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robpr✭✭✭✭✭
✭Try to do that with 40% increased damage taken (Thrassian) and 2k health per second that you can only heal yourself in actual raid.
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kaithuzar✭✭✭✭✭
✭actually the 100% uptime of major prot could be achieved with a veil of blade rotation like it was done in the first trial groups 5years ago...
combine such a rotation with swallow soul, siphoning attacks, a source of minor lifesteal and this could be the golden age for magblades xD
I doubt it.
5 years ago we had “dynamic ult gen”,
Possibly even lower cost?
The most likely scenario is anything that could give us an edge will be nerfed before live...this patch is still ~2 months away.Member of:
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Folks, it was with a never ending uptime of Bat Scion in the new house and you will explode instantly with Thrassian Stranglers in the real world.
This is a purely theoretical parse that will never exist in any real scenario or outside of this house with a dummy to be exact.
Apart from the immense damage you will suffer, Trassian Stranglers are removed when you enter a loading screen and when you die.
Vampire dps is not overpowered or even viable in real scenarios with the current drawbacks.Auri-El is my lord,
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LukosCreyden✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Target dummy parse?
Basically worthless already, but doing it in the house that gives you perma-scion?
I feel like this post only exists to generate salt, or is a poorly-conceived troll post.
Also, I just realized, the Vampire self-buff spell is going to be used in every dummy parse from now on, making them even more inaccurate and worthless than they already are.Struggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.1 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »Target dummy parse?
Basically worthless already, but doing it in the house that gives you perma-scion?
I feel like this post only exists to generate salt, or is a poorly-conceived troll post.
Also, I just realized, the Vampire self-buff spell is going to be used in every dummy parse from now on, making them even more inaccurate and worthless than they already are.
Nah when they’re posted to trial discords people will have to do real parses. Cheesed parses didn’t fool anybody before, they won’t now.1 -
Septimus_Magna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its fun to cheese the hell out of the dps parse but rule number 1 is that a dead DD deals no dps.
The health drain of Simmering Frenzy on top of only be able to self-heal will make it completely useless in most cases. It is a very strong buff but I think it should reduce healing taken by 50-75% for example, in raids there is much random damage so not being able to be healed makes it useless.
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
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That is as cheese as a cheese parse can get, dummy is useful, but it also gets people talking about things they do not understand.
For one, that parse was achieved with the new mythic gloves, which increase your damage taken by 40 % at full stacks, so basically a fart will kill you.
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Septimus_Magna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭For one, that parse was achieved with the new mythic gloves, which increase your damage taken by 40 % at full stacks, so basically a fart will kill you.
The mythic gloves are not that bad of a trade-off, its basically trading your red CP for 3000 spell damage and you can remove stacks whenever you want by crouching. So if you can avoid most damage and have good healers you'll could run this in a dungeon or trail.
The use of Simmering Frenzy makes it a lot harder to stay alive, the health drain is pretty significant and you have to heal yourself.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »For one, that parse was achieved with the new mythic gloves, which increase your damage taken by 40 % at full stacks, so basically a fart will kill you.
The mythic gloves are not that bad of a trade-off, its basically trading your red CP for 3000 spell damage and you can remove stacks whenever you want by crouching. So if you can avoid most damage and have good healers you'll could run this in a dungeon or trail.
The use of Simmering Frenzy makes it a lot harder to stay alive, the health drain is pretty significant and you have to heal yourself.
Yes, you could actually run that set if you are good.
It's a very high skill ceiling set which i personally kinda like.
But you have to be a good player to handle the drawbacks.
It's an interesting set, but really damn strong potentially if you can survive.
Although i find it funny that they want to reduce the skill gap, and then introduce a set like this. Like, just be honest, you are not interested in that, that's fine, just make cool stuff.
Edited by JinMori on April 22, 2020 12:02PM2 -
Septimus_Magna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »For one, that parse was achieved with the new mythic gloves, which increase your damage taken by 40 % at full stacks, so basically a fart will kill you.
The mythic gloves are not that bad of a trade-off, its basically trading your red CP for 3000 spell damage and you can remove stacks whenever you want by crouching. So if you can avoid most damage and have good healers you'll could run this in a dungeon or trail.
The use of Simmering Frenzy makes it a lot harder to stay alive, the health drain is pretty significant and you have to heal yourself.
Yes, you could actually run that set if you are good.
