1mirg wrote: »

So yeah. Honestly, if you want to play the "rogue" type of playstyle then I think it's best to just find another game.

Zos dont care about nbs, dont u realize it yet? Try out other classes. You can lvl up one rly fast, Double xp next days. Dk is easy mode, i can tell. I have all classes maxed out, nb is the weakest one, no doubt.

I think the rouge style should exist. I just imagine how awesome Nb can be in the Bloody Warrior or Wizard archetype, for example reworked Lifesteal + Dual Wield(or another weapon) or magStealer and etc. Probably to keep the Rouge style, devs need a redesign Dark Cloak (+changing the animation, adding Major Lifesteal instead of Minor protection, adding Radius, adding new properties for Lifesteal, which I described on the first page, changing the cost of a spell on health), insignificant passives and some insignificant active skills, so that the Rouge style does not get out of control and got a small buff through modified passives.

Suligost wrote: »

Some of new vampire skill line matches my new idea of NB but okay, im not gonna insult anybody...

Just want to say on top that they gonna have hell with nerfing and buffing it over and over again since everyone will have access to it.

Also too much magicka, magicka players dont stack health besides, psijic already has masss CC, NB has his crappy CC and hypnosis is another crappy CC for magicka.

I mean im not crying but kinda dissapointed with outcome and as for nightblade... well how I said REWOOOOOOOOORK (and bye bye cloak defenders).

I just looked at the new Vampire it's really something impressive, the animation is amazing. In my opinion, if Devs combine Life steal + the cost of spells from health, we get a very cool kit for Nbs. Also, using spells whose cost is health for Rouge can be dangerous, so it can refuse to do so and and it won't get out of control.

If Devs could do this and leave the Lifesteal effect with an AoE option, with numbers adjustments so that it doesn't become overpowered it could open up a new platform for Healersblade, which in turn would become particularly identical. It would also be a buff for the Undaunted guild and Wardens(they are Jacks of all trades) that Minor Lifesteal can use. In the case of Nb, it could be Major Lifesteal.

Gilvoth wrote: »

looks like the main goal of this thread is asking the devs to delete invisibility skill, and cloak.
i hope that NEVER happens.
i love stealth playstyle, if you dont like stealth play style then please play another class instead of destroying the skill cloak and stealth for those of us that love cloak and invisibility and stealth.
cloak is fine, leave it alone.

This, I love the solo, stealth fast moving style of this class.

If I wanted something else i would play something else

Faded wrote: »

Or they could take the cast times off NB ultimates, buff magblade's melee-range skills, and let nightblades be nightblades.

Crazy idea, I know.

Nah, they can't let classes actually have identities supported by strong unique abilities that no one cares if they're powerful because every class has its own powerful abilities. That nonsense won't be tolerated here!
/s

Vermintide wrote: »

It's magblades who need help, but honestly they don't need a LOT of help- They just need their skills to actually work. Stamblades seem to be doing just fine as far as I can tell- There's just a lot of terrible players trying to make Skyrim stealth archers. A well played Stamblade can still rack up crazy killcounts.

Imho. the only reason stam nb is in a better spot is because we have a lot of weapon / guild / world stamina based abilities to use, instead of our class skills. As far as I can tell, I only use literately ONE nb skill on my build. And that is in PvP....

That one skill... if ZOS nerfs it or changes it or removes it - I am switching to Necro or Warden vamp.

The identity of NB is fine. And they would never remove the iconic archetype of stealthy assassin. And I also think they should not. But of course the NB could be so much more:

- stealthy assassin
- blood mage/brawler (could do alot more with health costs and stuff)
- dark templar (looking at AoC)
- leech healer (looking at old TSW)
- shadow trickster (to buff, bolster)

They should not remove invisibility but make the concept better. Maybe use self synergies and certain trigger conditions on other skills to get low invis frames so that chaining it actually needs player skill and combos instead of spamming one skill. And if they combine that with a confusion window on NPCs and skills that have different effect depending on invis or not, there would be actually a use in PVE, too. Even a confusion tank would be possible.

Same thing for the other trees. Siphoning could feel a lot more leechy, needing enemy targets to heal or steal buffs and have an aggressive healing style. Shadow could feel more group bolstering, position based, maybe line of sight breaking (in pvp and pve).

The current NB identity is fine.It has so many cool possibilities! They just need to use them!

Zos, should separate PvE and PvP abilities from game.
Cloak ability, are useful for PvP content but when it comes to PvE it's considered useless to a large degree... I mean, the whole invisibility is useless for a PvE content in general.

