I dont know what zos thought when they released these changes: they nerf bloodspawn,impen, resistances, healing, etc..
At the same time they introduce a set that gives you f****** 13k pen for 10 seconds every 20secs, and malacaths band of brutalety.

How are you supposed to survive outnumberd ?

Meanwhile the real Issue, which is % based dmg mitigation didnt get hit at all, if so they even made it worse with the changes (buff?!?!) to blackrose dualwield.
Lets check out the necro:
Blackrose:10%
totem:8% (i prefare that because i can play it on the backbar over the fighterguild rune)
spirit guardian: 10%
deaden Pain: 33%

that is insane and you still have to include normal resistances and cps


Regarding nightblades, i think nightblades will be fine but you have to adjust your playstile. If you cant go for a "tank"blade go for a gankblade, should be pretty viable in the next patch.
Both Stamsorc and stamblade actual have tools to "prevent " dmg from happening, get in dump you ult, dump your burst get out, if you have the feeling that your healing is to low go for Rally and look for some other form of snare imunety (maybe the new mythic item and build for high base movement speed). (well in case of the stamsorc, he wont be worse than in the current patch)

In my opinion the classes that will suffer most are the ones that rely mostly on heals, with low to no dmg mittigation. Some classes especially some magica classes on no cp either eat the dmg and heal themself up or die. They had the option to go mistform but the new vamp changes (iMpRoVeMeNtS) remove this option for no cps.

3 months after this goes live, they will nerf damage and buff healing and mitigation. The cycle will go on. This happens every 12 months or so.

Personally, I don't think anyone will notice the healing changes at all. Cross healing and groups will appear to be just as strong as before. For individual builds, you just have to maintain 4-5K heals per second (including health regen).

Dracane wrote: »

And Dark Deal is only interruptable once, after which you can use it freely while CC immune.

Or you streak away, LOS, then dark deal. No interrupts at all that way.

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clocksstoppe wrote: »

sorc worst heals? ayy lmao have you ever activated surge?

While I usually disagree with your obnoxious hate, I agree that Sorcerer has really good passive healing.
You activate surge and just go ahead and fight for 30 seconds. You do not have to recast anything for a long time.

Stamina Sorcerer has low maintenance healing over time. Dark Deal and Clannfear also exist. Some use it pretty well.
Add ball of lightning and you have a sub class that can only die when they are braindead or get ult dumped on.

How many players have you come across that run the clannfear on a stamsorc?
How high is your critical rating in no cp cyro and bg?
Dark Deal is a(n interruptable) cast time ability.
Don't act like surge keeps anyone topped on it's own. Especially not mag sorcs who don't utilize many dots.

The question is how many stamina sorcerer I have seen at all recently. From the 4 ones I see regularly, 2 use the clannfear.
But Vigor is so crazy on its own, that it is more than enough to return to 100% quickly with surge all while remaining offensive.

And Dark Deal is only interruptable once, after which you can use it freely while CC immune.

Whooping 50% you say? Damn.

Well 50% should be higher than the magicka sorcerer percentage that still uses pets.

Kalante wrote: »

Classes like stam sorc and stam nb are gonna be hit the hardest by this battle spirit healing change because they have the worst heals in the game. Classes that already do tons of healing are not going to feel much of a difference if anything and ball groups will still be healing on top of one another like always. You are targeting at things that are somewhere else sitting in the sidelines meanwhile the big culprits remain unfazed.

nightblade* is going to be hit the hardest by this. it is a struggle to use pen sets on our class because our healing is so bad. im expecting they will buff the class regardless though. they have to be morons not to buff it based on how many complaints on the forums and how ridiculously gutted the class is right now.

bol wrote: »

Low healing classes? What do you mean?

Low healing class are classes that do not have any passives to support their healings or they lack the healing skills in general. Stamsorc for example does not have a single passive or skill that provide any bonus healing modifers like healing done or recieved. For you to get these buffs as a stamsorc, you have to be heavy armor, use restoation staff, or any set that gives healing bonuses like malubath monster set.

Also, stamsorc have a very strong passive healing in PvE or CP PvP but it is weak in no-CP PvP. Critical surge is heal that ticks everytime you do critical attack, very easy and relaible in CP- PvP because you can get hight critical chance rating without sacrificing much dmg or sustain due to CP. In no-CP, players usualy have low criticsl chance rating in general and one much invest in critical chance to make critical surge effective and loss overall dmg and sustain. Dark deal is inturreptable skill. Clanfear is double bar and heals for great amout, unfortuantly it dies way to easy, hince it is a libility issue, when you need to heal, clanfeat is dead so are you.

I hope this answer you questions.

bol wrote: »

I was being sarcastic. There is no such thing as low healing class in ESO. Your example is one of the worst, since stamsorc is the one class that has probably the most passive healing of any. Crit Surge anyone? If you don't have enough healing it just means your build is wrong. You shouldn't stack armor to survive, you should stack weapon damage. With loads of weapon damage your healing will be over the top, plus you will of course hit a lot harder, so you can maintain more pressure on your enemies and force them into defensive. And this is basically the thing that ZoS doesn't understand or doesn't want to understand, but the more weapon damage you stack the easier it is to survive.

Sometimes I wonder if people even read what was written.

Stamsorc Selfheal will still be ok next patch.
There are other classes who are more affected by the change!

