bmnoble wrote: »

Why do you think the Alliance locked campaigns are so popular?

Don't really follow, the boosting I see is on unlocked?

Edit: sorry I get you, I.e. folks prefer locked to get away from da cheats, yep read you.

That's all legal.
Also, "Alliance Hopping" for real? Some people take PvP too serious, just let them play how they want and where they want. Not like there is a lot going on in other Campaigns than the locked 30 Day...🤦🏻‍♀️

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hasi wrote: »

That's all legal.
Also, "Alliance Hopping" for real? Some people take PvP too serious, just let them play how they want and where they want. Not like there is a lot going on in other Campaigns than the locked 30 Day...🤦🏻‍♀️

Yeah for real.
How about when behaviour messes up the game for others?
Especially on noCP where new PvPers come to play, and they see people earning millions of AP doing shady stuff. So they have to beat em or join em. How about when boosters harras folks interfering with their gainz? Still cool by you?

Why should we 'let people play how they want' of they aren't doing the same.

Anyhoo, it's clear where your stance is and I ain't getting into an online morality debate I'm asking the question. Is it legal and legit, or will ZOS act.

What has Alliance Hopping to do with bad behavior? And why bring harassment into such an argument, when it literally has nothing to do with Alliance Hopping itsself, but rather with a personality trait?
Also, doing shady stuff? Am I and many other PvE Players supposed to be banned, because we choose our Alliances without a real thought and simply try to earn the first Reward Rank for Crystals?

Another question, what do you think are people doing with the AP? Selling them over eBay? Very likely not, as they are barely worth a thing. They do it to get their Campaign Rewards or Emperor/Empress. The unlocked Campaigns are so unpopular, that they'll have to fake action for anything to be going on there.

PS: I answered your question. If you want to know so badly, read the TOS and decide neutral whether it really matches or not.

Kadoin wrote: »

Don't like it, don't crown them. Too bad that takes a lot of dissent in a faction to get done when there is nothing but PvDoor.

They don't want crown nor fight for it lol. They happy with underdog bonus

Obvious collaboration in flipping has gotten people banned/penalized in the past, as when there was coordinated flipping at Bleakers and Blackboot on PC/NA.

If you can catch players in the act of AP boosting via getting their friends to suicide to them at resources or something similar, its certainly reportable.

Merely logging onto one alliance to flip the map then swapping to the other alliance to flip the map back...that's just business as usual on a low pop unlocked campaign. The solution to that is to faction lock the campaign, and ZOS seems to prefer giving players at least the option to have an unlocked campaign even if they do participate in flipping the map/Emperorship.

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Beardimus wrote: »

hasi wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

hasi wrote: »

That's all legal.
Also, "Alliance Hopping" for real? Some people take PvP too serious, just let them play how they want and where they want. Not like there is a lot going on in other Campaigns than the locked 30 Day...🤦🏻‍♀️

Yeah for real.
How about when behaviour messes up the game for others?
Especially on noCP where new PvPers come to play, and they see people earning millions of AP doing shady stuff. So they have to beat em or join em. How about when boosters harras folks interfering with their gainz? Still cool by you?

Why should we 'let people play how they want' of they aren't doing the same.

Anyhoo, it's clear where your stance is and I ain't getting into an online morality debate I'm asking the question. Is it legal and legit, or will ZOS act.

What has Alliance Hopping to do with bad behavior? And why bring harassment into such an argument, when it literally has nothing to do with Alliance Hopping itsself, but rather with a personality trait?
Also, doing shady stuff? Am I and many other PvE Players supposed to be banned, because we choose our Alliances without a real thought and simply try to earn the first Reward Rank for Crystals?

Another question, what do you think are people doing with the AP? Selling them over eBay? Very likely not, as they are barely worth a thing. They do it to get their Campaign Rewards or Emperor/Empress. The unlocked Campaigns are so unpopular, that they'll have to fake action for anything to be going on there.

PS: I answered your question. If you want to know so badly, read the TOS and decide neutral whether it really matches or not.

You clearly don't know much about PvP, if you think Alliance points are worth 'barely a thing' also you reference campaign rewards. Lol. You need 25k for crystals, and not much more for Tier 3. You don't need multiple millions.

To refer to this, because I can neither be bothered to argue, especially as you seem very biased.

1 AP is about 4 gold worth, that's my latest stand, which isn't a lot.(PS4) You don't need AP to buy most things, unless a favored item shows up at the Golden. And very often you are only able to buy them yourself and not through others, which lessens the worth of AP aswell.

Just because I personally prefer PvE, duo to me using to spend most of my time in PvP back then, it doesn't mean that I have no clue. Cheers.

I too can't be bothered, but your points were missing mine. They have valuable both tangible and intangible (else why would people boost?)

And whilst they are tied to other things, it impacts how others play.

It sounded like part of your point was why should I care if someone wants to farm a useless currency.. my response is it's not useless but also I don't really care about it's tangible value and thus an impact to markets, I can about its impact to those players impacted..