They need to give a bonus damage for the ultimate skill while using stealth to make them useful. Also, they need to make a stamina version of cloak as well and remove that healing morph of cloak.
Instead, they could make swallow soul in the siphoning tree, as a spammable healing ability on single targets.

Ambush needs an overhaul...it's buggy as in beta stages. Also, it can replace cloak for the user, as the user will be in cloak state as soon as they use the skill on a target.
This will give gameplay variety to players and
they will start using the skill more often, provided the ultimate skill soul harvest and it's morph gets a boon while in stealth like the damage is done by a 200%.

Lastly, suprise attack needs to be in the Assassination skill tree, while Mirage needs to go to shadow skill tree..

To counter it, is by slotting magelight. It will reduce damage from stealth attack by 200%, it also, regenerates magik or stamina continuesly by 5%. A toggable skill.


Edit: veil if blades ultimate, shouldn't be a ground ultimate. It should follow the user...
Also, it does physical damage to its targets while it's morph does magicka damage..
And the radius as increased.
The animation would produce a 1000 blades from below the surface to target, while the user spreads it's arm sideways to drop it's weapons down to initiate the skill. ( Mostly pre-made knives from the oblivion)

It's a useful DPS skill for AoE situations. So, the Ult cost will be 50 or even less provided the number of mobs it hits like the ultimate gets filled up quickly with more targets around.

Soul tether, should do zero damage but provide healing on targets and if more mobs are around it stuns them and heals the rest of the party by 200%,
while it's morph, makes the user resistant to damage, knockbacks, stuns and cleanses the user from dot damage. It does stun its targets..it's duration is increased if more mobs are around...it scales on health resources..

Edit2:
Siphoning attacks: a toggable skill. It increases the user stamina or magicka recovery by 5% ( morph).
It also, coverts the physical damage weapon like 2 handed swords, bows into magicka weapon and staffs into stamina weapons.
This effect is permenant as long as the skill is slotted in any bar for its a toggable ability..
And regain resources while hit targets for x%.
Edit3:
With that the psijic skill tree that elemental weapons will make the 2 handed weapon and it's skills use magicka instead of stamina, basically converting the physical weapon and it's abilities into magicka likewise it's morph does the same for staff weapons..
This skill is also toggable.

Also, this skill will be in the first slot of the skill tree...like as soon as you join the psijic order, you get imbue weapons in your list..
The imbue weapon just overhaul your physical weapon into magical without overhauling the ability cost of the physcial weapons. It's more does the overhaul of its abilities as well.
So, a mage CAN use a Bow or 2 handed weapon and still kill targets with huge DPS numbers likewise a Warrior can use a staff as a 2 handed weapon and destroy their enemies... ( The disease damage will get converted to magicka and the flame/frost/lightning will get converted to poison/physcial/disease damage

Like
Flame = Poison,
Frost = Physical,
Lighting = disease)

I love how for over the year nothing changed. Templars and sorcs got reworked a bit. Every class gets some adjustments but NB's recieve only nerfs and wierd changes.

Class lost it's identity completly both stam and magicka versions (stamina at least has better options in generic skill lines while magcika is doomed to its subpar class skills.

Nighblade has worst execute that nobody uses, mass hysteria is still far behind turn evil, crystal frags > assasins will, ambush/lotus fan has so slow animation that its easier to simply sprint after your target than try to use gapcloser, shadow image < streak (which is shadow image, fear and aoe spamable in one) or BoL (which is shadow image, wings, and RAT in one) and on top of it recent changes to invisibility made cloak completly unreliable in close distance.

Currently, the class is in such a bad state that it doesn't even have a single skill that doesn't have a better equivalent in generic trees or in another class arsenal. NB has nothing that other classes don't do better.

No thank you. I created my nightblades as ranger or assassin type characters, characters of stealth and speed and shadow — not blood mages. My mag blade rip life essence from her enemies — she is not spilling her own.

I’m all for reverting nerfs to core classes, but not making them over into something else. Besides, abilities using one’s own life force are already plenty in necromancer.

Destai wrote: »

Personally, the necromancer feels way different and seems like a different fantasy entirely - they're a mix of a deathknight, minion master, and some weird dark healer/shaman.

A friend told me stamina necromancer feels like a battlemage, something people have been requesting for years.

Ironic it would be the stamina spec, but we're long past pretending stamina = warrior and magicka = mage. Stamina = mage that gets to use weapons.