crowfl56 wrote: »

Guys if you do actually read my post,

I do give credit to the good player, which imo there are many good players in pvp.

There are, and not many that have figured out how to exploit builds.

They are pro's at using LOS to reduce or even negate any damage.

There is the main exploit, LOS.

I do have reason, he he.

With the constant lag spikes, using LOS has become meta.

Sooooo here it come's, get rid of any LOS advantage's.

That in it self is way way way OP.

There are rare occasions that some players do exploit, but usually it is a matter of L2P for the player who thinks they are cheating.
LOS isn't an exploit and it is a fundamental part of PVP.
If you're not using LOS to your advantage in PVP, you're missing on great defensive and offensive tactics.

Sanctum74 wrote: »

loosely_human wrote: »

Heavy armor meta must die.

Lol most of those “unkillable” players are wearing medium, they just know what they are doing

My magblade wears 5 light 2 heavy with 30k spell resistance 26k physical resistance 😂

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

I've met several guys like the ones you describe, OP.. They just run from the entire squad after them around a farm tower's second floor, then they run upstairs to the roof, jump off back to the second floor and the merry-go-round repeats. I remember I was staying near a farm flag watching that chase and catch game and could not understand why didn't that runner simply run away or fall and respawn, I could not understand the point because that continued for quite a long time. Then I got bored, walked inside and upstairs to the roof. As soon as that guy came I just transformed into a werewolf and feared him - my squad killed him in a second. I've always been doing that since that time without waiting for my mates to kill such a runner - if I see the guy does not escape, I just go there and fear him, then he falls in a second. But still the reasons of those guys' behavior is out of my comprehension. It's so.. pointless.

You will also see them in the battlegrounds, literally unkillable but can 3-shot you, not sure how that is balanced... Pretty sure it's some sort of exploit/lag hack or something.

Or maybe the people who cannot kill the 1 guy are unskilled and need to get better at the game

Sure thing that makes perfect sense, dude sits in the middle of an open area with 6+ people bashing on him then he ultimates and we all die... Yup it definitely has to deal with skill.

You are absolutely correct, it has everything to do with skill - or rather the lack thereof, on part of the would-be Xv1'ers.

If you have 6 people "bashing on you", who are so highly focused on trying to kill you that they let their buffs and heals drop - then they might as well be handing AP to you on a silver plate, because their butts are grass and you are now the lawnmower.

Never mind that no actually skilled PvPer would let themselves end up in such an unfavorable situation to begin with - so we are clearly dealing with a textbook case of an outnumbered situation against players of rather low skill.

Gorgoneus wrote: »

skilled or not, prepared or not - one single guy shouldn't kill 10-15 people squad in any case, this is stupid and ridiculous.

Considering that frequently those 10-15 people aren't nearly as skilled as they tend to think they are, then maybe it is not so ridiculous after all.

You should try that yourself sometime - the whole "kite 10 enemy players and don't die" part is actually quite easy on a high mobility build with decent mitigation, the hard part is to carefully separate them and individually burst them down in a series of 1v1's.

The kind of players that tends to "fall for it" is also usually the kind of players that isn't very skilled at PvP, which makes this whole ordeal easier than it initially appears.
That's the whole "dirty secret" of "1vXing", right there for everyone to see.

Gorgoneus wrote: »

Reminds me situation in neverwinter online with AFK! AFK! guy who stood against 15 people raid and can't be killed, because of "proper" build with 99% damage reduction, active regeneration and self charging wards.

Thankfully, ESO has a much more active approach to combat - and as such it is literally impossible to achieve that kind of "AFK immortality" in ESO, unless you use cheating programs.

There's not even a real counter to the ones that try to bait you away, cause they're always watching you and if they see you stop chasing they will about face and run you down. Good luck having your friendly randoms watch your back when that happens.

Wow, I haven't logged onto ESO for a week or two and I definitely don't miss this game's PvP whatsoever. Been busy playing Planetside where everyone has an equal chance at fighting everyone else.

The more various sets and skills are nerfed...the more you'll get infinite healers and infinite dps toons who use their advantage of knowing the game to boost their stats even more due to nerfs of other sets and skills.

And guess what. Once the secret is out...more nerfs...and they've already moved on...to something else.

