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That meme is pretty hilarious tbh. Do you mind if I borrow it?Edited by Noxavian on April 1, 2020 5:16AM1 -
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Not talking about the blood scion form. He is saying that he was always for the vampire *feeding* changes, when he wasn't. It's a lie to push his statement.
Other than that though, that meme is pretty funny and I feel like it fits hilariously well.
[Snip], you know exactly when I said that, I would prefer a Vampire be stronger by feeding and that is what we expected to get, not this crap where we lose all our natural healing and our normal abilities cost 20% more when we should be at our strongest, ask yourself, are we really stronger by feeding with such a pentalty? I would prefer the starving to be stronger methods we have right now compared to these changes.
At least they make sense as to how it works.
Also the Blood-Scion looks terrible, you expected a Vampire Lord didn't you, at least I will sympathize because I know how disappointed you must be, why does it have horns? is it related to a cow? either way I will not be using it and might not even bother with half the new passives, what use is Strike from Shadows for a Stamina Build anyway.
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✭✭[Snip], you know exactly when I said that, I would prefer a Vampire be stronger by feeding and that is what we expected to get, not this crap where we lose all our natural healing and our normal abilities cost 20% more when we should be at our strongest, I would prefer the starving to be stronger methods we have right now compared to these changes.
At least they make sense as to how it works.
Also the Blood-Scion looks terrible, you expected a Vampire Lord didn't you, at least I will sympathize because I know how disappointed you must be, why does it have horns? is it related to a cow? either way I will not be using it and might not even bother with half the new passives, what use is Strike from Shadows for a Stamina Build?
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Actually you know what, you're right. Now I feel like *** ngl.
That was 100% my bad. I confused you for one of the others that I clashed with a ton back when a few people were really vocal about the feeding changes.
Apologies @TX12001rwb17_ESO, I know when to admit I'm wrong. Sorry man. I'll edit my comments.Edited by ZOS_Volpe on April 1, 2020 8:40PM0 -
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✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
[Snip], you know exactly when I said that, I would prefer a Vampire be stronger by feeding and that is what we expected to get, not this crap where we lose all our natural healing and our normal abilities cost 20% more when we should be at our strongest, I would prefer the starving to be stronger methods we have right now compared to these changes.
At least they make sense as to how it works.
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Well I don't know about this but I think feeding won't just take you to stage two appearance but it takes multiple feedings maybe to look more monsterous. I'm hoping that is what it is. The more you feed the more gorely you look the more grey you look till finally it switches to stage two appearance maybe it does the same cycle. That would be very neat if they did it this way. It would also allow me to keep the stage one look!
I think this is hinted at in this video and the poster had this to say in the youtube comments section.
You can see at the start of the video, my character looks pretty normal apart from having red eyes.
After feeding, veins start appearing, and the more I fed the more grey my whole skin tone got. Later on I also noticed blood on the face, or bits of gore on the clothing too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiqRCaG8XVM
In the video she still looks stage one with blood on her cloths so maybe just maybe vampirism won't be as bad as you think. This can also explain the grey look on the other video. I don't think its a skin I think its how the vampirism progresses and if so I would really really love this change as that means I can feed and avoid going all sith lord if I wanted to. That even makes me really want to test these changes myself or see them for myself. Hope that Greymoor pts comes next monday.Edited by ZOS_Volpe on April 1, 2020 8:37PMPC NA
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Noxavian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
[Snip], you know exactly when I said that, I would prefer a Vampire be stronger by feeding and that is what we expected to get, not this crap where we lose all our natural healing and our normal abilities cost 20% more when we should be at our strongest, ask yourself, are we really stronger by feeding with such a pentalty? I would prefer the starving to be stronger methods we have right now compared to these changes.
At least they make sense as to how it works.
Also the Blood-Scion looks terrible, you expected a Vampire Lord didn't you, at least I will sympathize because I know how disappointed you must be, why does it have horns? is it related to a cow? either way I will not be using it and might not even bother with half the new passives, what use is Strike from Shadows for a Stamina Build anyway.
