampires - when pushing the right mouse button,
to go into Mist Form instead of regular block. That idea came out for the reason to use a common jewelry set for both Mist Form cost reduction and Block cost reduction.
But its not designed to be a tanking skill.PS NA
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✭So I went into Skyreach, to see exactly what you are referring too. And yes the NPCs do stun you out of mist form when they do their charged stun BUT this is a know issue since Harrowstorm being stunned and snared through mist form. Even being stunned through block by Bosses in PvE.
The other night in PVP i had to cc break 5 times in a row. This comes down to the games deplorable performance at the moment.PS NA
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✭✭✭✭Mistform is very usable as an escape tool and getting close to a target using very powerful skills + stuns.[...]
Not only as an escape tool i think.
I am not on PTS, so i have to ask if you are still able to precast skills before moving to mistform?
Imagine ballgroups (maybe with vicious death, grothdarr and so on...) precast destro or warden ulti and then push while permanently in mistform.....
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But its not designed to be a tanking skill.
C'mon man, this is not Soviet Union, we have to be able to use the skill accordingly to what it is, not accordingly to what they want it to be used for. What's the fun then ?
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Mistform is very usable as an escape tool and getting close to a target using very powerful skills + stuns.[...]
Not only as an escape tool i think.
I am not on PTS, so i have to ask if you are still able to precast skills before moving to mistform?
Imagine ballgroups (maybe with vicious death, grothdarr and so on...) precast destro or warden ulti and then push while permanently in mistform.....
Templars can stay almost permanently in Mist Form. Almost.
Unless you're pulled out by mobs with a nasty scripting.Edited by fxeconomisteb17_ESO on May 12, 2020 7:08AM"Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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✭fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »
Yes and it is primarily and escape tool.
Sure the damage reduction great for tanks but that doesn’t mean it’s a tank skill and why do you think you should be able to block while in mist form?PS NA
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Yes and it is primarily and escape tool.
Sure the damage reduction great for tanks but that doesn’t mean it’s a tank skill and why do you think you should be able to block while in mist form?
Blocking adds 50% mitigation.
Mist form adds 75% mitigation.
Isn't damage mitigation the reason to block ?
Looks to me like a block alternative."Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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So I went into Skyreach, to see exactly what you are referring too. And yes the NPCs do stun you out of mist form when they do their charged stun BUT this is a know issue since Harrowstorm being stunned and snared through mist form. Even being stunned through block by Bosses in PvE.
The other night in PVP i had to cc break 5 times in a row. This comes down to the games deplorable performance at the moment.
I'm glad you went to Skyreach to give it a try. I didn't know it was a known issue since so early - Harrowstorm. For me could have been since the beginning. Also, I don't think it's so hard to fix. It's a coding issue. They have to insert a line or two to impeach the ability to take you out from Mist Form. Can you give me a link to read about where they wrote about this known issue?
What do you mean by having to cc break 5 times ? Were you CCed more than usual ? Think iIt happens all the time in PVP. I would say the problem of PVP is that it's mostly CC based."Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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✭✭NPC CC is weird, really really weird. Overland Mobs can snare you through race against time/Shuffle/Forward Momentum, can probably also stun you through immovable (never tried that tho so just guessing here) mistform being wonky Comes as no surprise.Politeness is respecting others.
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Sanguinor2 wrote: »NPC CC is weird, really really weird. Overland Mobs can snare you through race against time/Shuffle/Forward Momentum, can probably also stun you through immovable (never tried that tho so just guessing here) mistform being wonky Comes as no surprise.
I am not exactly sure about Immovable. Went to Skyreach. Tried it before Mist Form. It seemed it was not breakable during the CC immunity period, however I am not sure about it."Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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✭fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »
Yes and it is primarily and escape tool.
Sure the damage reduction great for tanks but that doesn’t mean it’s a tank skill and why do you think you should be able to block while in mist form?
Blocking adds 50% mitigation.
Mist form adds 75% mitigation.
Isn't damage mitigation the reason to block ?
Looks to me like a block alternative.
Not always. Using block slows your movements speed and lets you cast heals and other skills. While mist form Improves movement by snare immunity and expedition (elusive morph) but you cannot do anything else, otherwise you are removed from mist form, it’s just a defensive skill to reposition yourself and take less damage while moving.
I get what you saying but 75% damage mitigation in addition to block mitigation plus all other forms of damage mitigation is crazy.PS NA
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fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »
Yes and it is primarily and escape tool.
Sure the damage reduction great for tanks but that doesn’t mean it’s a tank skill and why do you think you should be able to block while in mist form?
Blocking adds 50% mitigation.
Mist form adds 75% mitigation.
Isn't damage mitigation the reason to block ?
Looks to me like a block alternative.
Not always. Using block slows your movements speed and lets you cast heals and other skills. While mist form Improves movement by snare immunity and expedition (elusive morph) but you cannot do anything else, otherwise you are removed from mist form, it’s just a defensive skill to reposition yourself and take less damage while moving.
I get what you saying but 75% damage mitigation in addition to block mitigation plus all other forms of damage mitigation is crazy.
Well you can't have Mist Form and Blocking at the same time. However, the 75% plus all others is really strong. For me is the reason to be vampire. So if I'm giving up health regen I give up for something that has to matter. If it doesn't matter because - bugs - then vampire drops under the threshold of significance. It would just have costs for... what ?
Blood Mist is not good in itself - it doesn't offer too much over the Ellusive Mist. But what it offers - DoT and heal - can at least proc something else. So it's an important cog in this automatic fighting machine. But if this cog is broken there ain't gonna be any fighting machine, will be just a broken toon.
Furthermore, blocking is impossible as a Mist Vampire, because jewelry is enchanted to lower the magicka costs. So if blocking is impossible, then the Mist has to work.Edited by fxeconomisteb17_ESO on May 12, 2020 11:57AM"Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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