Unofficial Feedback thread for the Vampire Lord Ult+ Revamped Vampire Skill Line Reveal!

Saelent · March 2020

Universe wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

Unnatural movement will be pure cancer in PvP. It's not enough that Stam meta and tank meta is destroying competitive play, now all the tanks with 7k weap dmg will also be able to just run away and become invisible trolls instead of just tower trolls.

There have to be some sort of drawbacks of this.

There is an high chance that PVP combat balance will only get worse when this new vampire skill line will be released.
Sadly, I expect that it will remain highly unbalanced for at least 3-6 months following the release.

Well it looks to me like they might be trying to balance it out by the ability cost weakness. When a vampire is at the fullest of power their non vampiric abilties actually will cost more and we don't know the numbers yet on that.

I hope so.
The last thing PVP needs right now is more unbalance.
It is already bad enough with the current combat balance issues & poor performance.

Rather than trying the neuter the vampires before they’re even out on PTS, how about you see how it plays? Maybe ask for the other imbalances to be sorted first? Even if vampires don’t get changed at all because of the complaints, there will still be imbalance in pvp.

This is why so many changes are bland and pointless.

MaskedHuman · March 2020

the only problem I have is they removed bat swarm... an ult that I always use in pvp to win my fights for almost 3 years now. just gone and replaced by a *** vamp lord transformation

Noxavian · March 2020

MaskedHuman wrote: »

the only problem I have is they removed bat swarm... an ult that I always use in pvp to win my fights for almost 3 years now. just gone and replaced by a *** vamp lord transformation

Well you're in luck!!!!!! The bat swarm ult is still a part of the new ultimate if you bothered to watch any of the videos.

MaskedHuman · March 2020

Noxavian wrote: »

MaskedHuman wrote: »

the only problem I have is they removed bat swarm... an ult that I always use in pvp to win my fights for almost 3 years now. just gone and replaced by a *** vamp lord transformation

Well you're in luck!!!!!! The bat swarm ult is still a part of the new ultimate if you bothered to watch any of the videos.

I did watch the video, and the bat swarm they have on one of the morphs only deal damage, I want devouring swarm, the one that actually is usable and heals you depending on targets hit.

kaisernick · March 2020

I do not want the afliction to be seen through a skin, its bad enougth already that our current characters look like meth aditcs the higher there stage but if this new form is visable through skins it will *** of a lot of players.

Noxavian · March 2020

MaskedHuman wrote: »

Noxavian wrote: »

MaskedHuman wrote: »

the only problem I have is they removed bat swarm... an ult that I always use in pvp to win my fights for almost 3 years now. just gone and replaced by a *** vamp lord transformation

Well you're in luck!!!!!! The bat swarm ult is still a part of the new ultimate if you bothered to watch any of the videos.

I did watch the video, and the bat swarm they have on one of the morphs only deal damage, I want devouring swarm, the one that actually is usable and heals you depending on targets hit.

You do realize that while in vampire lord form all of your dmg heals you, yes? You have 100% lifesteal with all spells. Which includes....ding ding you're right, the bats swarming around you!

MaskedHuman · March 2020

Noxavian wrote: »

MaskedHuman wrote: »

Noxavian wrote: »

MaskedHuman wrote: »

the only problem I have is they removed bat swarm... an ult that I always use in pvp to win my fights for almost 3 years now. just gone and replaced by a *** vamp lord transformation

Well you're in luck!!!!!! The bat swarm ult is still a part of the new ultimate if you bothered to watch any of the videos.

I did watch the video, and the bat swarm they have on one of the morphs only deal damage, I want devouring swarm, the one that actually is usable and heals you depending on targets hit.

You do realize that while in vampire lord form all of your dmg heals you, yes? You have 100% lifesteal with all spells. Which includes....ding ding you're right, the bats swarming around you!

then that's gonna be just as useless as deep breath in pvp, it heals for 100% of damage done, but guess what? even if you had 10+ players on you it'll heal you for about 6k even on the highest damage buiild.
devouring swarm had a different heal that procs more the more people you hit. all pvpers know that anything that heals based off of damage done is absolutely useless, like renetless/merciless from nb, and deep breath/draw essence from magdk.

I guess we will see how it is when it comes on the PTS cycle

Anhedonie · March 2020

Looks pretty terrible.