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Also yes, I can agree with you immensely about the Blood Scion. I didn't see your edit when making my last response so I'm just making another. I expected it to at least look similar to what we've seen, not this trash. I would of been fine with a variation of a vampire-lord-like look, or heck even something completely 100% different. If it looked good. Right now it just looks bad man. Honestly, I would of been fine with the "vampire lord" Form the NPCs currently have in game. You know, that gargoyle looking thing. At least it looks cool.
I'm immensely disappointed.
Also what's up with the morphs? The bat swarm morph I can kinda get, sure. But the night lord one? Why does it only get rid of the negative effects of vampirism? That seems like such a weak morph for an ultimate, doesn't it?
Could you agree that if they remove/change some of the negatives the 'new' vampire will give (aka skill cost) that they should change this morph to be something else? Something a bit more creative.Edited by ZOS_Volpe on April 1, 2020 8:38PM1 -
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Also yes, I can agree with you immensely about the Blood Scion. I didn't see your edit when making my last response so I'm just making another. I expected it to at least look similar to what we've seen, not this trash. I would of been fine with a variation of a vampire-lord-like look, or heck even something completely 100% different. If it looked good. Right now it just looks bad man. Honestly, I would of been fine with the "vampire lord" Form the NPCs currently have in game. You know, that gargoyle looking thing. At least it looks cool.
I'm immensely disappointed.
Also what's up with the morphs? The bat swarm morph I can kinda get, sure. But the night lord one? Why does it only get rid of the negative effects of vampirism? That seems like such a weak morph for an ultimate, doesn't it?
Could you agree that if they remove/change some of the negatives the 'new' vampire will give (aka skill cost) that they should change this morph to be something else? Something a bit more creative.
This blood-scion looks terrible and is just a necro-ult reskin, it even has the same necromancy visuals, it is almost as if this is little more then a necromancy mimicry spell which i strongly believe it is going off of both it's appearance and what they said a while back about Lamae Bal's Bloodline can harness other Vampire abilities.
We are not Vampire Lords, at best we are mimicking them and taking on their likeness such as a Dragonknight can take on the likeness of a Dragon by sprouting wings or how the Dragon Aspect shout allows the Dragonborn to take on the likeness of a Dragon.
Personally I am happy that we are not Vampire Lords as that at least keeps their reputation intact, leave that power to the Dragonborn, the Vestige is already a Mary-Sue and quite honestly does not diverse anymore power, what I would do for a transformation would be a much more simple one and that is a Blood Form similar to what the Tremere Clan can do in VTM:Bloodlines where you turn into Blood
As for the one we are getting though with the removal of weaknesses at stage 5..
Stage 1 = Few Strengths and Few Weaknesses
Stage 2 = More Strengths and More Weaknesses
Stage 3 = Many Strengths and Many Weaknesses
Stage 4 = Great Strengths and Great Weaknesses
Stage 5 = Massive Strengths and No Weaknesses?
Should massive strengths not have massive weaknesses? by removing them It breaks a pattern and then it makes no sense at all, why even call it stage 5 when it functions nothing like a stage 5 should?Edited by ZOS_Volpe on April 1, 2020 8:38PM0 -
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✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
This blood-scion looks terrible and is just a necro-ult reskin, it even has the same necromancy visuals, it is almost as if this is little more then a necromancy mimicry spell which i strongly believe it is going off of both it's appearance and what they said a while back about Lamae Bal's Bloodline can harness other Vampire abilities.
We are not Vampire Lords, at best we are mimicking them and taking on their likeness such as a Dragonknight can take on the likeness of a Dragon by sprouting wings or how the Dragon Aspect shout allows the Dragonborn to take on the likeness of a Dragon.
Personally I am happy that we are not Vampire Lords as that at least keeps their reputation intact, leave that power to the Dragonborn, the Vestige is already a Mary-Sue and quite honestly does not diverse anymore power, what I would do for a transformation would be a much more simple one and that is a Blood Form similar to what the Tremere Clan can do in VTM:Bloodlines where you turn into Blood
As for the one we are getting though with the removal of weaknesses at stage 5..
