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Thank the divines!!! I didn't like the changes, and I'm happy I can still play in the fast-paced way I like and have practised in for a long time. However, I do hope they can find another way to breach the skill gap, because that will be healthier for the game as a whole. Hopefully one that doesn't say 'your effort is wasted', and one that helps players by essentially teaching them. I think the problem is not just the APM, weaving, etc., it's not like good players have learned that overnight, and have not spent countless hours in target dummies and in live instances; it's that the tutorial the game offers to new players does very little in preparing them for the game. Combined with the fact that the content is vast, a casual player will probably forget the tutorial pretty fast while tackling with all new things like crafting, questing, the events, etc., and when it's time to kill something more difficult than an overland mob, they will be in trouble, because combat is complicated, and the tooltips are not enough. Only a small percentage of these players will go on to look at guides and a smaller one will go on to create a build and practice it, and the majority will have trouble when it comes to playing in dungeons and trials. Things like enchantments for armour, proper buff foods, stamina-magicka dps dichotomy, etc., which may seem as a given for vet players, are strange concepts for a lot of players, and messages in the loading screens are not a sufficient means of teaching someone about these things. There are many talented game guide creators and creators of addons that help with combat, out there, so I think if the devs take a leaf out of their book, and create tutorials throughout different facets of the game (they could even be like a separate mini game) it would go a long way in breaching the skill gap, without punishing/not rewarding effort, and having a happier playerbase overall.

Awesome news!

DustyWarehouse wrote: »

If you don't animation cancel, you're gimping your DPS. If you don't light-attack weave, you're gimping your DPS. If you don't animation cancel or light-attack weave, you are either a player who suffers from ZOS' inability to teach core combat mechanics, or you're actively choosing to gimp your DPS.

Or maybe you're someone who can't do those things for whatever reason, or simply choose not to. People here always act like these things are so easy to pick up but if that were the case I honestly doubt so many people would have a problem with it. Everyone likes to claim the people who have a problem with weaving or AC are just lazy or whatever, but almost no one actually stops to consider that there really are people who just can't do it, or who simply don't even care because they're a casual player who don't want to have to click their mouse key a hundred times a second to have decent DPS.

That being said, this didn't affect me either way when I was testing it. I didn't notice much of a change between how I normally play and changing things for HA doing damage and LA restoring resources. About the only thing I noticed was sustain on my WW Redguard was a lot better, especially in WW form, which was nice.

Arunei wrote: »

Or maybe you're someone who can't do those things for whatever reason, or simply choose not to. People here always act like these things are so easy to pick up but if that were the case I honestly doubt so many people would have a problem with it. Everyone likes to claim the people who have a problem with weaving or AC are just lazy or whatever, but almost no one actually stops to consider that there really are people who just can't do it, or who simply don't even care because they're a casual player who don't want to have to click their mouse key a hundred times a second to have decent DPS.

I hadn't factored people who physically cannot do it in my response, so thank you for highlighting that. Even without animation cancelling and light-attack weaving, one can achieve good enough DPS that will be fine for the majority of content in the game. Only in end-game content does this become a problem, which wouldn't affect the casual player since they are unlikely to be part of a score-pushing raid team.

If a player is physically able, knows about it, but still chooses not to AC/weave, that's on them and I don't like the idea of raising the skill floor for this reason alone. I definitely don't like the idea of lowering the ceiling since that punishes those who have put in time and practice. There should always be a skill gap, since that is what creates a sense of progression. Is it too wide? Maybe. Becoming a master with relatively little to no effort isn't healthy for the game, but becoming competent shouldn't be difficult either, which is why I mentioned ZOS' shortcomings when it comes to teaching players the core mechanics of combat.

I will say one thing, I have always thought it was unintuitive that a heavy attack would restore stamina. I'm pretty sure most people who come to the game have this reaction initially.

The changes were more intuitive. If you are tired and worn out, an inability to perform attacks that are more damaging makes sense.

I was kinda looking forward to it, only because it would completely change meta and the sets that you might equip. A massive reshuffle is something that ESO needs. I was eyeing my Sunderflame set, for instance.

I'm still annoyed they even spent time on the idea when performance is so bad along with many many skills bieng useless now. I.e dots.

One thing that was good from the pre-PTS cycle, was having all LA/HA damage scale from your highest offensive stats (regardless of the weapon type). That change should stick and go live imho, as it just opens up weapon choice diversity and builds. Particularly in PVP.

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I can't thank Zos enough for listening to the majority of the community and reverting those awful changes. I hadn't any hope that they would, but I was pleasantly wrong. Thank you for letting me be able to enjoy the game as I know it, Zenimax, if even only until the next onset of mayhem. At least I'll be able to enjoy Greymoor.

Very happy to hear this.

The concept wasn't bad but the execution did not satisfy the stated goals and also had unintended consequences.

If they try again down the line hopefully it will be a better iteration and follows some of the feedback they got from it this time around.

Irfind wrote: »

So No

- scaling light and heavy attacks with your highest resource ( no 2H for my MagDK , no daggers for my Magblade)
- removal of the move speed penalty of heavy attacks for staffs and bows
- Reduced channel time for destruction staff and bows

Thx to all the whiners

Damn I was looking forward to this. Guess I don't get to do anything competitive on my mageblade since will be messing around on him the most again with vamp changes.

I like Codes idea.

Light attacks should do less damage and restore stamina. Heavy attacks should do more damage and use stamina.