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The New Vampire Quest for Getting Turned (Spoilers)
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So the new quest has us learning how to use our new powers given to use from Lamae. Starts off as you'd expect with Vorundil ((if you got the bite from a bloodfiend)) telling us about the condition we're in, and to follow our blood. Nothing new here except that they changed where he hangs out.
But where things begin to change is when you first encounter Rahaja above ground. Her animations have changed and they added a portal but the dialog is the same.
Then you talk to her below ground.
After talking with Lamae then you're told to use Eviscerate on a Worm Culist which leads to you being instructed to use vampiric drain.
Which leads to Mesmerize
And finally killing someone as a vampire lord. After that it has you come back to Lamae.
When you return to her she has a final chat with you and answers all your questions.
Overall the change of pace for the quest is really nice as you're no longer being sent into a cave with a couple of abilities to wipe out 12 or so cultists, only a couple. I do have some issues with the quest though but they're in regards to the Elder Scrolls lore in the final dialog with Lamae.
((beware this spoiler is a rant))
After talking with Lamae then you're told to use Eviscerate on a Worm Culist which leads to you being instructed to use vampiric drain.
When you return to her she has a final chat with you and answers all your questions.
Overall the change of pace for the quest is really nice as you're no longer being sent into a cave with a couple of abilities to wipe out 12 or so cultists, only a couple. I do have some issues with the quest though but they're in regards to the Elder Scrolls lore in the final dialog with Lamae.
((beware this spoiler is a rant))
I personally don't see why the devs decided to have Lamae copy the vampire lord form to be honest. She's the first vampire and it could have made perfect sense to write in that she had the power innately without the use of crazy rituals and the like. Speaking of rituals I know the Cyrodiil Vampire Order had their bloodline changed with the help of Clavicus Vile to better blend into mortal society, but he didn't make it to where they didn't have to drink blood anymore ((which would have been the ultimate blessing)). Instead he made it so that drinking blood made them more normal and even able to stave off the sun. ZOS this feeding reversal makes absolutely no sense with regards to Elder Scrolls lore. If you really wanted players to feed you should have reversed how you got the passives or made it so players didn't want to stay in stage 4 with the justice system. Blood was the cure to the vampiric condition, not what made it worse!
I could go on but I feel like your dead set on making this the new "vampirisim", and with this kind of bloodline existing Molag Bol has effectively won. A whole brood that gains power by draining the world dry of blood instead of them only needing it so often to stay sane? That is the ultimate win in his book and I cannot see the Vestige even considering such a gift. That's just my opinion though and when I showed my little brother all of this dialog he broke out laughing. To him this whole thing was a giant joke, and the vampire scion made him laugh harder. To him making your character be infused with vampiric power or sprout vampire lord wings would have been a better alternative than what you're giving us. Also he called your vampiric drain spell a "Sunbeam" that dealt more harm to the user in terms of blinding them than it did to the target's health pool.
Sadly I'm going off topic now but at the end of the day the current direction you're taking vampires just feels wrong. I don't approve of it and I know several people in a few of my guilds hope you reconsider what you're doing here. The lore is important to people who play this game because its an Elder Scrolls game. We're not here because its another MMO to sink our teeth into until the next greatest thing comes out. If you're going to change things try to stay faithful to the lore, don't try to rewrite it to go along with your agenda.
I could go on but I feel like your dead set on making this the new "vampirisim", and with this kind of bloodline existing Molag Bol has effectively won. A whole brood that gains power by draining the world dry of blood instead of them only needing it so often to stay sane? That is the ultimate win in his book and I cannot see the Vestige even considering such a gift. That's just my opinion though and when I showed my little brother all of this dialog he broke out laughing. To him this whole thing was a giant joke, and the vampire scion made him laugh harder. To him making your character be infused with vampiric power or sprout vampire lord wings would have been a better alternative than what you're giving us. Also he called your vampiric drain spell a "Sunbeam" that dealt more harm to the user in terms of blinding them than it did to the target's health pool.
Sadly I'm going off topic now but at the end of the day the current direction you're taking vampires just feels wrong. I don't approve of it and I know several people in a few of my guilds hope you reconsider what you're doing here. The lore is important to people who play this game because its an Elder Scrolls game. We're not here because its another MMO to sink our teeth into until the next greatest thing comes out. If you're going to change things try to stay faithful to the lore, don't try to rewrite it to go along with your agenda.