Stage 1 = Few Strengths and Few Weaknesses
Stage 2 = More Strengths and More Weaknesses
Stage 3 = Many Strengths and Many Weaknesses
Stage 4 = Great Strengths and Great Weaknesses
Stage 5 = Massive Strengths and No Weaknesses?
Should massive strengths not have massive weaknesses? by removing them It breaks a pattern and then it makes no sense at all, why even call it stage 5 when it functions nothing like a stage 5 should?
Stage five seems to be a state beyond traditonal vampirisim that gives the vampire full access to its power set without draw back. But its exclusive to the Night Scion Form by the looks of it.
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✭✭Thevampirenight wrote: »
Stage five seems to be a state beyond traditonal vampirisim that gives the vampire full access to its power set without draw back. But its exclusive to the Night Scion Form by the looks of it.
But you gotta admit the morph is pretty boring.
With the name "Night Scion" I'd expect it to do something really cool, you know? Like summon "creatures of the night" to fight for you while in it. Like a couple death hounds or even one really big gargoyle.Edited by ZOS_Volpe on April 1, 2020 8:40PM2 -
XomRhoK✭✭✭✭✭I did some comparison screenshots from this youtube video.
First height/size of the new Blood Scion ultimate from this part of video. At this screenshots you can see two parallel transformations, human NPC transforms into werewolf, and simultaneously player transforms from Blood Scion to regular form. So you can clearly compare all form with each other, also you can use cart as a landmark scale.
Player's Blood Scion form is huge as it now.
Second height/size of Blood Scion NPC from this part of video, it is regular NPC, not boss or something, act same as werewolf NPC. At first part of screenshot NPC the moment before transformation, at the second part the moment after.
NPC in Blood Scion form have more adequate size, but still to big in my opinion.
I think player's Blood Scion form is unacceptably huge, NPC Blood Scions look closer to acceptable state for me, but still, i hope both, player's and NPC's, forms will be scaled to be in line with curent werewolf form size.1 -
Noxavian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I did some comparison screenshots from this youtube video.
First height/size of the new Blood Scion ultimate from this part of video. At this screenshots you can see two parallel transformations, human NPC transforms into werewolf, and simultaneously player transforms from Blood Scion to regular form. So you can clearly compare all form with each other, also you can use cart as a landmark scale.
Player's Blood Scion form is huge as it now.
Second height/size of Blood Scion NPC from this part of video, it is regular NPC, not boss or something, act same as werewolf NPC. At first part of screenshot NPC the moment before transformation, at the second part the moment after.
NPC in Blood Scion form have more adequate size, but still to big in my opinion.
I think player's Blood Scion form is unacceptably huge, NPC Blood Scions look closer to acceptable state for me, but still, i hope both, player's and NPC's, forms will be scaled to be in line with curent werewolf form size.
I really hope the blood scion form looks more like the NPCs! I think that looks really cool.3 -
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There will be riots.
Many people will have bought skins specifically to hide vampirism.
I didn't pay real money for any, but I did spend free gems on 2 for that purpose.
I bought Arctic Rime for gems too, solely for my vampires.0 -
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✭✭✭✭The whole point of vampirism for PvE was the extra regen, tanks (partially) and thieves aside. That's out the window now.
And I'll be very surprised if the numbers wind up looking good for tanks.
So vampirism looks like it will be for PvP, for thieves, for RPers, and perhaps for PvE DDs.Edited by FrancisCrawford on April 1, 2020 9:19PM0 -
XomRhoK✭✭✭✭✭I'd prefer the model of main antagonist vampire, which they showed at Greymore announcement video. At this screenshots his horns almost invisible and this makes him look even cooler for me.
Another good comparison of Blood Scion ultimate size and possibility to see Blood Scion with good lighting, from this video. At first two parts of screenshot you can see comparison in sizes with exact same camera angle, at third part of screenshot camera already in differrent position, because of adjustment to the appeared Blood Scion model.