Thus complex answer and neither of have the energy so we can agree to disagree (cept I think you aren't disagreeing, you are answering a point I wasn't making)

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Beardimus wrote: »

hasi wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

hasi wrote: »

That's all legal.
Also, "Alliance Hopping" for real? Some people take PvP too serious, just let them play how they want and where they want. Not like there is a lot going on in other Campaigns than the locked 30 Day...🤦🏻‍♀️

Yeah for real.
How about when behaviour messes up the game for others?
Especially on noCP where new PvPers come to play, and they see people earning millions of AP doing shady stuff. So they have to beat em or join em. How about when boosters harras folks interfering with their gainz? Still cool by you?

Why should we 'let people play how they want' of they aren't doing the same.

Anyhoo, it's clear where your stance is and I ain't getting into an online morality debate I'm asking the question. Is it legal and legit, or will ZOS act.

What has Alliance Hopping to do with bad behavior? And why bring harassment into such an argument, when it literally has nothing to do with Alliance Hopping itsself, but rather with a personality trait?
Also, doing shady stuff? Am I and many other PvE Players supposed to be banned, because we choose our Alliances without a real thought and simply try to earn the first Reward Rank for Crystals?

Another question, what do you think are people doing with the AP? Selling them over eBay? Very likely not, as they are barely worth a thing. They do it to get their Campaign Rewards or Emperor/Empress. The unlocked Campaigns are so unpopular, that they'll have to fake action for anything to be going on there.

PS: I answered your question. If you want to know so badly, read the TOS and decide neutral whether it really matches or not.

You clearly don't know much about PvP, if you think Alliance points are worth 'barely a thing' also you reference campaign rewards. Lol. You need 25k for crystals, and not much more for Tier 3. You don't need multiple millions.

To refer to this, because I can neither be bothered to argue, especially as you seem very biased.

1 AP is about 4 gold worth, that's my latest stand, which isn't a lot.(PS4) You don't need AP to buy most things, unless a favored item shows up at the Golden. And very often you are only able to buy them yourself and not through others, which lessens the worth of AP aswell.

Just because I personally prefer PvE, duo to me using to spend most of my time in PvP back then, it doesn't mean that I have no clue. Cheers.

It's not really about the "worth" of AP. There's not enough AP sinks for legit players as it is.

AP boosting tends to be harmful when it impacts legitimate contenders for Emperorship. It's incredibly discouraging to compete against boosters.

Coordinated flipping of objectives, though very rare, undermines the whole point of combat and PVP, so ZOS stomps on it when it happens.

Flipping the map for AP/Emp tends to be harmful to the health of the campaign...which is kinda YMMV. Many players don't care about the campaign and just want to hop on and take stuff. The current unlocked campaigns are ideal for that sort of playstyle, particularly at low pop when there's little opposition. ZOS experimented with making all the campaigns locked and seems to have decided that players ought to have the option to play on an unlocked campaign, even though it means increasing behaviors of flipping the map/emp.

I would be interested to know how ZoS views Imperial City Assassins. For example if someone calls players of a different alliance to dispose of competition/farmers of your own alliance.

evoniee wrote: »

system prevent kill same target over and over, you not getting any AP when killing same target for some time

What the system doesn't prevent is getting a D-tick from killing the same target at an objective, which is how boosting works.

Haquor wrote: »

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Beardimus wrote: »

hasi wrote: »

That's all legal.
Also, "Alliance Hopping" for real? Some people take PvP too serious, just let them play how they want and where they want. Not like there is a lot going on in other Campaigns than the locked 30 Day...🤦🏻‍♀️

Yeah for real.
How about when behaviour messes up the game for others?
Especially on noCP where new PvPers come to play, and they see people earning millions of AP doing shady stuff. So they have to beat em or join em. How about when boosters harras folks interfering with their gainz? Still cool by you?

Why should we 'let people play how they want' of they aren't doing the same.

Anyhoo, it's clear where your stance is and I ain't getting into an online morality debate I'm asking the question. Is it legal and legit, or will ZOS act.

Its legal.

You can kill what you want. And be killed by what you want.

I dont see why a new player coming to pvp is forced to 'beat em or join em' cause some other player is doing something shady apparently and earning millions of AP.

Like... pvp is the combat. If youre playing just for the AP reward and not for the actual combat then i guess you can get all butthurt that someone has more stuff than you? New players all wqnt Emp i guess.

Harrasment is a different matter and that can be reported. If it is legit something might even be done. If its legit.

It's not just about combat. We have BG for that. Some of us like the campaign tactics and actually where there's smaller pop (thus decent small scale) it's healthy of all alliances are vying for Emp.

If someone is 10 million AP up a week in it tends to go stale..and fights for Emp or big defences are where some of the fun is at.

I don't.care about how much stuff they have. I care about the .impacting score boards and killing pop in a campaign as folks lose interest. And the can't beat them.commemt is how on earth does a low CP player try for Emp if it's not Ravenwatch.

If Ur cool with boosting, that's fine. I'm not and just wanna know the deal..