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✭✭✭✭Your just getting confused like so many, if you have done a certain quest in greymore keep then you will not all Vampires have the winged form, a certain Vampire stated to be a greater Vampire has a form very different then either the Blood Scion or Winged Vampire Lord forms, this blood scion transformation is just the form Lamae Bal obtained from Molag Bal, it is a type of Vampire Lord just like how a Golden Saint is a type of Daedra.
In short your a different species of Vampire just like how a Werewolf is a different species of Lycanthrope to a Werebear, perhaps the source of confuison is they called the Winged form a Vampire Lord when it should of been called something else.
As for that other Vampire I mentioned, there are 3 species of Vampire Lord present in the expansion, the Blood Scion of Lamae Bal's strain, the Winged form which we tend to only find in north-western Skyrim of all places and the form that Lady Enessia has which is this 4 armed wraith looking thing.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on May 2, 2020 7:00AM1 -
Paradisius✭✭✭✭I personally would have loved something different than a transformation ultimate, that way we can avoid confusion such as this. Possibly some extreme blood magics such as the tornado aoe Grundwulf summons in a fight. Just something that doesnt try to copy the Vampire Lord we know5 -
HoyaCarnosa✭✭So when Lamae Bal really created this Blood Scion form, does that mean she dislikes the way argonians and khajiit look? Because when she really created this form then she also could create a form for the beast races. (i mean it is not like lycanthropy where the word "Lycan" means wolf), i really feel like Lamae Bal does NOT LOVE her "children" equally.
My argonian vampire is now a werewolf (and i was hyped for the upcoming vampire changes), just because i dont want to lose my tail and look like an mer /man transformation blood scion (bone goliath from necro got more love).
Here in this thread i found a good concept for khajiit, the last picture (i dont have any khajiit, but the argonians in that thread look to much like "dragon" and not so much like a vampire / blood scion):
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/512959/do-you-want-to-see-unique-beast-race-bloodscion-vampire-lord-options
The higher skill costs for non vampire abilities are in my opinion an overkill for that skill line and of course what i wrote in this thread regarding ww counts also for vampire /bone goliath, a toggle would be better because then nobody would feel stressed (read carefully, i (and others) dont want them OP i want them to "work" in their transformation to become strong while fighting(not stay strong without fighting):
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/524191/make-werewolf-a-toggle#latest
So give the "swarming scion" morph wing stumps and give the transformation for argonian / khajiit a different face and a tail (for each race) just like the bone goliath AND remove the higher skill cost, well or make it that the higher costs are 100% at STAGE 1 and 0% at stage 4, so you need to kill to be strong enough to use your "mortal" skills, but at the same time you get the "fire dmg taken" debuff as it is now and the "lesser health recovery debuff" (it should cap at 75%) increasing like it is with higher stages.4 -
XomRhoK✭✭✭✭✭One thing bothers me about that, if Lamae Bal created Blood Scion form and called it perfected why it looks so much like hated by her Molag Bal? Is this some kind of Stockholm syndrome?2 -
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✭✭✭✭One thing bothers me about that, if Lamae Bal created Blood Scion form and called it perfected why it looks so much like hated by her Molag Bal? Is this some kind of Stockholm syndrome?
She did not create the form though, this is merely what she got from Molag Bal, ZOS only made it look like the winged Vampire Lord so the players could have something similar without ruining the Vampire Lord's reputation because the Vampire Lord to other Vampires is what a King is too their subjects according to Lord Harkon.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on May 3, 2020 1:24AM0 -
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My English not very good, but to me it looks like she was a little envious that Molag Bal gave some vampires "twisted form", and she want to create or give something similar to their childrens.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »One thing bothers me about that, if Lamae Bal created Blood Scion form and called it perfected why it looks so much like hated by her Molag Bal? Is this some kind of Stockholm syndrome?
She did not create the form though, this is merely what she got from Molag Bal, ZOS only made it look like the winged Vampire Lord so the players could have something similar without ruining the Vampire Lord's reputation because the Vampire Lord to other Vampires is what a King is too their subjects according to Lord Harkon.