Once again, i prefer model of main antagonist, but without horns. Leave the horns to main antagonist, like symbol of his royalty and power, but, please, ZOS remove them from player's model, because with horns he start to looks more like Xivkyn or demon and less like vampire. Also i prefer his minimalistic armor, rather when armored NPC version or curent state of Blood Scion ultimate, in current state Blood Scion looks more like battle demon, not like vampire lord. And, ZOS, get rid of this unnecessary glowing red eyes and blue flame/smoke that go from Blood Scion ultimate form.
Edit: When first videos were posted, i think, @Noxavian mentioned that he think that Blood Scion are just a shadow. This is because Blood Scion can see enemies through walls, so outlines of all enemies are always visible, and this creates an effect that Blood Scion transparent. Screenshot from this video.
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✭✭✭✭What is funny is they may of made the Vampire magic oriented but the looks transformation looks like it would be physically stronger then the werewolf due to the size of it alone.
Also from that second picture from the post above, i can tell you that this looks nothing like a Vampire Lord so for those calling it that, it is not so just STOP, it is a Blood Scion, it has no Wings, no Claws, it does not appear to have a back-toe either which implies it likely cannot pick up with it's foot and fly off with you, well even if it did it would not beable to do that anyway, it has no wings.
Even those Black Shadowy wings are merely to represent a Bat and are not actual wings.0 -
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✭✭I'd prefer the model of main antagonist vampire, which they showed at Greymore announcement video. At this screenshots his horns almost invisible and this makes him look even cooler for me.
Another good comparison of Blood Scion ultimate size and possibility to see Blood Scion with good lighting, from this video. At first two parts of screenshot you can see comparison in sizes with exact same camera angle, at third part of screenshot camera already in differrent position, because of adjustment to the appeared Blood Scion model.
Once again, i prefer model of main antagonist, but without horns. Leave the horns to main antagonist, like symbol of his royalty and power, but, please, ZOS remove them from player's model, because with horns he start to looks more like Xivkyn or demon and less like vampire. Also i prefer his minimalistic armor, rather when armored NPC version or curent state of Blood Scion ultimate, in current state Blood Scion looks more like battle demon, not like vampire lord. And, ZOS, get rid of this unnecessary glowing red eyes and blue flame/smoke that go from Blood Scion ultimate form.
Edit: When first videos were posted, i think, @Noxavian mentioned that he think that Blood Scion are just a shadow. This is because Blood Scion can see enemies through walls, so outlines of all enemies are always visible, and this creates an effect that Blood Scion transparent. Screenshot from this video.
Thanks for the comparisons! Also dear god those wings still look absolutely horrible tbh. Now that I see the model in better lighting, it isn't so bad, but PLEASE those wings are horrid....2 -
VoidCommander✭✭✭✭✭Looks like magicka dps will finally get some options to compete with stam dps. Good to see they worked in some healthy checks and balances with the cost increases. Time will tell if these vampiric drawbacks will be sufficient or will make vampire unplayable. Personally, I think 10% cost increase would be the highest that anyone would realistically be able to manage.1 -
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✭No more passive magicka regen and NON-VAMPIRE abilities cost more?!?
No more skins hiding vampirism (which is the whole reason I bought them)?!?
Not really worth a hohum looking vamp lord form and some actives no one will ever use outside solo RP.
I hope they balance things a bit because as it stands these two things are deal breakers for me, esp. the skins.
I mean how is that not a total bait and switch? DO they do things like this on purpose? WHY?
I guess the new feeding animations are cool for solo RP purposes as well, but that is not really why people play MMO's.
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Spriggen✭✭✭Just want to put this out there.
Awesome work on the screenshots regarding the Night Scion. From what I have seen, the Night Scion will have the "body" of the Vampire Lord's we have been seeing from concept art but everything else about it just seems off.
- The size for one. Just comes across like a Bone Goliath.