Stamsorc has enough tools to compensate for the nerf => Vigor, Crit Surge, Rally, dark Deal, Clanfear (too low crit is more of a build problem)

Magblade, magdk and Stamblade will have a lot more issue. Magplar is also more affected by the nerf than Stamsorc(They are still good)

universal_wrath wrote: »

bol wrote: »

I was being sarcastic. There is no such thing as low healing class in ESO. Your example is one of the worst, since stamsorc is the one class that has probably the most passive healing of any. Crit Surge anyone? If you don't have enough healing it just means your build is wrong. You shouldn't stack armor to survive, you should stack weapon damage. With loads of weapon damage your healing will be over the top, plus you will of course hit a lot harder, so you can maintain more pressure on your enemies and force them into defensive. And this is basically the thing that ZoS doesn't understand or doesn't want to understand, but the more weapon damage you stack the easier it is to survive.

As you said, you should stack weapon dmg so you can hit harder, but how critical surge comes to play? I mean if you have 5k+ weapon dmg and your critical chance is barely 30-40% even lower with heavy armor, what are the chances of critical surge being activated? Lower critical chance means lower proc times on critical surge heal. During the 33 sevs duration, critical surge will only activated 50% of the time or even less. Best way to proc critical surge it to be out numbered but you can't be out numbered on stamsorc in no-cp pvp. If you play daul/bow/s&b then your only heal is vigor, only way to uave better healing on stamsorc is to play 2h for rally.

I'm not sure I follow your logic.

With Hurricane up while attacking one person while weaving LAs, you should receive healing from Critical Surge every second if your critical chance is 33% or better — which is on the low end if you're wearing medium armor. If more than one person is within the area of affect of Hurricane, (as is often the case) and/or if you throw Poison Injection or some other such DOT into the mix, healing every second should be all but guaranteed. Am I missing something?

Langeston wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

bol wrote: »

I was being sarcastic. There is no such thing as low healing class in ESO. Your example is one of the worst, since stamsorc is the one class that has probably the most passive healing of any. Crit Surge anyone? If you don't have enough healing it just means your build is wrong. You shouldn't stack armor to survive, you should stack weapon damage. With loads of weapon damage your healing will be over the top, plus you will of course hit a lot harder, so you can maintain more pressure on your enemies and force them into defensive. And this is basically the thing that ZoS doesn't understand or doesn't want to understand, but the more weapon damage you stack the easier it is to survive.

As you said, you should stack weapon dmg so you can hit harder, but how critical surge comes to play? I mean if you have 5k+ weapon dmg and your critical chance is barely 30-40% even lower with heavy armor, what are the chances of critical surge being activated? Lower critical chance means lower proc times on critical surge heal. During the 33 sevs duration, critical surge will only activated 50% of the time or even less. Best way to proc critical surge it to be out numbered but you can't be out numbered on stamsorc in no-cp pvp. If you play daul/bow/s&b then your only heal is vigor, only way to uave better healing on stamsorc is to play 2h for rally.

I'm not sure I follow your logic.

With Hurricane up while attacking one person while weaving LAs, you should receive healing from Critical Surge every second if your critical chance is 33% or better — which is on the low end if you're wearing medium armor. If more than one person is within the area of affect of Hurricane, (as is often the case) and/or if you throw Poison Injection or some other such DOT into the mix, healing every second should be all but guaranteed. Am I missing something?

I'm not really sure how the crtitcal chance works excatly, but it has never been forgiving to me at critical almost never activate or way less than it should while fighting against groups even with full medium with 42% critical chance. I get more healing from vigor than I do from critical surge on every BG I play.

Still wish shield's was getting the nerf to 60% to be fair to stamina players since it is like a heal in reverse.

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MotokoHutt wrote: »

With the new nerf to healing let us all take a moment in prayer for the Magic Nightblade. For he who scraped through barely surviving with hot's, now he shall not. Rest in peace oh shadowy angel, yee who whert too good for this world may the devines bring peace to your uncloaked soul, may the great aurabis be full of burst heal's that you where so wrongfuly denied in life. R.I.P Magic Nightblade 2014 - 2020

Nb healers in BG are great. Healing offering is One of the strongest heal

holden_caulfield wrote: »

MotokoHutt wrote: »

With the new nerf to healing let us all take a moment in prayer for the Magic Nightblade. For he who scraped through barely surviving with hot's, now he shall not. Rest in peace oh shadowy angel, yee who whert too good for this world may the devines bring peace to your uncloaked soul, may the great aurabis be full of burst heal's that you where so wrongfuly denied in life. R.I.P Magic Nightblade 2014 - 2020

Nb healers in BG are great. Healing offering is One of the strongest heal

Not sure you really got what I was refering too did you? I didnt say RIP Nightblade Healer did I ? While Healthy Offering might be a semi decent burst heal on allies, I don't see you able to use that on yourself do you? Magic Nightblades have the worst self survival out of any class perioud. MagBlade especially Mele MagBlade is beyond niche at this point.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

True, but other classes get more then one heal. Sorcs get 2 full heals, Templar gets 1 full and 1 @ 35% so nothing but one heal in pvp. Dk’s either get one heal for self or 2 for others if they have a target to throw a rock at, lol. Warden get one for everyone in front of them in a cone for 20 meters and Necros get 1 for self or another person. Come to think of it Socrs have the best heal in PVP at 2 full burst heals.

About warden. Have u try to heal with those mushroom in pvp? People move and move fast
And besides that skill cost way too much. Infact almost no warden healer in BG use cllass skills.

Stamsorc has low heals? Lol, sounds to me like you don't have enough weapon damage.