It's a very high skill ceiling set which i personally kinda like.
But you have to be a good player to handle the drawbacks.
It's an interesting set, but really damn strong potentially if you can survive.
Although i find it funny that they want to reduce the skill gap, and then introduce a set like this. Like, just be honest, you are not interested in that, that's fine, just make cool stuff.
Yeah, completely agree. Light attacks are almost nerfed into the ground to reduce the skill gap and sets like this make it to the PTS. Maybe there are different views regarding skill gap and balance but things like this will only make the difference between casual and godslayer players bigger. Its not a dps difference that you'll make up for with a non-perfect vMA staff.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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Kolzki✭✭✭✭✭The problem is that we will find ways to use these items and skills. By moving attribute points into health I can stack 30k health and still hit 10k+ more dps than I do on live. That’s without running the vampire buff skill and on a class that I never play.
The damage gain is high enough that we will find builds to mitigate the extra damage taken. It wont be the full cheesy dummy setup but people will find something that’s usable.0 -
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ZeroXFF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »For one, that parse was achieved with the new mythic gloves, which increase your damage taken by 40 % at full stacks, so basically a fart will kill you.
The mythic gloves are not that bad of a trade-off, its basically trading your red CP for 3000 spell damage and you can remove stacks whenever you want by crouching. So if you can avoid most damage and have good healers you'll could run this in a dungeon or trail.
The use of Simmering Frenzy makes it a lot harder to stay alive, the health drain is pretty significant and you have to heal yourself.
Yes, you could actually run that set if you are good.
It's a very high skill ceiling set which i personally kinda like.
But you have to be a good player to handle the drawbacks.
It's an interesting set, but really damn strong potentially if you can survive.
Although i find it funny that they want to reduce the skill gap, and then introduce a set like this. Like, just be honest, you are not interested in that, that's fine, just make cool stuff.
The difference is, this set is not promoting mindless clicking, it's promoting reactive gameplay, making you pay attention to the environment and making you put some thought into how you want to react, and when you have to do it. This certainly does not help reduce the skill gap, but it sure as hell makes it a better design, because with these gloves "skill" means split-second decision making, not robotic clicking every second. And it also allows mediocre players to have the same baseline as the top players, because on a dummy there is nothing stopping you from getting full advantage of these gloves, and the difference in skill is only shown in the encounters.0 -
Kolzki✭✭✭✭✭My back of the envelope calculation places the damage bonus from the gloves at over 1.6x stronger than a full set of perfect siroria. You could pair it with a full tank set and still massively increase your damage output.0
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Kolzki✭✭✭✭✭Actually it’s probably stronger than that. I’d be concerned for pvp too. The spell damage also buffs healing and the thought of it in zergs is nasty.0
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Skullstachio✭✭✭✭✭I’m surprised that parse didn’t use Perfected Scion, because stage 5 vampirism that has all benefits, with no drawbacks feels like the greater alternative in terms of resource management, that and better eligibility in group content when built specifically to cater with mechanics.If you see me anywhere. Know that I am sitting back with a bag of popcorn, watching as ESO burns the goodwill of its player base with practices that only disrespects the players time like it did to me and many others...
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Foxic✭✭✭✭✭Everyone seems to be forgetting that while some top groups may make use of the gloves in some trials/bosses. You need to get killing blows to proc the item, so it'll be very hard to stack for yourself in a trial group. Not to mention that the buff goes away when you die or rezone so you can't pre proc them before a trial starts.
Further everyone is using the vampire toggle which hurts you but gives you spell damage which is totally fine on a dummy but I imagine only the very top % of players will be able to use it in a raid without dying.
All of the parses you've been seeing so far are people putting on some OP week 1 pts gloves and killing 20 precursors in their house before doing a parse to see what cheese they can achieveMechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The problem is that we will find ways to use these items and skills. By moving attribute points into health I can stack 30k health and still hit 10k+ more dps than I do on live. That’s without running the vampire buff skill and on a class that I never play.
The damage gain is high enough that we will find builds to mitigate the extra damage taken. It wont be the full cheesy dummy setup but people will find something that’s usable.
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Sinolai✭✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »Share the parses? I'm curious; people seem to be sceptical because of the cost increase vampire line brings. Seems like the situation is opposite if people parse so high with vamp.
The spammable is vampire ability with 100% crit chance in execute, so you actually benefit from the high vamp stage ( = redicculously cheap and powerful spammable)0