- Form a Lore prospective, it looks like we will still be apart of Lamae Bal's blood line. I am cool with that and we will have our own "vampire lord" so make it unique.
Also, it would be cool if perhaps depending on the stage of vampirism, the higher the stage, the longer we can be in Scion form.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Why does it have such giant feet? anyone else notice that, it also does not have wings and no the Bat Scion does not count, they are shadows of Bat Wings on the ultimate which surrounds you with Bats.
This alone makes the Blood Scion inferior to a Vampire Lord because it cannot fly and why does it have horns?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The horns feel sooooooooo off.... wings too but everyone mentions those every other post. It really does need a facelift to make it look more vampiric and a removal of all ((or some)) of the flashy effects so it doesn't feel like a work in progress placeholder.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK2 -
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✭Not being able to use a skin is trash. 20% cost increase to non vamp skills is trash. And why do you look more like an undead when you drink fresh blood? Blood should make you look like your natural self because you are putting blood in your body.3 -
Ozium✭✭✭think the morph is fuggy and oversized, otherwise updated skills are nice. need to adjust the numbers some ...Edited by Ozium on April 2, 2020 6:14AM0
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Garethjolnir✭✭✭✭As for the vampire lord ultimate, I really dislike the idea of the "shadow" wings. They should be proper, physical wingsViele grüße aus Germany. Neu Heimat.0 -
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✭✭Garethjolnir wrote: »As for the vampire lord ultimate, I really dislike the idea of the "shadow" wings. They should be proper, physical wings
Yeah, apparently the wings on them atm are just literally DK's dragon wings but all shadow-y
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Agreed, it does look way better and if they add a female version to that'd be something else.
Uhm i think that's a FalmerPC EU no CP PVPEP Irfind - Stam NB DunmerSpoilerEP Iswind - Mag Warden DunmerEP Ko'runa Silberklaue - Mag Temp KhajiitEP Eldrid Hagal - Mag DK DunmerEP Feyne R'is - Stam Sorc Dunmer ...with BowEP Wynn Loraethaine - Mag NB DunmerAD Runare Loraethaine - Stam Sorc AltmerAD Skadi Hagal - Stam DK Khajiit0 -
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Uhm i think that's a Falmer
no. That's literally not a Falmer. It looks nothing like a falmer. It's wearing vampire-lord-like clothes and metal armor and is huge.
It's a Blood Scion. Somewhere on this thread there is a video of a vampire NPC turning into one.
It's even doing some sort of life-drain effect in the picture.Edited by Noxavian on April 2, 2020 7:28AM0 -
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I mean if they wanted to standardize things they got the New Moon Acolyte set which increases abilities costs by 5% in exchange for 481 spell and weapon damage! I mean that's an acceptable debuff for a lot of power. Not 20% which is overkill. Like if I was a stage 4 vampire on my MagDK suddenly my Coagulating blood ability would jump from 3,536 to 4,296.
And yes I did the calculations with my Breton passive that reduces the cost by 7%. If I was not a Breton it'd be 4,562 magicka to cast. That's just a single ability and its crazy how much 20% actually is when you do the math.
Overall its not looking good.
Edit: And I just realized that's with 6 pieces of light armor reducing the cost by 12%. I feel sorry for any tanks that are running running heavy armor.
NMA is a 5pc bonus so you should compare it to other 5pc bonuses.
Compared to Hundings Rage/Julianos, you get 481-300=181 weapon/spell dmg for 5% cost increase.
Thats a pretty big sacrifice if you ask me.
You can use vamp skills and stay in stage 1 so you dont necessarily get a massive cost increase for non-vamp skills.PC - EU (AD)SpoilerSeptimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
Septimus Rulanir - Orsimer Templar
Septimus Desmoru - Khajiit Necromancer
Septimus Iroh - Dunmer Dragon Knight
Septimus Thragar - Dunmer Nightblade
Septimus Jah'zar - Khajiit Nightblade
Septimus Nerox - Redguard Warden
Septimus Ozurk - Orsimer Sorcerer0