It's a pointless catch up game where most players generally lose because like me, I'm not in the know, and that one skill I could spam on those much more experienced players...is now taken away.

My advice. Instead of nerfing the sets and skills some players use over the majority...how about trying to BUFF some sets and skills so players can take them out.

EmEm_Oh wrote: »

My advice. Instead of nerfing the sets and skills some players use over the majority...how about trying to BUFF some sets and skills so players can take them out.

The problem with this approach is that your newly buffed set is going to end up in the skilled player's hands too . More slaughter and the circle continues. The only way to end this is to learn the skills needed to counter these players (lots of time patience and practice that we can't all invest) or counter them by not taking the bait.

Ryath_Waylander wrote: »

EmEm_Oh wrote: »

My advice. Instead of nerfing the sets and skills some players use over the majority...how about trying to BUFF some sets and skills so players can take them out.

The problem with this approach is that your newly buffed set is going to end up in the skilled player's hands too . More slaughter and the circle continues. The only way to end this is to learn the skills needed to counter these players (lots of time patience and practice that we can't all invest) or counter them by not taking the bait.

Yes - just look at what happened with various "ballgroup killer" abilities: negate, timestop, magicka detonation, to name a few.

Those abilities, which were originally intended to be the counter against ballgroups, are ironically most effectively utilized by the very ballgroups they were meant to counter.
Go think about that one for a while.
(EDIT: oops, quoting fail)

- Troll Tanks in cyro/bg i can understand. They can take a beating but hit like a wet noodle

however...

- certain builds utilizing certain sets are over-performing hugely, not even by a small margin, but into absurd territory. They are capable of taking massive amounts of Dmg and still having ample int he tank left to set-up a huge combo, that kills almost everything except another build like theirs or a troll tank. If they fail the burst, well no problem, they can sustain for days.

and...

- factor in the lag

=

There is nothing balanced about cyro/bg at all. Remove a few grossly over performing sets that people are relying on for "skill" (max sarcasm intended), and things might feel a little bit less absurd. However, all things said and done.

Lag wins, not the sets, not the player. Its not skill, its just lag. You can actually build for lag in mind, and this is what ruins pvp experience for everyone.

Gorgoneus wrote: »

[snip] they are hypocritically deny the main thing: skilled or not, prepared or not - one single guy shouldn't kill 10-15 people squad in any case, this is stupid and ridiculous. Reminds me situation in neverwinter online with AFK! AFK! guy who stood against 15 people raid and can't be killed, because of "proper" build with 99% damage reduction, active regeneration and self charging wards. [snip]
[edited for baiting]

No one guy kills 15 people. The goal of 1vX is to string the fight out into a series of back-to-back 1v1 fights. 1v15 is impossible on anything other than a magblade bomber.

If the 15 get separated then they aren’t 15 anymore. That’s why I disagree strongly with your reasoning.

As far as MMOs go this game allows for a wider gap between players based on skill more than any I have played. The main factor probably being animation cancelling, because some players are great at it, some are ok and some can't do it and it is a huge advantage to players that can play ultra fast. The other is short duration buffs, the faster you can play the better you can keep them up. These things lead to "the unkillable player". This game is made for two types of players. The very casual with the quests and story lines and the high end gamers that have great reflexes and play ultra fast. The PvP is great in this game if you are at the high end or playing against equally skilled players but can be frustrating for the average person going against good players. It's a unique game for sure and awesome for those that can take full advantage of the inherent quirks they have with animation cancelling and such. If they were looking to balance the game they would have probably addressed the things people can most take advantage of (ie. Animation cancelling), it wouldn't change that the same players would still be the best, the game just wouldn't be this lopsided. Personally I feel like they leave too much room/things that people can take advantage of and leave too much room to create for the skill gap, but it's how they want it and the game is nice. I'm personally more of a fan of a more traditional PvP game like DAOC(imo, the best ever), hopefully Camelot unchained will live up to it's predecessor. This is a great game for arcade type players and role players.

loosely_human wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

loosely_human wrote: »

Heavy armor meta must die.

Lol most of those “unkillable” players are wearing medium, they just know what they are doing

Source?

most meta players run 2 piece heavy and 5 medium, like myself and i still get around 30k resistance and 7k wep dmg its just that all the sets nowadays are just to overpowered and a good player running those just makes them unkillable while doing insane damage