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VaranisArano wrote: »

evoniee wrote: »

system prevent kill same target over and over, you not getting any AP when killing same target for some time

What the system doesn't prevent is getting a D-tick from killing the same target at an objective, which is how boosting works.

I am pretty sure that if the guy comes back shortly after he got killed the first time, the D-tick will be super low. At least that's how it works for ressources... so there is a built in regulation.

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Haquor wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

hasi wrote: »

That's all legal.
Also, "Alliance Hopping" for real? Some people take PvP too serious, just let them play how they want and where they want. Not like there is a lot going on in other Campaigns than the locked 30 Day...🤦🏻‍♀️

Yeah for real.
How about when behaviour messes up the game for others?
Especially on noCP where new PvPers come to play, and they see people earning millions of AP doing shady stuff. So they have to beat em or join em. How about when boosters harras folks interfering with their gainz? Still cool by you?

Why should we 'let people play how they want' of they aren't doing the same.

Anyhoo, it's clear where your stance is and I ain't getting into an online morality debate I'm asking the question. Is it legal and legit, or will ZOS act.

Its legal.

You can kill what you want. And be killed by what you want.

I dont see why a new player coming to pvp is forced to 'beat em or join em' cause some other player is doing something shady apparently and earning millions of AP.

Like... pvp is the combat. If youre playing just for the AP reward and not for the actual combat then i guess you can get all butthurt that someone has more stuff than you? New players all wqnt Emp i guess.

Harrasment is a different matter and that can be reported. If it is legit something might even be done. If its legit.

Nicely said, that's something PvDoor potatoes dont realise...they swarm Cyro for the AP instead for good fights.

Weird retort. They swarm for AP? My exact point is there isn't that much AP in quiet camps, for those not boosting.

As for 'good' fights. I don't consider rolling about in zergs with lag either 'good' fights or fun..small scale is where it's at for many. And also noCP is where you ca .help grow guildmates..anyone can zerg surf in Grey Host

I can't say anything on whether it is or is not against TOS. But it should be. In the cases where people funnel AP to one player to boost them on the ladder it's defeating the purpose of the game and gives an unfair advantage over players that play by the rules, just like exploiting does.

I want to make it clear that I am against artificial blockades, such as locked campaigns, to enforce this as it also negatively impacts the players that play on multiple alliances but do know how to behave and don't ruin the fun for others. If someone has evidence on someone else funnelling alliance points to a player on a grand scale (not just killing your friend 100 times in the IC Arena for the achievement as a one time thing, but having your whole guild line up and let themselves be killed over and over again), then that should be reportable. The same goes for giving Volendrung to the enemy or taking your own alliance's scrolls for a swim with the slaughter fishes.
It's a different matter on how to obtain proof of these things happening...

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Beardimus wrote: »

hasi wrote: »

That's all legal.
Also, "Alliance Hopping" for real? Some people take PvP too serious, just let them play how they want and where they want. Not like there is a lot going on in other Campaigns than the locked 30 Day...🤦🏻‍♀️

Yeah for real.
How about when behaviour messes up the game for others?
Especially on noCP where new PvPers come to play, and they see people earning millions of AP doing shady stuff. So they have to beat em or join em. How about when boosters harras folks interfering with their gainz? Still cool by you?

Why should we 'let people play how they want' of they aren't doing the same.

Anyhoo, it's clear where your stance is and I ain't getting into an online morality debate I'm asking the question. Is it legal and legit, or will ZOS act.

Boosting is out of control in locked and unlocked campaigns....

My smallscale group were taking the map and the leaderboard. Then without warning, another player we knew as a boosting scrub jumped drastically ahead.

We asked a friend of ours that is not into those lowly tactics to check it out. And sure enough he had a bunch of his friends from different guilds just standing there while he killed them at a resource. They even had a camp set up near by to keep the AP rolling in.

Is it against TOS ?? ZOS has called it creative thinking. Of course, I can think of another word instead.

@Beardimus it all depends how people want to win. I would rather earn it. IG some people are fine with being boosting scrubs, rather then actually having to PVP

I think it should be a punishable offense in certain cases without a doubt. That is up to ZOS and so far they don’t seem to care about fair play.

I did enjoy burning the camp though

Until Zos does something about it, enjoy killing them and playing the game when it works

Spot on bud, that's the kinda shiz I'm talking about.
I guess for me people abusing trader scam for gold got banned, people abusing trials or mechanics to get clears got banned. Arguably it's against fair use to literally burn thru tens of millions AP in a campaign, ruin it for others and have no recourse..

You are right, I crack on, but I wanted to vocalise it..and clearly as with anything on a forum, the people that want to do it will defend it here .

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xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Is it against TOS ?? ZOS has called it creative thinking. Of course, I can think of another word instead.

Do you have a reference for this? Did they in fact address it in the past some time?

Hi @Dusk_Coven they did, I beleive it was mid year mayhem 1. Active boosting..
Yet MYM2 they seemed to turn a blind eye..

They also made changes to AP to prevent that type of boosting BUT D Ticks with underdog bonus is a way round it.