- "What about my "true form"? The Blood Scion?"
Maybe she not created that form and just allowed her children to use it, but as far as i know she created(?) different lines of vampirism, so, she could create new "form", but she chose the one that looks like Molag Bal.1 -
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You raise a good point... Molag Bol doesn't have wings but vampire lords do. The Blood Scion in comparison doesn't have wings and looks very similar to Molag Bol, horns and all.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK0 -
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My English not very good, but to me it looks like she was a little envious that Molag Bal gave some vampires "twisted form", and she want to create or give something similar to their childrens.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »One thing bothers me about that, if Lamae Bal created Blood Scion form and called it perfected why it looks so much like hated by her Molag Bal? Is this some kind of Stockholm syndrome?
She did not create the form though, this is merely what she got from Molag Bal, ZOS only made it look like the winged Vampire Lord so the players could have something similar without ruining the Vampire Lord's reputation because the Vampire Lord to other Vampires is what a King is too their subjects according to Lord Harkon.
- "What about my "true form"? The Blood Scion?"
Maybe she not created that form and just allowed her children to use it, but as far as i know she created(?) different lines of vampirism, so, she could create new "form", but she chose the one that looks like Molag Bal.
She created tbose bloodlines by turning people who later evolved new abilities that seperated them from the ones who turned them.0 -
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✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Your just getting confused like so many, if you have done a certain quest in greymore keep then you will not all Vampires have the winged form, a certain Vampire stated to be a greater Vampire has a form very different then either the Blood Scion or Winged Vampire Lord forms, this blood scion transformation is just the form Lamae Bal obtained from Molag Bal, it is a type of Vampire Lord just like how a Golden Saint is a type of Daedra.
In short your a different species of Vampire just like how a Werewolf is a different species of Lycanthrope to a Werebear, perhaps the source of confuison is they called the Winged form a Vampire Lord when it should of been called something else.
As for that other Vampire I mentioned, there are 3 species of Vampire Lord present in the expansion, the Blood Scion of Lamae Bal's strain, the Winged form which we tend to only find in north-western Skyrim of all places and the form that Lady Enessia has which is this 4 armed wraith looking thing.
That only happens after you kill her, where she becomes something like a Mournful Aegis.
Then you have to kill her again.
Its like the Ayleid guy that does the same thing in that one dungeon.
Maybe something related to her experiments. Or her very strong will to finish her work.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mournful_Aegis
Also its strongly applied by Lamae in teh Vampire quest that Molag Bal didn't give her clan the power of the Vampire Lord and well she basically created a new strain of it using magic and sorcery basically modifying and creating a new type of vampire.
So basically the Blood Scion form would be of her making and the Blood Knights found in Greymoor keep which seem to look similar to the Blood Scions. Which are Not of Lamae but the lore on them is just as important and its interesting.
It looks like you did the quest but not sure if you read the book inside the keep. Its one of the most important lore books that answers a big question about something I have wondered about and the Book Answers that important question.Is it possible for Vampiric blood lines to be mixed to where Hybrid Vampires can come about? Now Greymoor gives us the answer to that as well as tells us how the Blood Knights are created.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Research_Notes:_Chaotica_VampirisEdited by Thevampirenight on May 4, 2020 12:34AMPC NA
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✭✭✭✭Thevampirenight wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Your just getting confused like so many, if you have done a certain quest in greymore keep then you will not all Vampires have the winged form, a certain Vampire stated to be a greater Vampire has a form very different then either the Blood Scion or Winged Vampire Lord forms, this blood scion transformation is just the form Lamae Bal obtained from Molag Bal, it is a type of Vampire Lord just like how a Golden Saint is a type of Daedra.
In short your a different species of Vampire just like how a Werewolf is a different species of Lycanthrope to a Werebear, perhaps the source of confuison is they called the Winged form a Vampire Lord when it should of been called something else.
As for that other Vampire I mentioned, there are 3 species of Vampire Lord present in the expansion, the Blood Scion of Lamae Bal's strain, the Winged form which we tend to only find in north-western Skyrim of all places and the form that Lady Enessia has which is this 4 armed wraith looking thing.
That only happens after you kill her, where she becomes something like a Mournful Aegis.
