What do we think of the Alliance Change tokens?

tinythinker · April 2020

Good?

Bad?

Meh?

tinythinker · April 2020

{They are on the current PTS build for Greymoor in the Crown Storre but like everything during a new chapter test they cost only 1 crown. No idea what they will charge on live.}

twitch_zero · April 2020

Its about time and yes I'm expecting they will be expensive and justifiably so.

redspecter23 · April 2020

Fine by me. I don't see it as pay to win at all. They don't provide anything that I couldn't just do by swapping to an alt.

I probably would have attached a cooldown to them to prevent any potential abuses like 30 days or so, but I'm fine with the current implementation.

Reverb · April 2020

It’s on the list of things I used to care about and don’t anymore, due to the abysmal state of gameplay.

Minyassa · April 2020

I'm really pleased about it. I joined a social guild that I adore, and they play a different alliance from my main, and I didn't want to start a different PvP toon. Now I can join them in Cyrodiil.

oXI_Viper_IXo · April 2020

I'm indifferent, all my toons are AD and will remain so. It will be nice for those who want to consolidate all their characters onto one alliance though.

zyk · April 2020

I think they are farcical if they have a cost. ZOS will be even further down the road of profiting from problems they created. That's not bashing ZOS, mods, it's the objective truth.

The proper way to have implemented this would be to remove hard coded Alliances from Cyrodiil entirely. Allow characters to play for any faction and lock them to that Alliance for the duration of the campaign cycle. No cost to players; except perhaps AP. Problem solved.

When ZOS removed Alliance restrictions in Cyrodiil, it was the start of a new epoch in Cyrodiil when cross-faction cultures flourished with a lot of enthusiasm. For the record, it didn't suit my tastes. All of my level 50 characters are AD. But still, I recognize these players were given the freedom to create a new culture so I don't think it was fair to remove it later because it was so disruptive to those affected. The introduction of locked alliances on the main campaign seems to have decimated the enthusiasm that existed by erecting too many barriers for friends to play with each other as they had previously.

From what I can see, a huge part of Cyrodiil's community was lost directly because of the reintroduction of faction locks. I think the fair thing to do is to make Alliance Change Tokens free or extremely inexpensive -- like 50 Crowns. Really, players deserve a more nuanced system that eliminates the Crown Store from the equation.

BRogueNZ · April 2020

redspecter23 wrote: »

Fine by me. I don't see it as pay to win at all. They don't provide anything that I couldn't just do by swapping to an alt.

I probably would have attached a cooldown to them to prevent any potential abuses like 30 days or so, but I'm fine with the current implementation.

how does one do that or are you playing on an unlocked server? if that's the case of course it doesn't matter..

Lamiai · April 2020

I like the idea, have 2 characters from launch I'd like to finally move to DC. I have a feeling the cost is going to be around €20-40 per character to move, hoping its not but at the end of the day these games are built to make money first and foremost so expecting a heavy cost.

VaranisArano · April 2020

Finally! I can make all my characters EP if I want.

While recruiting for a Pact-loyal PVP guild, I was amazed by the number of players who didn't have a clue which Alliance they were. As in "open your character menu and tell me which animal picture is next to your name" type didn't-have-a-clue.

frozywozy · April 2020

The idea is great but it should have been implemented differently. In Wow for example, during the first several years after release, they monitored closely which server had more population for each alliance and introduced faction change tokens for the faction that needs it the most. In other words, the tokens would allow you to reroll to the faction which need help on said server but not the other way around.

Now, with what we have seen in the past in TESO with buffed campaigns centered on one faction at 3bars or max pop farming emperor or pvdooring keeps against the two other factions at low pop, it shows how a large majority of people in this game enjoy playing for the dominant faction no matter the consequences. Most people don't seek a real challenge and they hate to log in to see the map entirely controlled by other factions while they are being pushed to their home keeps.

They don't see that as an opportunity to develop even more fights without pushing as deep in enemy territory. This being said, I believe that the best way to have implemented those faction change tokens would have been to monitor every campaign cycle, which one need it the most and allow a one way transfer to the faction that needs it the most.

Xarc · April 2020

It will change nothing.

tinythinker · April 2020

frozywozy wrote: »

The idea is great but it should have been implemented differently. In Wow for example, during the first several years after release, they monitored closely which server had more population for each alliance and introduced faction change tokens for the faction that needs it the most. In other words, the tokens would allow you to reroll to the faction which need help on said server but not the other way around.

Now, with what we have seen in the past in TESO with buffed campaigns centered on one faction at 3bars or max pop farming emperor or pvdooring keeps against the two other factions at low pop, it shows how a large majority of people in this game enjoy playing for the dominant faction no matter the consequences. Most people don't seek a real challenge and they hate to log in to see the map entirely controlled by other factions while they are being pushed to their home keeps.

They don't see that as an opportunity to develop even more fights without pushing as deep in enemy territory. This being said, I believe that the best way to have implemented those faction change tokens would have been to monitor every campaign cycle, which one need it the most and allow a one way transfer to the faction that needs it the most.

