Why is every fear in the game better than nightblade's?
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Chelo✭✭✭✭✭
You are not dodging while stunned. The reality is that you don't instantly break free in Cyrodiil. There is always lag. You will land that first hit after Fear 90% of the time. And the buffed execute has to be avoided, that's the point. You cannot tank it.
Sadly this happened more often than you can imagine...
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nb does not only have no class identity anymore, it's also in a really sh*t spot balance wise
The class would need like a million buffs to be able to compete with stamcro and stamden LOL I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, that is the point. It is only for empowering that one burst skill and having a bit pressure for the follow-up. It is not supposed to give you free Breech/Fracture all the time, just when it matters. To make Fear a more appealing choice. Nothing more. It is a small and balanced buff, but it will help. 8% more damage on the bow or even Incap is a lot.0 -
MusCanus✭✭✭✭✭
PvP is mostly just 1 good hit. Never underestimate 8% in a single shot.
No, it is not. PvP is about several good hits coming in 1 GCD due to delayed damage abilities. NBs don't have that and a simple fear buff won't be much help. The only other classes that don't have it are stamsorc (and it isn't good either) and DK (but it has tankiness, dots and great ultimate).0 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
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You are not dodging while stunned. The reality is that you don't instantly break free in Cyrodiil. There is always lag. You will land that first hit after Fear 90% of the time. And the buffed execute has to be avoided, that's the point. You cannot tank it.
Without lag you don't hit that (at least not bow and Incap, the two skills which matter). People are fast enough to break the cc and dodge the follow up, even without having break free on your mouse wheel...I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
MusCanus✭✭✭✭✭
Yes, that is the point. It is only for empowering that one burst skill and having a bit pressure for the follow-up. It is not supposed to give you free Breech/Fracture all the time, just when it matters. To make Fear a more appealing choice. Nothing more. It is a small and balanced buff, but it will help.
Fine, it is better than nothing. On rare occasions it might be the difference in you getting a kill or not. But it won't make NBs good or competitive, just little less bad.
You're not landing both after a stun, that's 100%. Unless your opponent is debuffed with Major Lag, lol.8% more damage on the bow or even Incap is a lot.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »
You are not dodging while stunned. The reality is that you don't instantly break free in Cyrodiil. There is always lag. You will land that first hit after Fear 90% of the time. And the buffed execute has to be avoided, that's the point. You cannot tank it.
Without lag you don't hit that (at least not bow and Incap, the two skills which matter). People are fast enough to break the cc and dodge the follow up, even without having break free on your mouse wheel...
Lag is always there. Better yet, latency. Are you wondering why you get hit in Cloak all the time? It's because the opponent targeted you BEFORE you casted Cloak. But it doesn't appear like that on your screen. It's a normal thing on the internet. Play a bit PvP in Dark Souls, it makes this phenomenon very clear.
That's why I said 90% of the time. Under perfect conditions you can block and dodge fast enough, but that is not the norm from my experience. When you see the stun, you're usually already hit by the follow-up.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, that is the point. It is only for empowering that one burst skill and having a bit pressure for the follow-up. It is not supposed to give you free Breech/Fracture all the time, just when it matters. To make Fear a more appealing choice. Nothing more. It is a small and balanced buff, but it will help.
Fine, it is better than nothing. On rare occasions it might be the difference in you getting a kill or not. But it won't make NBs good or competitive, just little less bad.
You're not landing both after a stun, that's 100%. Unless your opponent is debuffed with Major Lag, lol.8% more damage on the bow or even Incap is a lot.
Yes, it takes a bit more than that to make NBs competitive. But it should give you an idea of how I imagine buffs for nightblades. Priority on damage and non-abusable but useful debuffs.0 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭
PvP is mostly just 1 good hit. Never underestimate 8% in a single shot.
No, it is not. PvP is about several good hits coming in 1 GCD due to delayed damage abilities. NBs don't have that and a simple fear buff won't be much help. The only other classes that don't have it are stamsorc (and it isn't good either) and DK (but it has tankiness, dots and great ultimate).
Not for MagNB... MagNB doesn't have delayed skills. So is basically landing that 1 shot in the right moment. Of course you have to keep pressure on the enemy, but the Spectral Bow is what end up killing people most of the time.0 -
MusCanus✭✭✭✭✭
PvP is mostly just 1 good hit. Never underestimate 8% in a single shot.
No, it is not. PvP is about several good hits coming in 1 GCD due to delayed damage abilities. NBs don't have that and a simple fear buff won't be much help. The only other classes that don't have it are stamsorc (and it isn't good either) and DK (but it has tankiness, dots and great ultimate).
Not for MagNB... MagNB doesn't have delayed skills. So is basically landing that 1 shot in the right moment. Of course you have to keep pressure on the enemy, but the Spectral Bow is what end up killing people most of the time.
But every moment is right to land a Dizzy, it's what end up killing more people anyway, lol.
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Chelo✭✭✭✭✭
PvP is mostly just 1 good hit. Never underestimate 8% in a single shot.
No, it is not. PvP is about several good hits coming in 1 GCD due to delayed damage abilities. NBs don't have that and a simple fear buff won't be much help. The only other classes that don't have it are stamsorc (and it isn't good either) and DK (but it has tankiness, dots and great ultimate).
Not for MagNB... MagNB doesn't have delayed skills. So is basically landing that 1 shot in the right moment. Of course you have to keep pressure on the enemy, but the Spectral Bow is what end up killing people most of the time.
But every moment is right to land a Dizzy, it's what end up killing more people anyway, lol.
Another reason why Devs should buff Concealed Weapon and Surprise Attack. Class Skills suppose to be better or at least equal to general skills... And that's why I said standardization should apply to buffing too, not only nerfing when it's convenient...0 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭... or add major expedition to mass hysteria, and e.g. damage component for traps.
One moprh could be very good source of delayed burst but less reliable, another one would be great offenisve and deffenisve skill but without damage. PvP magblades really need those kind of things and both of those things would greatly help the poor state of magblades which are always pushed into the background in NB balance discussions.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.0 -
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✭Add 40% snare for 4 seconds when the stun ends.“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”0 -
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Vetixio✭✭✭✭Nightblades do need some help with a lot of their kit tbh, both Stamblade and Magblade are in need of buffs in PvE and PvP. MagDKs need help too. Whereas ZOS forgets most of the base game classes and just gives Wardens and Necros all the passives and buffs that were removed from the base game classes lol. But not pay to win right?Pìerre - Breton Vampire Templar, Grand Overlord. Erádàn - Bosmer Templar, Warlord. Vyríc - Imperial Vampire Necromancer, Centurion. Sybìl - Breton Sorcerer, Centurion. Erìch - Nord Vampire Nightblade, Corporal. Njàll - Nord Templar, Lieutenant. Elánnà - Bosmer Warden, Veteran. Laquì - Redguard Vampire Nightblade, Corporal. Noveni Dres - Dunmer Sorcerer, Lieutenant. Marìnus - Imperial Warden, Veteran. Arvyn Indoril - Dunmer Templar, Sergeant. Rósalyn - Breton Sorcerer, Corporal. Emelîn - Bosmer Dragonknight, Corporal. Astaroth Indoril - Dunmer Sorcerer.1