Then you have to kill her again.
Its like the Ayleid guy that does the same thing in that one dungeon.
Maybe something related to her experiments. Or her very strong will to finish her work.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mournful_Aegis
Also its strongly applied by Lamae in teh Vampire quest that Molag Bal didn't give her clan the power of the Vampire Lord and well she basically created a new strain of it using magic and sorcery basically modifying and creating a new type of vampire.
So basically the Blood Scion form would be of her making and the Blood Knights found in Greymoor keep which seem to look similar to the Blood Scions. Which are Not of Lamae but the lore on them is just as important and its interesting.
It looks like you did the quest but not sure if you read the book inside the keep. Its one of the most important lore books that answers a big question about something I have wondered about and the Book Answers that important question.Is it possible for Vampiric blood lines to be mixed to where Hybrid Vampires can come about? Now Greymoor gives us the answer to that as well as tells us how the Blood Knights are created.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Research_Notes:_Chaotica_Vampiris
It is a good thing your not a writer otherwise Vampirism would be boring as hell, ask yourself these two quick questions, if their normal forms look so different why would their Vampire Lord form look the same? and secondly do you really believe someone like Gwendis is a Vampire Lord?0 -
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✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Your just getting confused like so many, if you have done a certain quest in greymore keep then you will not all Vampires have the winged form, a certain Vampire stated to be a greater Vampire has a form very different then either the Blood Scion or Winged Vampire Lord forms, this blood scion transformation is just the form Lamae Bal obtained from Molag Bal, it is a type of Vampire Lord just like how a Golden Saint is a type of Daedra.
In short your a different species of Vampire just like how a Werewolf is a different species of Lycanthrope to a Werebear, perhaps the source of confuison is they called the Winged form a Vampire Lord when it should of been called something else.
As for that other Vampire I mentioned, there are 3 species of Vampire Lord present in the expansion, the Blood Scion of Lamae Bal's strain, the Winged form which we tend to only find in north-western Skyrim of all places and the form that Lady Enessia has which is this 4 armed wraith looking thing.
That only happens after you kill her, where she becomes something like a Mournful Aegis.
Then you have to kill her again.
Its like the Ayleid guy that does the same thing in that one dungeon.
Maybe something related to her experiments. Or her very strong will to finish her work.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mournful_Aegis
Also its strongly applied by Lamae in teh Vampire quest that Molag Bal didn't give her clan the power of the Vampire Lord and well she basically created a new strain of it using magic and sorcery basically modifying and creating a new type of vampire.
So basically the Blood Scion form would be of her making and the Blood Knights found in Greymoor keep which seem to look similar to the Blood Scions. Which are Not of Lamae but the lore on them is just as important and its interesting.
It looks like you did the quest but not sure if you read the book inside the keep. Its one of the most important lore books that answers a big question about something I have wondered about and the Book Answers that important question.Is it possible for Vampiric blood lines to be mixed to where Hybrid Vampires can come about? Now Greymoor gives us the answer to that as well as tells us how the Blood Knights are created.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Research_Notes:_Chaotica_Vampiris
It is a good thing your not a writer otherwise Vampirism would be boring as hell, ask yourself these two quick questions, if their normal forms look so different why would their Vampire Lord form look the same? and secondly do you really believe someone like Gwendis is a Vampire Lord?
*Blinks* What?
Okay you have lost me.
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✭✭✭✭Thevampirenight wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Your just getting confused like so many, if you have done a certain quest in greymore keep then you will not all Vampires have the winged form, a certain Vampire stated to be a greater Vampire has a form very different then either the Blood Scion or Winged Vampire Lord forms, this blood scion transformation is just the form Lamae Bal obtained from Molag Bal, it is a type of Vampire Lord just like how a Golden Saint is a type of Daedra.
In short your a different species of Vampire just like how a Werewolf is a different species of Lycanthrope to a Werebear, perhaps the source of confuison is they called the Winged form a Vampire Lord when it should of been called something else.
As for that other Vampire I mentioned, there are 3 species of Vampire Lord present in the expansion, the Blood Scion of Lamae Bal's strain, the Winged form which we tend to only find in north-western Skyrim of all places and the form that Lady Enessia has which is this 4 armed wraith looking thing.