We're not sure how they will be implemented yet - as an "always available" feature or as you say. But I would guess always available.

grannas211 · April 2020

frozywozy wrote: »

The idea is great but it should have been implemented differently. In Wow for example, during the first several years after release, they monitored closely which server had more population for each alliance and introduced faction change tokens for the faction that needs it the most. In other words, the tokens would allow you to reroll to the faction which need help on said server but not the other way around.

Now, with what we have seen in the past in TESO with buffed campaigns centered on one faction at 3bars or max pop farming emperor or pvdooring keeps against the two other factions at low pop, it shows how a large majority of people in this game enjoy playing for the dominant faction no matter the consequences. Most people don't seek a real challenge and they hate to log in to see the map entirely controlled by other factions while they are being pushed to their home keeps.

They don't see that as an opportunity to develop even more fights without pushing as deep in enemy territory. This being said, I believe that the best way to have implemented those faction change tokens would have been to monitor every campaign cycle, which one need it the most and allow a one way transfer to the faction that needs it the most.

You cant compare this to Wow at all. Because you can only raid as Horde with other Horde, etc. As far as the map, who cares. If people are really that into it, they can already do that by changing toons. This isnt going to circumvent faction lock. It just allows people that have really old/original characters in alliance they dont play to bring them to the one they do play.

frozywozy · April 2020

grannas211 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The idea is great but it should have been implemented differently. In Wow for example, during the first several years after release, they monitored closely which server had more population for each alliance and introduced faction change tokens for the faction that needs it the most. In other words, the tokens would allow you to reroll to the faction which need help on said server but not the other way around.

Now, with what we have seen in the past in TESO with buffed campaigns centered on one faction at 3bars or max pop farming emperor or pvdooring keeps against the two other factions at low pop, it shows how a large majority of people in this game enjoy playing for the dominant faction no matter the consequences. Most people don't seek a real challenge and they hate to log in to see the map entirely controlled by other factions while they are being pushed to their home keeps.

They don't see that as an opportunity to develop even more fights without pushing as deep in enemy territory. This being said, I believe that the best way to have implemented those faction change tokens would have been to monitor every campaign cycle, which one need it the most and allow a one way transfer to the faction that needs it the most.

You cant compare this to Wow at all. Because you can only raid as Horde with other Horde, etc. As far as the map, who cares. If people are really that into it, they can already do that by changing toons. This isnt going to circumvent faction lock. It just allows people that have really old/original characters in alliance they dont play to bring them to the one they do play.

What is the difference between pvping as horde with horde or EP with EP?

I think you also confused people caring to play the dominant faction with people caring for the map.

grannas211 · April 2020

frozywozy wrote: »

grannas211 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The idea is great but it should have been implemented differently. In Wow for example, during the first several years after release, they monitored closely which server had more population for each alliance and introduced faction change tokens for the faction that needs it the most. In other words, the tokens would allow you to reroll to the faction which need help on said server but not the other way around.

Now, with what we have seen in the past in TESO with buffed campaigns centered on one faction at 3bars or max pop farming emperor or pvdooring keeps against the two other factions at low pop, it shows how a large majority of people in this game enjoy playing for the dominant faction no matter the consequences. Most people don't seek a real challenge and they hate to log in to see the map entirely controlled by other factions while they are being pushed to their home keeps.

They don't see that as an opportunity to develop even more fights without pushing as deep in enemy territory. This being said, I believe that the best way to have implemented those faction change tokens would have been to monitor every campaign cycle, which one need it the most and allow a one way transfer to the faction that needs it the most.

You cant compare this to Wow at all. Because you can only raid as Horde with other Horde, etc. As far as the map, who cares. If people are really that into it, they can already do that by changing toons. This isnt going to circumvent faction lock. It just allows people that have really old/original characters in alliance they dont play to bring them to the one they do play.

What is the difference between pvping as horde with horde or EP with EP?

I think you also confused people caring to play the dominant faction with people caring for the map.

Because our Battleground system is noncompetitive and non-faction specific. Also faction balance would matter more if it locked you out of that plus all pve content. It does not. Im saying you cant use that as an example because theyre not even in the same atmosphere.

frozywozy · April 2020

grannas211 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

grannas211 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The idea is great but it should have been implemented differently. In Wow for example, during the first several years after release, they monitored closely which server had more population for each alliance and introduced faction change tokens for the faction that needs it the most. In other words, the tokens would allow you to reroll to the faction which need help on said server but not the other way around.

Now, with what we have seen in the past in TESO with buffed campaigns centered on one faction at 3bars or max pop farming emperor or pvdooring keeps against the two other factions at low pop, it shows how a large majority of people in this game enjoy playing for the dominant faction no matter the consequences. Most people don't seek a real challenge and they hate to log in to see the map entirely controlled by other factions while they are being pushed to their home keeps.

They don't see that as an opportunity to develop even more fights without pushing as deep in enemy territory. This being said, I believe that the best way to have implemented those faction change tokens would have been to monitor every campaign cycle, which one need it the most and allow a one way transfer to the faction that needs it the most.