Noxavian · March 2020

Anhedonie wrote: »

Looks pretty terrible.

Yup, sounds about right.

kaisernick · March 2020

Over all this is pretty bad, players asked for lords not to have weapons like necro, they ignored, they have asked for the stages to look less ugly they iugnored and made it so skins no longer hide the apperance (the exact oppisate anyone wanted) they remove the stam+mag regain.

I really do hope they make changes to the first two at least as i have a feeling we may acctually see a lot less vampires around if this goes live.

Canned_Apples · March 2020

Lol. Guess I won’t be missing much. Somehow zos manages to make this game less appealing with each update.

Paradisius · March 2020

I'm really excited for the vampire changes! Eviscerate and Blood Frenzy while not what I had in mind, sound like very interesting skills. Blood Scion is an interesting spin on the Vampire Lord as we know it, the necro ult like usage is a bit off putting but I am excited for this regardless!

Noxavian · March 2020

kaisernick wrote: »

Over all this is pretty bad, players asked for lords not to have weapons like necro, they ignored, they have asked for the stages to look less ugly they iugnored and made it so skins no longer hide the apperance (the exact oppisate anyone wanted) they remove the stam+mag regain.

I really do hope they make changes to the first two at least as i have a feeling we may acctually see a lot less vampires around if this goes live.

a vampire lord using a little sword and staff looks so epic doesn't it?

Man I love having a re-skin of an ability that already exists too!

TX12001rwb17_ESO · March 2020

@Thevampirenight , I told you how many times and you refused to listen, the Vampire Lord form is a Godlike Vampire form of the Volkihar Clan obtained by Harkon when he sacrificed 1000 souls to Molag Bal, any other Vampire Lord would be a descendant of his Bloodline, it is a type of Vampire which is probably far more powerful then even a Lich and way to powerful for the Vestige to possess, at most the vestige can channel the power of a Vampire Lord kind of like how the mask of Alkosh channeled the power of a Dragon or how the Amulet of Kings channeled the power of the God but that did not actually make you into a God now did it.

What do you have to say for yourself now?

xxthir13enxx · March 2020

Cool...Interesting....Awesome....

Cost increase for all regular skills....

Oh.....huh....well....guess will have to see how this plays out than....

Kolzki · March 2020

Why does vampire stage one have blood dripping from its neck? They should really talk to a doctor if they bleed whenever they’re hungry.

illiobro_ESO · March 2020

I’m excited for a lot of it but I feel like they should go further with the blood scion to make it as cool as the werewolf transformation. You know how the werewolf can summon a bunch of wolves? Well the vampire lord should summon a gargoyle. Should also be able to feed to make the form last longer! Also upgraded vampire abilities in Blood Scion form to replace your weapons!

Coatmagic · March 2020

kaisernick wrote: »

Over all this is pretty bad, players asked for lords not to have weapons like necro, they ignored, they have asked for the stages to look less ugly they iugnored and made it so skins no longer hide the apperance (the exact oppisate anyone wanted) they remove the stam+mag regain.

I really do hope they make changes to the first two at least as i have a feeling we may acctually see a lot less vampires around if this goes live.

^ all of this bleh
keep on killing it ZoS
well done?
what a mess.

pma_pacifier · March 2020

Seems like a overall buff to magicka classes especially with all that damage increase, survival tools etc. New proposed changes going forward does not seem to have any consideration and awareness of huge pvp impacts and imbalances with the kind of skills they are putting on the table.

I’m here before people complain magsorcs become even more unkillable AND harder hitting with these vamp skills.

NinchiTV · March 2020

Big buff to mag builds, mist form and hypnotize is so needed for my mag necro.

Noxavian · March 2020

Coatmagic wrote: »

kaisernick wrote: »

Over all this is pretty bad, players asked for lords not to have weapons like necro, they ignored, they have asked for the stages to look less ugly they iugnored and made it so skins no longer hide the apperance (the exact oppisate anyone wanted) they remove the stam+mag regain.

I really do hope they make changes to the first two at least as i have a feeling we may acctually see a lot less vampires around if this goes live.

^ all of this bleh
keep on killing it ZoS
well done?
what a mess.