That only happens after you kill her, where she becomes something like a Mournful Aegis.
Then you have to kill her again.
Its like the Ayleid guy that does the same thing in that one dungeon.
Maybe something related to her experiments. Or her very strong will to finish her work.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mournful_Aegis
Also its strongly applied by Lamae in teh Vampire quest that Molag Bal didn't give her clan the power of the Vampire Lord and well she basically created a new strain of it using magic and sorcery basically modifying and creating a new type of vampire.
So basically the Blood Scion form would be of her making and the Blood Knights found in Greymoor keep which seem to look similar to the Blood Scions. Which are Not of Lamae but the lore on them is just as important and its interesting.
It looks like you did the quest but not sure if you read the book inside the keep. Its one of the most important lore books that answers a big question about something I have wondered about and the Book Answers that important question.Is it possible for Vampiric blood lines to be mixed to where Hybrid Vampires can come about? Now Greymoor gives us the answer to that as well as tells us how the Blood Knights are created.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Research_Notes:_Chaotica_Vampiris
It is a good thing your not a writer otherwise Vampirism would be boring as hell, ask yourself these two quick questions, if their normal forms look so different why would their Vampire Lord form look the same? and secondly do you really believe someone like Gwendis is a Vampire Lord?
*Blinks* What?
Okay you have lost me.
Gwendis is the Bosmer Vampire from House Ravenwatch and as I said, why do you assume all Vampire Bloodlines would have the same Vampire Lord form is their regular forms look so different?0 -
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✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Your just getting confused like so many, if you have done a certain quest in greymore keep then you will not all Vampires have the winged form, a certain Vampire stated to be a greater Vampire has a form very different then either the Blood Scion or Winged Vampire Lord forms, this blood scion transformation is just the form Lamae Bal obtained from Molag Bal, it is a type of Vampire Lord just like how a Golden Saint is a type of Daedra.
In short your a different species of Vampire just like how a Werewolf is a different species of Lycanthrope to a Werebear, perhaps the source of confuison is they called the Winged form a Vampire Lord when it should of been called something else.
As for that other Vampire I mentioned, there are 3 species of Vampire Lord present in the expansion, the Blood Scion of Lamae Bal's strain, the Winged form which we tend to only find in north-western Skyrim of all places and the form that Lady Enessia has which is this 4 armed wraith looking thing.
That only happens after you kill her, where she becomes something like a Mournful Aegis.
Then you have to kill her again.
Its like the Ayleid guy that does the same thing in that one dungeon.
Maybe something related to her experiments. Or her very strong will to finish her work.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mournful_Aegis
Also its strongly applied by Lamae in teh Vampire quest that Molag Bal didn't give her clan the power of the Vampire Lord and well she basically created a new strain of it using magic and sorcery basically modifying and creating a new type of vampire.
So basically the Blood Scion form would be of her making and the Blood Knights found in Greymoor keep which seem to look similar to the Blood Scions. Which are Not of Lamae but the lore on them is just as important and its interesting.
It looks like you did the quest but not sure if you read the book inside the keep. Its one of the most important lore books that answers a big question about something I have wondered about and the Book Answers that important question.Is it possible for Vampiric blood lines to be mixed to where Hybrid Vampires can come about? Now Greymoor gives us the answer to that as well as tells us how the Blood Knights are created.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Research_Notes:_Chaotica_Vampiris
It is a good thing your not a writer otherwise Vampirism would be boring as hell, ask yourself these two quick questions, if their normal forms look so different why would their Vampire Lord form look the same? and secondly do you really believe someone like Gwendis is a Vampire Lord?
*Blinks* What?
Okay you have lost me.
Gwendis is the Bosmer Vampire from House Ravenwatch and as I said, why do you assume all Vampire Bloodlines would have the same Vampire Lord form is their regular forms look so different?
Yes I know who Gwendis is, and she is one of my favorite npcs in the game.
Also I was comparing the Blood Scions with Blood Knights and that has nothing to do with Ravenwatch. We don't even know if they have a Vampire Lord form. So how does this go back to Gwendis?
That is what I'm lost about here because this has nothing to do with Gwendis.
Edited by Thevampirenight on May 4, 2020 12:11PMPC NA
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