You cant compare this to Wow at all. Because you can only raid as Horde with other Horde, etc. As far as the map, who cares. If people are really that into it, they can already do that by changing toons. This isnt going to circumvent faction lock. It just allows people that have really old/original characters in alliance they dont play to bring them to the one they do play.

What is the difference between pvping as horde with horde or EP with EP?

I think you also confused people caring to play the dominant faction with people caring for the map.

Because our Battleground system is noncompetitive and non-faction specific. Also faction balance would matter more if it locked you out of that plus all pve content. It does not. Im saying you cant use that as an example because theyre not even in the same atmosphere.

Why do you speak about battlegrounds?
I never reffered to them anywhere and it has nothing to do with faction change tokens.

grannas211 · April 2020

frozywozy wrote: »

grannas211 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

grannas211 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The idea is great but it should have been implemented differently. In Wow for example, during the first several years after release, they monitored closely which server had more population for each alliance and introduced faction change tokens for the faction that needs it the most. In other words, the tokens would allow you to reroll to the faction which need help on said server but not the other way around.

Now, with what we have seen in the past in TESO with buffed campaigns centered on one faction at 3bars or max pop farming emperor or pvdooring keeps against the two other factions at low pop, it shows how a large majority of people in this game enjoy playing for the dominant faction no matter the consequences. Most people don't seek a real challenge and they hate to log in to see the map entirely controlled by other factions while they are being pushed to their home keeps.

They don't see that as an opportunity to develop even more fights without pushing as deep in enemy territory. This being said, I believe that the best way to have implemented those faction change tokens would have been to monitor every campaign cycle, which one need it the most and allow a one way transfer to the faction that needs it the most.

You cant compare this to Wow at all. Because you can only raid as Horde with other Horde, etc. As far as the map, who cares. If people are really that into it, they can already do that by changing toons. This isnt going to circumvent faction lock. It just allows people that have really old/original characters in alliance they dont play to bring them to the one they do play.

What is the difference between pvping as horde with horde or EP with EP?

I think you also confused people caring to play the dominant faction with people caring for the map.

Because our Battleground system is noncompetitive and non-faction specific. Also faction balance would matter more if it locked you out of that plus all pve content. It does not. Im saying you cant use that as an example because theyre not even in the same atmosphere.

Why do you speak about battlegrounds?
I never reffered to them anywhere and it has nothing to do with faction change tokens.

Because you made the argument WoW used to consider faction balance. And I was just pointing out they did in sake because the game revolves around the factions. There is no Cyrodiil (although open world pvp is a thing technically if you turn it on.). ESO faction really only matters in Cyrodiil. It’s just not the same thing. Either way, I have no Qualms with you and I’d be fine with them adding a cool down or whatever. But I don’t think they’re gonna do that.

IxSTALKERxI · April 2020

AvA is boring, I prefer AvAvA.

josh.lackey_ESO · April 2020

It means faction lock is now a "pay to win" feature.

josh.lackey_ESO · April 2020

zyk wrote: »

The proper way to have implemented this would be to remove hard coded Alliances from Cyrodiil entirely.

This also is the only scenario that really comports with the lore of Cadwell's Silver and Gold, and the nature of the vestige being a "Paragon Soul Shriven" spontaneously created by the Heart of Nirn to defend the Mundus from destruction in the Planemeld.

gepe87 · April 2020

I will use. My former main (dunmer) cant stay in AD.
Meanwhile my current main, EP, reached even more achivement points. Still grinding Alliance Rank.
I changed for lore reasons.

Cadbury · April 2020

I'm curious how much it will end up costing. If it's something semi-reasonable, like 2500 - 4500 I imagine it will see alot of use.

Beardimus · April 2020

tinythinker wrote: »

Good?

Bad?

Meh?

If they lock all campaigns at same time happy days.

Kadoin · April 2020

There is no point when Cyrodiil is unplayable, and even then, why would I pay to fix a problem introduced by the devs in the first place?

Better idea: login less. I might be only one little blip that is unnoticeable, but my actions can still be significant.

Greasytengu · April 2020

Honestly, if people want to faction swap they are going to do it, with or without the tokens. All this changes is that you dont have to grind up a new character if your willing to shell out some money.

I have to agree with everyone else about them just removing factions as a whole though. I always felt we were more mercenary than soldier considering we can crown ourselves emperor instead of our faction leader.

red_emu · April 2020

As long as the the alliance lock is removed, there is no point paying real money for it, unless you're doing it for RP reasons.

Still. Many people with cash to burn will pay the 5k crowns for it.

Nyteshade · April 2020

It's a fine solution. It gives folks a chance to get to the alliance they want to be in, but hopefully expensive enough to discourage alliance hoping that was so rampant before and a big problem.

IronWooshu · May 2020

The best part about them is faction lock is staying. Hopefully they do more faction lock, time to bring back pride of being apart of your faction and guilds.

Yay.

AbraXuSeXile · May 2020

Not a fan.