Vevvev wrote: »

Apparently this is how its going to be and it looks like nothing will change their minds. Either that or they are taking forever to change things. The second scenario is more hopeful but probably the wrong one

At this point @ZOS_GinaBruno should stop posting feedback threads if they're not going to encourage the transparency of it. They being the developers, not her. The devs are wasting her time and ours for having hours wasted. They'll probably slap some 'fixes' on the fourth week without really testing it, just like they did with necromancer and release it as a broken mess.

I fear they are only listening to the positive feedback they're getting, and I know there is positive feedback out there about vampires. It's probably creating an echo chamber since their goal was to make it so not everyone wants to be a vampire. "Oh hey we're getting a lot of people giving us negative feedback and threatening to cure themselves! We MUST be doing something right!!!"

Hold out hope, people, and keep spamming that feedback.

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

They really just don't seem to care at all.

I'm holding out hope it's because they are doing more significant changes that are takening more time to finis, so rather than putting tweaks up each week. Will will see a mini rework in the coming weeks. lol

Elusiin wrote: »

If nothing is changed, honestly I'll be so disappointed. It's the main reason I was gonna come back and play this year, heck I would have subscribed for another year of gold membership. I'm definitely going to want my refund on Greymoor if that's the case, but I doubt I can get that too. Just feels bad...

That's why I no longer preorder, or even pay for more than one month of eso plus at a time. I only bought the last expansion when it hit one of those super cheap sales well after it released cause it's just not worth all that money when they don't listen at all to their player bases , routinely destroy entire builds and play styles , and leave the same bugs and horrible performance for literally years while saying they are improving it. Have yet to see any improvement what so ever after all of these so called performance patches and in fact it's worse now then when they first started the "improvements". If there was a similar game to eso that I could get into, I'd jump ship now.

I wish they would finally see that 20% cost increase or anything near it is insanity.
Several threads after the preview a month ago told them this and almost everyone except for 2 people or so says the same here.

I hope everyone is aware that this 20% is based of base cost, not cost after decreases. So it is not 20%, but more close to 30%. My hardened ward goes from 3600 magicka cost to slightly over 4600 magicka cost.

Please... I would be up to remove this nonsense completely and maybe add some sort of defile instead.

Charon_on_Vacation wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I wish they would finally see that 20% cost increase or anything near it is insanity.
Several threads after the preview a month ago told them this and almost everyone except for 2 people or so says the same here.

I hope everyone is aware that this 20% is based of base cost, not cost after decreases. So it is not 20%, but more close to 30%. My hardened ward goes from 3600 magicka cost to slightly over 4600 magicka cost.

Please... I would be up to remove this nonsense completely and maybe add some sort of defile instead.

yeah, cost is too high for anything but niche builds.
i'd also like to add that it does effect things like block, dodge and break free, which makes it even worse.

Hey Charon,

Are you sure there is an increased cost on block, and dodge etc? Because that would really, really suck, especially since you have to be in melee range...to use vampire effectively.

I can't speak to whether they'll change much or not, I don't think it's likely but one can hope. I have noticed that for the last year that I've been back, they rarely changed anything significant until after the patch where they make EU characters available on the PTS. It seems like after both NA and EU have had a go, then you see adjustments to values.

I've not tested the vampire, but the increased cost does seem a bit high even though I support the obvious move to make Vampire less of "must have" and to give it a niche like WW has moved into (saying that, it seem WW got a buff so it's actually pretty competitive now.) I can't imagine they want everyone to stop being vampires in the middle of a year long story where vampires play a key role. What I think is happening, is that ZOS has a clear idea in their head of how a vamp build should work we just can't seem to figure out that build. (I don't say that as the players aren't good enough to figure it out, I just think something has been lost in translation and could benefit mightily from a ZOS post explaining the changes further and pointing us toward their thinking.)

Most substantial changes typically occur on the last phase of PTS before launch, so keep providing your feedback and with some luck we will get through to them.

*Especially since all stamina characters can delete the vampire skill line.

After duelling as a magicka dragonknight all last night I ended up coming to the conclusion it was better for me to stay mortal than be a vampire in PVP. Even at stage 1 the debuffs outweighed the strengths of having the abilities and it just made no sense for me to keep it. Sure you can build yourself to mitigate the weaknesses but it feels like I'm making myself even weaker to get "stronger".

Also it feels like they're teasing stamina vampires being a thing with strike from the shadows and blood Frenzy giving weapon damage, but it's a joke with that ability cost increase.

I feel there's some misconception occurring about the new vampire changes: the new vampire skills and passives are a new weapon skill-line specific to magic-based characters. As with any weapon choice, some weapons work better than others in specific character builds. The new vampire changes have the same implication, it's not universal without some concessions to the PROs and CONs; when you view the new vampire skills and passives, as a magic weapon skill-line than you can build a character around them; similar to most 2H builds using 2-3 weapon skills over class kit skills on their action bars.

Sahidom wrote: »

I feel there's some misconception occurring about the new vampire changes: the new vampire skills and passives are a new weapon skill-line specific to magic-based characters. As with any weapon choice, some weapons work better than others in specific character builds. The new vampire changes have the same implication, it's not universal without some concessions to the PROs and CONs; when you view the new vampire skills and passives, as a magic weapon skill-line than you can build a character around them; similar to most 2H builds using 2-3 weapon skills over class kit skills on their action bars.

Even if that's true, the skill line rework is still a failure...unless of course it's supposed to be a "weapon line" that's exclusively for ganking (aka, sucking every ounce of fun out of PvP). The only classes that are realistically able to make use of the spammable are the same ones who will never use it since they've already got something better. If they truly want the Vampire skill line to be something that players build around, they need to make it a complete toolkit (or at least have the necessary components available through other skill lines).

If nothing major changes, Vampirism is probably dead for all "normal" PvP builds. Gank builds may make use of Blood Frenzy + Strike from the Shadows in order to have a better chance to 1-shot their targets (which makes PvP oodles of fun!), and Unnatural Movement to help with escaping.

Just wanted to let out a big fat laugh @ the people who commented "no more 100% running vampire for the passives you meta min max chasers! it's a playstyle choice and you have to embrace it or pass on the free buffs!111 Hooray my magicka dps tank nord bowblade!

You have achieved nothing. Now the vampire spammable is best in slot for some pve builds. And that's literaly the only skill they will ever use from the vampire tree. Then there's blood/shimmering frenzy, again a single skill that's probably gonna be turn out to be beneficial on a min max pve build.

And guess what. People will stay at stage 1 and slot either spammable or the toggle. This means you are...well clueless cause you supported this rework. This rework is no good, and the min max meta chasers are happy with this rework. You can still play your roleplay and housing with vampire lord set and 5 vampire skills + ultimate or farm overland mobs. Just like you could before. The people who were complaining about vampire changes - me included we actually were fighting on your side, wanting vampire to be a fleshed out playstyle like a werewolf, a theme of some sorts. With the current itteration of vampires this is unlikely going to happen. And this is dissapointing. And i will be the first to abuse those 1-2 useful skills on a 100% meta build. And try werewolf for the first time in my eso carrer cause now they actually seem to be more than viable.