The fact that, as a big lord of the night, Im sitting there with long claws as sharp as daggers and instead of using that I choose to wield actual daggers.

Like....what? I thought the obvious add-on to this ult was to be able to have 2 different play styles. Use the swap-weapon key to switch between a melee loadout and a magicka one. Or at the very least, give us some magic Overload-sorc-like heavy/light attacks that dont use our weapon.

This is the equivalent of someone using their staff/sword in Overload to fire the lightning balls.

Vevvev · March 2020

New vampire ult form's appearance feels like a placeholder. Wonder if that's really what they're going for with the Xivkyn look or do they plan to make a female version of it or even a beast race version. I know I was begging for a different look than the vampire lord but not a re-skinned asset of a polymorph with some wing things bolted on

Runefang · March 2020

I suppose the good thing is I no longer have to be a vampire in PvE.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · March 2020

Runefang wrote: »

I suppose the good thing is I no longer have to be a vampire in PvE.

Oh but it gets better, being a Vampire now comes at severe costs, if you want to embrace Vampirism your going to have to live with far more expensive non-Vampire abilities.

Infact there is a good idea on how to BUFF Nightblades, their attacks are Blood Magic and what are they not? maybe because of that they should not be effected by this penalty that the other classes would have to suffer.

It would seem fair given the other classes can now use Invisibility and such.

Now Werewolves need a few buffs here and there, maybe have it so they have a chance to transform with full-stats if their health drops below a certain point regardless of how much ultimate they have.

Vevvev · March 2020

Also in that one video that showed off the vampire's appearance I feel like the whole "Getting covered in blood" thing is a bit stupid. They could have gone with many better ways of showing off the different stages and reworked the appearance but instead they went with that idea....

TX12001rwb17_ESO · March 2020

Vevvev wrote: »

Also in that one video that showed off the vampire's appearance I feel like the whole "Getting covered in blood" thing is a bit stupid. They could have gone with many better ways of showing off the different stages and reworked the appearance but instead they went with that idea....

What is this whole covered in blood thing? I did not see it.

Yamenstein · March 2020

Thannazzar wrote: »

OK really quite disapointed.

Passives seem OK ish although turning into a bat swarm rather than invisible after sprinting for x seconds would have been a better risual effect. Unless your planning this as a bat swarm transform mount in which case rock on.

As to active powers...

Making powers cost health is going to be bloody obscene with titan born set.

Evicerate : should cause bleed rather than magic damage, morphs should scale damage or crit chance based on vampire stage not health loss.

Blood Frenzy; should be a gain wd/sd for each bleed effect on an enemy. With the existing morphs and no health cost. The inability to be healed by others is penalty enough, though only being healed by vampire abilities might be a better approach to prevent broken self heal or heal over time builds

Drain; looks fine although Sap Will might be better than Brain Drain as a name.

Mesmorise and morphs look fine.

Mist looks fine.

Blood scion.... Meh
Love the see life-force through walls element though.

Whats missing;

Bat swarm transformation, as a mount speed, gap closer or sprint variant.

Summon Bat's as a ranged bleed dot or bolt attack.

Just my 2 crowns

Too many bleeds with your idea. Not a fan. Werewolves already cater for stamina players.
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Kiyakotari · March 2020

Very disappointed that the female character model still appears to turn into a male body form with the Stage 5 morph. This is a consistent theme in ESO's transforms - there are a number that make all characters that use them appear male, but none that make all characters that use them appear female. It should (and easily could) vary depending on the base sex of the toon.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · March 2020

Kiyakotari wrote: »

Very disappointed that the female character model still appears to turn into a male body form with the Stage 5 morph. This is a consistent theme in ESO's transforms - there are a number that make all characters that use them appear male, but none that make all characters that use them appear female. It should (and easily could) vary depending on the base sex of the toon.

Well your not turning into a Vampire Lord, your just harnessing the power of one and taking on their likeness kind of like the Dragon Aspect Shout in Skyrim or the Take Flight Ability here where the Dragonknight sprouts a pair of wings.

That does not make them a Dragon now does it.

idk · March 2020

thedoc1381b14_ESO wrote: »

Awesome thx for the info. I'm excited to see the changes!!!

I agree. It is good that Alcast and Dottz have provided this info for us to see. Good previews.